List Mgmt. 2019 Trade Thread - Part III

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That fact that Dal couldn't bite his tongue and openly agreed/argued that we were being screwed with the Jack Steven trade tells me we have every right to feel screwed over.
It hasn't happened yet nothing to feel screwed over about yet
We all say how shit T. Wallet and the likes are and that they know nothing and then listen to them and complain about what they say
 

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Pretty much what I said about a week ago. Still think we might get slightly more for jack. I actually think bruce is vital to our set up and that is why I’m pi**ed off losing for around that pick. Choice of Bruce or Jones which seems a straight swap. I’m going bruce every time. We are going to be upset with jones kicking. It’s very ordinary

Yup I’m not a fan of Jones but I think he takes Newnes’ spot in the 22 so at least he’s an upgrade.

Hill for Acres is also an upgrade.

Ryder for Bruce we downgrade our forward line however it’s an upgrade in our ruck department. Not to get into a debate regarding Marshall playing more minutes forward but it could be a master stroke. If Marshall adds forward craft to his rucking ability he is a genuine star of the competition.

Gray for Parker or Long is an upgrade.

With the suggested trades we are making incremental improvement.

Add 20 games out of Hanneberry & the potential of Max King & we are seeing more significant improvement.

At least we are doing something & trying to improve. That’s better than standing still after 8 shizen years.
 
Aren’t we screwing ourself. We are the ones trading him.
not that simple due to the circumstances and you know that.

But suggestions today that we will only get around pick 60 AND pay a large part of his salary are absolutely ridiculous.
We should either get him completely off the books for a lousy pick or get a decentish pick and pay part of his salary.
 
You know what I love. People on here underselling our players.
There are calls that suggest J Daniher will command 2 first round draft picks. 2 first round draft picks for a bloke that has barely played in 2 years.
And yet the same pundits suggest that Bruce is only worth a 2nd or 3rd rounder.
Why would the Dogs put a lucrative 4 year deal in front of him if he was shit?
Let's put it like this if Keath is worth Pick 13 then Bruce is the same if not more.
Bruce is contracted and as such if the Dogs want him then they need to pay for him.
 
It hasn't happened yet nothing to feel screwed over about yet
We all say how s**t T. Wallet and the likes are and that they know nothing and then listen to them and complain about what they say
I always get a good laugh about how these paid experts still don't understand how the Carlisle trade worked four years later.
It's great entertainment value.
 
Yup I’m not a fan of Jones but I think he takes Newnes’ spot in the 22 so at least he’s an upgrade.

Hill for Acres is also an upgrade.

Ryder for Bruce we downgrade our forward line however it’s an upgrade in our ruck department. Not to get into a debate regarding Marshall playing more minutes forward but it could be a master stroke. If Marshall adds forward craft to his rucking ability he is a genuine star of the competition.

Gray for Parker or Long is an upgrade.

With the suggested trades we are making incremental improvement.

Add 20 games out of Hanneberry & the potential of Max King & we are seeing more significant improvement.

At least we are doing something & trying to improve. That’s better than standing still after 8 shizen years.
I agree with that but if king doesn’t come on it’s a bloody slow upgrade.
 

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Reading between the lines the club is motivated to move Jack Steven on. Yes, the club is stating that Jack’s health is priority number one however I suspect this is also a way of trading him & managing supporter backlash. Unfortunately the Cats are standing by for the scraps & will get Steven for a late pick. Without looking at their draft hand I think it will be around pick 60.
As a Saints supporter it’s easy to get outraged by this scenario however if you dig deeper you will see that moving Jack on is mutually beneficial.

Hill will be a nice acquisition however listening to Bell & knowing his form line when it comes to trades we will pay top dollar. Pick 6 in a straight swap is about as good as it will get.

Bruce is severely overrated by our supporters. He’s drastically inconsistent & is worth around pick 25 IMO. Anything more is a win. However I think we’ll get slightly overs seeing as he’s contracted so a pick around 25 plus an upgrade from 60 to 40 or thereabouts would be a good outcome.

Jones for a pick in the 20-30 vicinity is fair. We have a good trade relationship with the Swans so I think this trade gets done seamlessly.

Ryder is a fee hit. Pick 60 plus should get it done. Although a Gray/Ryder 2for1 might make it pick 40 for the two.

Nothing much in the media on Newnes, McKenzie or Acres however they look to be expendable.

Not rebuild 2.0 but it looks like a significant reboot with a focus on trading 15-25 rated players on our list.

A lot of trades & pick swaps to get the deals over the line.
For one we has so much money we could probably buy all the Hills in the league and still have enough for a big fish next year, and with Bruce it doesn't matter how the supporters rate him when a club approaches us about a contracted player we could start the negotiations at 3 first rounders if we feel like it. You never start with what they are actually worth.
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I don't see the rush to move Bruce on for a pick in the 30s or 40s this year. He'll most likely command that next year anyway. If the dogs want him they can pay a little bit more. There's nothing wrong with having depth in the team, especially if we end up with injuries. Look at Richmond, enough talent to win both VFL and AFL grand finals as they've got enough depth in every position. We have an abundance of average midfielders and half back flankers but move on types like Steven and Bruce that we don't have a lot of cover for basically insignificant draft picks.
 
You know what I love. People on here underselling our players.
There are calls that suggest J Daniher will command 2 first round draft picks. 2 first round draft picks for a bloke that has barely played in 2 years.
And yet the same pundits suggest that Bruce is only worth a 2nd or 3rd rounder.
Why would the Dogs put a lucrative 4 year deal in front of him if he was s**t?
Let's put it like this if Keath is worth Pick 13 then Bruce is the same if not more.
Bruce is contracted and as such if the Dogs want him then they need to pay for him.

Daniher has played 104 games for 188 goals & his best year he kicked 65. He’s also 2 years younger than Bruce & has shown far more potential.

Bruce has played 91 games for 135 goals & his best year he kicked 50.

Considering Daniher’s last two years he’s definitely being overrated in the media. Given output, age & potential he’s a pick 10-15. Bruce closer to 25. I think both clubs get better compensation due to being contracted. If we get around pick 15 & the Bombers get around pick 5 in a poor draft we are both big winners.
 
I think George has the correct percentage. We do have a choice on accepting a certain pick number. Agree about no choice in losing him.

I’m no good at this valuation caper. Few weeks ago I thought Jack was worth a late first round pick. Hill a bit more but never pick 6. I also had Jones around 30-35 and it looks like he’s going for a bit more than that. Bruce I thought pick 19, but it seems it’ll be for a bit less.

Worst part is I still believe in those valuations despite getting them all wrong.
 
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