Mega Thread 2019 List Management, Free Agency & Trade thread #2

[tacopavlich]

Haha seems people can even be twincist these days.
Does every person need to get offended by everything these days?

Not everyone, just mostly people that aren't cis, white or male.

 

[Taylor]

One future 2nd imo

Hill and the Melb future second for Hill, 12, 18

..and their first next year

 

[ImperialPurple]

..and their first next year

Yeah, missed that part oops

 

[ImperialPurple]

Not everyone, just mostly people that aren't cis, white or male.

Or straight, or middle class

 

[arsesmart]

He also just said they can't afford to pay hill

They're just not being creative enough on that one. Brayshaw's salary would be part and then make May take a haircut to fund the rest. Front load Hill's deal while May serves his penance.

 

[mike91]

Finally, a well spoken Freo supporter who effectively gets the message across

Dwaynee of course, conveniently lets that one through to Barlow

Did you hear Dwayne ark up about an hour or so ago? Came across.....well came across for what he is, a flog

 

[Vimal Anand]

Now we're enquiring as part of the Hill deal.

you mean a 3 way trade like melbourne get 18 or 13(bulldogs) saints get hill and freo get 12 + brayshaw?

 

[showemhowtorock]

In the end, I would be stoked with 12-13 and given I know we arent getting their future 1st since they seem to think they are entitled to Ben King then 12 and 13 is the only scenario I see playing out that we are happy with.

Think it will happen and we'll have 4 first round picks this year from the top 15 where picks 3-15 are a deadheat

Will be a good result

12,13 and acres for Hill and future second, who wins?

think acres could flourish learning from Fyfe and Mundy as opposed to Stuv and.... their other midfielders?

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

12,13 and acres for Hill and future second, who wins?

think acres could flourish learning from Fyfe and Mundy as opposed to Stuv and.... their other midfielders?

We win, Acres effectively decent steaknives. Deals 100x better than 6 and a future 3rd.

With Saints chucking Acres into every deal it does seem likely he’ll be involved

 

[Alfonz]

can someone ELI5 how this points/bidding system works?

if the Saints give us 12 and 13 and the Henry bid comes in at say 11, what happens to those picks?

I believe we take Henry and pick 12 slides back to pick 55. The latter pick covers the points surplus of #12 over (#11 minus 20%).

 

[Admiral Byng]

Well, I for one am glad we got at least one trade done.

 

[mike91]

I believe we take Henry and pick 12 slides back to pick 55. The latter pick covers the points surplus of #12 over (#11 minus 20%).

Highly doubt Henry goes before #12.

 

[Rob]

Again, this is very speculative. If our backyard is our strength then it should also be our strength to compare it with the SA and VIC potential and pick accordingly. I personally feel the top end talent suited to our list's needs are rated to be from outside WA (with WA's strength being the volume of that next tier down). Subjective, yes, but one qualified by far more experienced eyes than mine or yours.

It's those same experienced eyes that have pretty much failed in their drafting over the last 10-15 years or so. our first round drafting especially has been terrible, and our recruiting out of Melbourne (but for a couple of VFL mature agers in Barlow and Ryan) has been abominable.

I'll say this again because it's so important.
We are not going to outsmart all Melbourne clubs in drafting Melbourne kids.
We were so arrogant thinking we could that we based our head recruiter out of Melbourne. Madness. And it predictably failed.

 

[Arcassius]

Well, I for one am glad we got at least one trade done.

I would've been happy if we got no trades done and we signed up Langdon

 

[fnerd]

Not everyone, just mostly people that aren't cis, white or male.

Ah yes of course !

I again apologise for everything bad that’s ever happened to anyone anywhere

 

[ChimpaWompa]

please get hill on trade radio

we'll be drowning in first and 2nd rounders if he starts whinging about the Saints promises

 

[Superkoops]

In the end, I would be stoked with 12-13 and given I know we arent getting their future 1st since they seem to think they are entitled to Ben King then 12 and 13 is the only scenario I see playing out that we are happy with.

Think it will happen and we'll have 4 first round picks this year from the top 15 where picks 3-15 are a deadheat

Will be a good result

Im ok with the deal but your relying a lot on Bulldogs giving up pick 13.

I’m assuming 18 lined up for Ryder/Howard. St Kilda are ponying you a big and long term contract for Doogie Howser MD so have said we’ll have first round thanks.

Also I’m still concerned that 12 will get burned by either of the clubs between 8 and 11 on Henry. I’ll post Separately another scenario which I think works and they keep 2020 first and we stay out of the danger zone.

 

[YippeeYiYeo]

Sorry for the intrusion just wanted to say well done to Bell and Freo for not buckling to media pressure from Barrett and the other pricktorians who think you should let Hill go back to Melbourne despite being contracted. If its alright for Geelong to hold Kelly to his contract when he obviously wanted to return to WA, then its fair game WA teams do the same if they are not offered market value for gun players.

**** the Vic bias.

 

[LeGresham]

yep spot on Joao, reckon its 1.

It's not 1. You will never get 2 firsts for Brad Hill. He will probably stay at freo

 

[Jake_Pizzuto]

It's not 1. You will never get 2 firsts for Brad Hill. He will probably stay at freo

Thanks.

 

[Kapow!!!]

It's those same experienced eyes that have pretty much failed in their drafting over the last 10-15 years or so. our first round drafting especially has been terrible, and our recruiting out of Melbourne (but for a couple of VFL mature agers in Barlow and Ryan) has been abominable.

I'll say this again because it's so important.
We are not going to outsmart all Melbourne clubs in drafting Melbourne kids.
We were so arrogant thinking we could that we based our head recruiter out of Melbourne. Madness. And it predictably failed.

Fair point and I agree with that much. But due dilligence still needs to be paid to those potential high draft choices based interstate. Though I don't think that much needs to be stated.

Where we will disagree is that this draft is an instance where the top talent is WA based. Happy to be wrong, but I truly think stacking up on teen picks is wasted value this year.

 

[salim malik]

It's not 1. You will never get 2 firsts for Brad Hill. He will probably stay at freo

Hope so .
Hill must think the Saints are liars and charlatans.
Will any player ever trust the Saints again

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Im ok with the deal but your relying a lot on Bulldogs giving up pick 13.

I’m assuming 18 lined up for Ryder/Howard. St Kilda are ponying you a big and long term contract for Doogie Howser MD so have said we’ll have first round thanks.

Also I’m still concerned that 12 will get burned by either of the clubs between 8 and 11 on Henry. I’ll post Separately another scenario which I think works and they keep 2020 first and we stay out of the danger zone.

I reckon we would have to be damn unlucky to have a bid on Henry from 8 to 11.

18 should be going to Port for Howard & Ryder - more than fair given they are pushing both of them out.

Bulldogs need Bruce, and they cant go into next year. They'll have to break up 13 I think, they can do it while banking some points for next year

 

[Superkoops]

Saints can easily get this done.

First play is to dangle 18 and Stevens or 18 with Bruce for 13 or 14 with Dogs or Geelong and also receive pick 32 or 37.

They’ll then be armed with 12 and 13 or 12 and 14 + pick 32 or 37.

From there it unfolds.

Problem being Wells was on the trade radio interview panel saying 37 isn’t on the table for Stevens. I’d say they relent and agree to 37, maybe 36 at best but no way Wells goes yep we’ll give you a four pick upgrade in addition to 36 or 37. Maybe a 1 pick upgrade to from 18 to 17 but that is also unlikely considering it is Wells we’re taking about.

Bruce is some chance to give up 13 & 32 for 18 but Saints would need to give a later pick back because alone that is pick 23 which is a little too high for mine.

Then how do the Sainters get Doogie Howser??

 

[Kapow!!!]

Sorry for the intrusion just wanted to say well done to Bell and Freo for not buckling to media pressure from Barrett and the other pricktorians who think you should let Hill go back to Melbourne despite being contracted. If its alright for Geelong to hold Kelly to his contract when he obviously wanted to return to WA, then its fair game WA teams do the same if they are not offered market value for gun players.

fu** the Vic bias.

Honestly, unless we're lining up other trades I'd hope Bell is on the next plane home. His job is done as far as Hill is concerned. Impetus is on St. Kilda to come up with suitable value.

Spot on about the glaring hypocrisy though. Geelong were cannonized, we've been fired at with cannons for exactly the same thing.