List Mgmt. 2019 Trade Thread - Part V

[bird_man]

i actually reckon it carries more risk now. he aint getting another contract after this one. so if he fu**s up, he doesn't lose anything at all.

all he needs is to sell his way into another gig, the rest doesnt matter at all.

He's 27, wherever he gets a contract it will be a one year deal. If he plays good footy of course he gets another contract. He's literally playing for his career.

Doubt we go for him, but as I've said all along, someone will take him on.

 

[RobbieMuir]

You got what you @#$%^& wanted you @#$%^& red headed #$%^

I’m no mathematician but looks like an awesome formula.

The Euler-Lingrange equation?

 

[NextYearPlease]

I think what people overlook with Harley is that he has stared morality in the face this time. He was always going to get another gig after the suns. Right now he is a mistake away from being done and with a young kid to provide for and a good women keeping him on track I think he will be ok.

a lot of people do dumb things in their early 20s. Multiple that when you have 500k of disposable income and your famous.

Morality or mortality?

 

[SaintsSeptember]

I'd rather we have someone who we know can step up to AFL incase an injury occurs sitting on our list for a year over a kid with a 10% chance of making it who is of no use for the majority of the time because they are still developing.

The delisted FA who can step in if needed is a greater chance of taking us forward by being able to support those who are best 22 than that kid taken very late in the draft.

So we should have taken Jake Neade instead of untried Parker?
Got back Brendon Goddard instead of Wilkie?
Jarryd Blair instead of Hind?

If it was 2009 and we had just missed out on a premiership i'd agree with this line of thinking, but we don't want to top up so that we can desperately play a final, only to crash back down 2 years later.
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Now VFL watchers could probably answer this.
Tom Gribble is a 24 year old ball magnet. When he was young his disposal was questionable and he didn't get it as much. I know he's done special training to address it. Has it worked ?

Similarly Marcus Lentini wasn't drafted due to poor disposal. Has he improved.

 

[NextYearPlease]

And we have no one in the media that is "a friend" who has enough influence to kill or minimise a story, what we would have given for an Eddy or a Robbo to help hide the mess.

Next generation - Reiwoldt, Dalsanto, Montagna, ....?

 

[NextYearPlease]

Nice post .
So all this talk of a delisted free agent Tomorrow and even the 5 recently bought in,is what does history say of players we have recruited in the past .As you posted, the chances of any of them jumping up and being a major player in our quest for a flag is at the Bottom end of possible.
The real stars are drafted young.

Not sure about the 'real stars are drafted' comment. I suspect a similar table of drafted players might have a similar distribution. Just a gut feel, but over the years there are many who have been drafted and delisted with less that say 50 games.

 

[CaptainRisky]

I used to think that about his brother at Collingwood. He seems to have carved a niche for himself based on the one thing you can’t teach - hard running.

I think his brother kept improving each year and goes at the ball a lot harder than ed , We have too many good runners , DMac , Geary , Phillips ect and none of them can get the ball , add Sincs into that list

 

[OxSaint]

I find the 2 and 3 year deals offered to Joyce and Dmac respectively quite perplexing. Not sure why deals couldn’t have been negotiated at the end of the year. Can’t imagine there would have been competition for signatures.

 

[CaptainRisky]

I find the 2 and 3 year deals offered to Joyce and Dmac respectively quite perplexing. Not sure why deals couldn’t have been negotiated at the end of the year. Can’t imagine there would have been competition for signatures.

Joyce has more chance than DMac , i agree 3 for him is one hell of a f--ck up

 

[joop]

Been off the grid for a while, can someone give me a run down on if we are going to take a DFA?

Really hoping we are keen on Partington personally.

Would think Abbot for ruck depth.?

 

[Crusty Undies]

I find the 2 and 3 year deals offered to Joyce and Dmac respectively quite perplexing. Not sure why deals couldn’t have been negotiated at the end of the year. Can’t imagine there would have been competition for signatures.

3 years for Dmac will perplex me for the rest of my life.

 

[Coconut_twirl]

Partington please. Masten would be a handy pick up for midfield depth and adding a boost to leadership and training standards.

 

[Coconut_twirl]

3 years for Dmac will perplex me for the rest of my life.

Two years for Joyce ain't too bad. Robbie Young proves you can be delisted with one year left on your contract. This will most likely happen if he keeps spudding it up. He would be on minimum money.

 

[ScrappyDo]

I find the 2 and 3 year deals offered to Joyce and Dmac respectively quite perplexing. Not sure why deals couldn’t have been negotiated at the end of the year. Can’t imagine there would have been competition for signatures.

Joyce l can understand because he's come a very long way in a short time, and has hight and athleticism that maybe needs just a bit more time to mature, whilst he continues to learn the game.
You'd have trouble finding his qualities in a late draftee or DFA, so whilst we're doing major surgery to the top of the list, he's cooking slowly on the back burner to see what comes of him. He's a 50/50 on close to minimum wage, so about right in the scheme of it.

With Dmac I'd bet my left nut that he's on a 2+1 year deal with a games played trigger for the 3rd year.
Blokes like him simply do not get 3 year deals.
Again it's a sign that we're ignoring the draft for a time, and whilst Dmac isn't exactly high quality, he's shown enough to be a depth player with room still for improvement.

Replacing these two with a couple of 4th round picks or even rookies, doesn't have much up side, since we'll be doing that already with the guys we have let go.
We'll already be taking 3-5 late picks/rookies/DFAs, and making that number 5-7 would just be dumb management.

 

[MOLTEN GANGLANDS]

Not sure we had the chance to overlook him though haha

well I'm no ITK, but from what's leaked over the years it sounds like our 'good bloke' policy stopped us from pouncing on him when he was there for the taking. Sounds like he was very gettable for a bit there. I reckon if lethers/gags etc were running things back then he'd be a saint.

 

[Crusty Undies]

Joyce l can understand because he's come a very long way in a short time, and has hight and athleticism that maybe needs just a bit more time to mature, whilst he continues to learn the game.
You'd have trouble finding his qualities in a late draftee or DFA, so whilst we're doing major surgery to the top of the list, he's cooking slowly on the back burner to see what comes of him. He's a 50/50 on close to minimum wage, so about right in the scheme of it.

With Dmac I'd bet my left nut that he's on a 2+1 year deal with a games played trigger for the 3rd year.
Blokes like him simply do not get 3 year deals.
Again it's a sign that we're ignoring the draft for a time, and whilst Dmac isn't exactly high quality, he's shown enough to be a depth player with room still for improvement.

Replacing these two with a couple of 4th round picks or even rookies, doesn't have much up side, since we'll be doing that already with the guys we have let go.
We'll already be taking 3-5 late picks/rookies/DFAs, and making that number 5-7 would just be dumb management.

I disagree. I reckon having not played football since 2014 that I'd be a more productive member of the list than Dmac. The bloke taken at pick 100 would be aeons ahead of the both of us.

 

[diddley1984]

To me people who drive without a license is an indicator of a particular mindset.

Now i'm old school, i harken from the days where you push your luck drink driving and speed, a lot.
I have lost my license, but it would have been a clear other step to then drive without it.
For me it was a wake up call.

Road safety do gooders would tell you that speeding and driving under the influence are very serious crimes indeed, so i'd consider driving unlicensed right up there.

True.
I was done for drink driving, then a few months later, driving without a licence when I was a bit younger. I didn’t think too much of it when I was doing it. But I was caught, faced the penalties, and moved on.
Within 2 years of that though, I would just look back at myself and think “geez, I was a f*%#wit.” I used it to move on, and snap out of my young “invincible” phase. I don’t even recognise my younger self now. And I wasn’t even Rich and famous like Harley was.

 

[Moral Decay]

Next generation - Reiwoldt, Dalsanto, Montagna, ....?

interesting idea, they'd have to get very big to have the stick that Eddy and Robbo have, Eddy's ability to kill a story for the Pies and Robbo's muddying the waters for Essendon have been wild to watch

 

[BrutThough]

So we should have taken Jake Neade instead of untried Parker?
Got back Brendon Goddard instead of Wilkie?
Jarryd Blair instead of Hind?

If it was 2009 and we had just missed out on a premiership i'd agree with this line of thinking, but we don't want to top up so that we can desperately play a final, only to crash back down 2 years later.
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Now VFL watchers could probably answer this.
Tom Gribble is a 24 year old ball magnet. When he was young his disposal was questionable and he didn't get it as much. I know he's done special training to address it. Has it worked ?

Similarly Marcus Lentini wasn't drafted due to poor disposal. Has he improved.

You've just listed three mature aged, mid 20s players we picked up around the mark who all have a mature body and could step in and fill a role. All would have played around the same state league football as most of the delisted free agents we would be in the market for.

I was talking about the 18 year old kid thats picked late, very skinny, but we claim has 'potential' but just needs to build a tank and a body yet never does and is delisted 2 years later to never be heard of again.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

You've just listed three mature aged, mid 20s players we picked up around the mark who all have a mature body and could step in and fill a role. All would have played around the same state league football as most of the delisted free agents we would be in the market for.

I was talking about the 18 year old kid thats picked late, very skinny, but we claim has 'potential' but just needs to build a tank and a body yet never does and is delisted 2 years later to never be heard of again.

Fair comment.
I prefer the "untried" mature age, rather than tried and found lacking, though under some circumstances it may be that the latter can turn it around.
I also prefer mature age, but not so mature that they can get their food cheap in the pub ( Masten ).
For example if Freeman put together a blinder of a VFL season, clubs would be mad not to look at him.

 

[CaptainRisky]

I disagree. I reckon having not played football since 2014 that I'd be a more productive member of the list than Dmac. The bloke taken at pick 100 would be aeons ahead of the both of us.

I dont know you Crusty but id be willing to back you in more than Dmac

 

[Ducky Tie]

Masten is the epitome of mediocrity. He's old, has never been anything more than a role player and is on the decline. Has never been in the leadership group at the Eagles so not like he's an asset in that department. There is nothing at all that makes him a good option for us in my opinion.

 

[MOLTEN GANGLANDS]

Masten is the epitome of mediocrity. He's old, has never been anything more than a role player and is on the decline. Has never been in the leadership group at the Eagles so not like he's an asset in that department. There is nothing at all that makes him a good option for us in my opinion.

Every team needs a scapegoat, if we just head into the season willy nilly without at least a B grade scapegoat we could be in for some serious trouble/forum bans

 

[sunny3193]

I’m no mathematician but looks like an awesome formula.

The Euler-Lingrange equation?

My brain hurts.

 

[Crusty Undies]

Masten is the epitome of mediocrity. He's old, has never been anything more than a role player and is on the decline. Has never been in the leadership group at the Eagles so not like he's an asset in that department. There is nothing at all that makes him a good option for us in my opinion.

b-b-b-but he trains really hard in the pre-season!