List Mgmt. 2020 Trade Thread - Part I

[Ducky Tie]

It's Shaws fault they're in this situation. Brad Scott advised them they need to rebuild. The board th ought otherwise. Hence why he left.

Shaw agreed with the board they didn't need to rebuild- hence why he got the job

That's not really Shaw's fault. It's the board and football department that was there who refused to accept their situation. Shaw was always going to say whatever the board wanted to hear to get the job and fair enough too.

 

[bird_man]

North really misread that list and missed some good opportunities to get something good out of their older players.

 

[DT_35]

Would’ve thought Geelong have WAY too many midfielders already lol

 

[Max the great]

Would do it for a 3rd rounder

Who Polec? No f***** way we want that bloke at the club

 

[gringo2011]

And we are about to empty a whole heap of experience. Token pick I would consider it.

Caldwell is half developed but is going to take a couple of seasons to dominate. Higgins would be a great stop gap, he's super pro in his preparation and a clean skin. If you could get him cheap he'd be a great get. He could play when Hanners doesn't get up so good for about 23 games a year.

 

[From 45]

That's not really Shaw's fault. It's the board and football department that was there who refused to accept their situation. Shaw was always going to say whatever the board wanted to hear to get the job and fair enough too.

How's it fair enough ? Now he is going through this mess because he agreed with the board to get the job.

He dug his own grave. So I don't feel sorry for him

 

[Ducky Tie]

North really misread that list and missed some good opportunities to get something good out of their older players.

Culling all their best players when they are at their lowest value. So dumb.

Would love Higgins if it wasn't for a good pick. Absolute class.

 

[ScrappyDo]

It's Shaws fault they're in this situation. Brad Scott advised them they need to rebuild. The board th ought otherwise. Hence why he left.

Shaw agreed with the board they didn't need to rebuild- hence why he got the job

It's the club's fault not Shaw's.
Didn't understand their list situation and appointed a coach that gave them the answer they wanted to hear.
Regardless, I think they're better off under Shaw than Scott..

 

[stavro#4]

Caldwell is half developed but is going to take a couple of seasons to dominate. Higgins would be a great stop gap, he's super pro in his preparation and a clean skin. If you could get him cheap he'd be a great get. He could play when Hanners doesn't get up so good for about 23 games a year.

If Lonie goes - which is a possibility.
Gresh and Higgins rotating mid and forward would be nice.

 

[From 45]

It's the club's fault not Shaw's.
Didn't understand their list situation and appointed a coach that gave them the answer they wanted to hear.
Regardless, I think they're better off under Shaw than Scott..

Totally disagree. Scott is a far better coach and he was 100% correct.

I'd rather a coach who understands the situation and is transparent than a guy who is a yes man.

 

[Marlo]

North really misread that list and missed some good opportunities to get something good out of their older players.

I'd be livid as a fan. Could have cashed in on Goldy and Higgins and have a core young midfield coming up already, instead of 2023

 

[Ducky Tie]

How's it fair enough ? Now he is going through this mess because he agreed with the board to get the job.

He dug his own grave. So I don't feel sorry for him

It's not about feeling sorry for him. He did dig his own hole, as you say, but that doesn't mean it's his fault that they're in this situation. Whoever took over after Scott was inheriting a list about to fall over the edge. It's the fault of the board for not reading its own list accuratley and thinking they were ready to go again.

 

[Jay Beast]

No doubt Higgins is good but how many years do we get out of him...2?
Perhaps they're not expecting Geary to play much next year so need the on-field leadership.

 

[gringo2011]

We also have Battle

Who do Richmond have if Riewoldt and Lynch go down?

It would be a strange move to bring in someone on $1m year just so we have a decent forward in the VFL.

I don't think there are too many clubs that have the tall forward depth we do. We just happen to play them all in the 22.

I can't see how anyone wouldn't want Cameron if he was available. King might become that kind of dominant forward but he might not ever get there like Daniher. Memberey was terrible this year and might not really ever get over the 30 -45 goals a year mark. We could potentially trade him out or reinvent him as a CHB or something, Jeremy Howe style.

West Coast have Darling, Kennedy and Oscar Allen playing as KPFs.

 

[From 45]

It's not about feeling sorry for him. He did dig his own hole, as you say, but that doesn't mean it's his fault that they're in this situation. Whoever took over after Scott was inheriting a list about to fall over the edge. It's the fault of the board for not reading its own list accuratley and thinking they were ready to go again.

Shaw should've been honest from the start.
Anyway we will agree to disagree.

Let's hope we benefit from it

 

[gringo2011]

No doubt Higgins is good but how many years do we get out of him...2?
Perhaps they're not expecting Geary to play much next year so need the on-field leadership.

Probably 2. He missed a lot of footy at the Dogs with thyroid issues and all kinds of bizarre things so hasn't been smashed like most 32 year olds.

 

[From 45]

I would love to get Jye Simpkin

 

[gringo2011]

Would’ve thought Geelong have WAY too many midfielders already lol

And balls deep into Crouch.

 

[flyingmagic]

Shaun Higgins

Don't worry guys, have also heard that Higgins is just a back up plan in the event that Heeney falls through.

Similar type of player but Heeney much younger and much more appealing.

 

[stavro#4]

No doubt Higgins is good but how many years do we get out of him...2?
Perhaps they're not expecting Geary to play much next year so need the on-field leadership.

You need to sometimes protect the youth and pass on the knowledge.
He is an immaculate trainer and a fantastic reader of the play. Would love Hunter to learn off him.

I would be thrilled with both Caldwell and Higgins. But there is one I want and I think it’s possible. Jack Viney.

if he was to leave Melbourne and they need to shed one of the key 3 mids Because it effects the team and the players output, then they can have our first. Get it done.

 

[gringo2011]

I would love to get Jye Simpkin

He would be untouchable along with Zurhar. They are their rebuild pillars. They have a few good kids that should help kick start them a bit. I can't see why they would lose Brown though. He's still pretty young.

 

[Remboy]

Is North going to have anyone left?

 

[Highlander35]

I like Higgins, he 100% comes in to be best 22 and improves our team, and that especially holds if we lose someone like Lonie to money and greater opportunity.

But giving up anything substantial for a player of his age isn't something reasonable to do, even if we go balls to the wall for the 2021 Premiership before Paddy and Geary presumably move on.

Deals in line with the Hawthorn veteran trades of yesteryear:

Hodge + 44 = 43 + 75
Mitchell + 54 + 72 = 52 + 70 + 88 &
Lewis + 57 + 68 = 48 + 66

Would be my starting point, and I'd think only slightly overs from that would be reasonable, given the relative positions of the 2 clubs

 

[Ducky Tie]

And balls deep into Crouch.

If they get Crouch, Higgins and Selwood goes on, that's got to be the oldest midfield ever.

Ages at round one next year:
Higgins 33
Selwood 32 (33 in May)
Steven 31
Dangerfield 30
Duncan 29
Menegola 29
Guthrie 28
Crouch 27

 

[Marlo]

You need to sometimes protect the youth and pass on the knowledge.
He is an immaculate trainer and a fantastic reader of the play. Would love Hunter to learn off him.

I would be thrilled with both Caldwell and Higgins. But there is one I want and I think it’s possible. Jack Viney.

if he was to leave Melbourne and they need to shed one of the key 3 mids Because it effects the team and the players output, then they can have our first. Get it done.

I'm usually wrong, but Viney seems like he's entering the ultimate battler phase of his career? Strongest chin in the game tho, no doubt