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Which most of us Amos could see from the get go.
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Jonas is contracted for next year
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What the **** was Mcentee meant to bring to the team? Moreover, how did he ever warrant selection?
The SANFL grade midfielder undersized for AFL so turn him into pressure forward/KPF role.
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Gotta justify the horrible drafting somehow.
Third time lucky with our mid season drafts I think.
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I don’t think it was terrible to draft McEntee at mid season or try and change him to a small forward. Low risk, low cost. Question is really whether we learned enough or could learn enough in six months to delist or give him more time to develop. Sutcliffe was an average one.
For those advocating moving on Jonas and McKenzie, who will play back line for us? Pasini after a shoulder and knee recon and about 15 SANFL games? The newly drafted KPD, assuming we take one somewhere in the draft? Make Burton play tall? Swing Finlayson back there? KPDs take time to develop. I suggest that both McKenzie and Jonas will be on the list next year regardless of drafting another KPD, perhaps even the two years after.
For those advocating moving on Jonas and McKenzie, who will play back line for us? Pasini after a shoulder and knee recon and about 15 SANFL games? The newly drafted KPD, assuming we take one somewhere in the draft? Make Burton play tall? Swing Finlayson back there? KPDs take time to develop. I suggest that both McKenzie and Jonas will be on the list next year regardless of drafting another KPD, perhaps even the two years after.
Griffen Logue dream recruit. Possible bargain recruit Caleb Graham at GC 196cm 95kg key backman. Played about 10 games last year, mostly filling in the ruck but he is a defender. With Collins/Ballard dominating & they drafted Mac Andrew as a top 10 last season. Not many opportunities there. No way will we let Boak, Jonas, McKenzie, Gray, Dixon & Motlop all leave list in one year. I would keep Boak, Dixon & rookie list Motlop.
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Caleb Graham is one of the worst players I've ever seen at AFL level. Wouldn't even get a game ahead of Sam Skinner, let alone Jonas/Aliir/Clurey/McKenzie.
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The thing is, with our list, Hinkley or not, Clarko or not, we are not winning a premiership for a few years. If we were a Vic team and able to recruit like them with the big versatile pool of go homers when in a premiership window - maybe it is/would have been a different story.
So, anyone over 27 is pointless to recruit for us, unless they are free (free agents) or close to free.
Keeping some of our oldies has value to help in the transition and to not create a loser bottom of the ladder culture. But realistically, I think we all know we are on the verge of our under 27s (and Wines) being good enough to not reach bottom of the ladder stuff. Next year we would be right, even if we lost all of them.
I think the club knows this, it’s part of the plan to transition them out, and why Ken will probs be our coach next year. I mean in every interview Boaky bangs on about all the oldies new roles in Developing players. Reckon the club sadly actually thinks we over achieved the last couple of years with our list profile. This will save Kens bacon.
Club will want to save the $$ keeping Ken and to keep developing players. Also our list management/ draft pick selections has been pretty good over the last few years too, so back that in for another year.
It really is a big year to draw out JHF or Rankine and if that doesn’t work - go to the draft. I’d happily trade many of our players, bar a few untouchables (Rozee, Butters, Marshall, Georgiades, Wines and Allir, maybe Jones and Sinn too). Anyone else is tradeable for the right price, especially if it got us JHF or Rankine, or even some better first round draft picks.
So, anyone over 27 is pointless to recruit for us, unless they are free (free agents) or close to free.
Keeping some of our oldies has value to help in the transition and to not create a loser bottom of the ladder culture. But realistically, I think we all know we are on the verge of our under 27s (and Wines) being good enough to not reach bottom of the ladder stuff. Next year we would be right, even if we lost all of them.
I think the club knows this, it’s part of the plan to transition them out, and why Ken will probs be our coach next year. I mean in every interview Boaky bangs on about all the oldies new roles in Developing players. Reckon the club sadly actually thinks we over achieved the last couple of years with our list profile. This will save Kens bacon.
Club will want to save the $$ keeping Ken and to keep developing players. Also our list management/ draft pick selections has been pretty good over the last few years too, so back that in for another year.
It really is a big year to draw out JHF or Rankine and if that doesn’t work - go to the draft. I’d happily trade many of our players, bar a few untouchables (Rozee, Butters, Marshall, Georgiades, Wines and Allir, maybe Jones and Sinn too). Anyone else is tradeable for the right price, especially if it got us JHF or Rankine, or even some better first round draft picks.
Motlop - delist / retire
Gray - retire
Boak - re-sign
Mckenzie - 50 /50 depends if we trade for anyone...maybe Highmore. Prob keep?
Amon - free agent end of first
Skinner - de-list
Mayes r - de-list
Jones - re-sign
Schofield R - dont know. Re- rookie?
Mcentee R - de-list
Dumont R re-rookie
Mead - re-sign
Frederick - dont know. Depends on numbers.
Passani - should be able to re-rookie
Teakle - re-rookie
Jackson could go to the rookie list but there doesnt seem to be a need.
Dbj is the obvious trade out option.
We really need some general forwards.
Gray - retire
Boak - re-sign
Mckenzie - 50 /50 depends if we trade for anyone...maybe Highmore. Prob keep?
Amon - free agent end of first
Skinner - de-list
Mayes r - de-list
Jones - re-sign
Schofield R - dont know. Re- rookie?
Mcentee R - de-list
Dumont R re-rookie
Mead - re-sign
Frederick - dont know. Depends on numbers.
Passani - should be able to re-rookie
Teakle - re-rookie
Jackson could go to the rookie list but there doesnt seem to be a need.
Dbj is the obvious trade out option.
We really need some general forwards.
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FishingRick04
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Only thing I’d argue with is that handover period is now and not next year. A lot of player peaking at the correct age profile.
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It’s an interesting one. There is definitely a new coach bounce phenomenon and a flag is usually won in the first 5 years, if it’s going to be won at all.
But you need the right players in the right age and experience bracket to win a flag too. Guys like Duursma, Marshall, Rozee, etc all need to be in that 80-200 game mix. We are probably a year or two away from the list getting to that space organically. Need to keep some senior guys around to get us to that point. Question really is whether you let Hinkley coach out next year, keep developing the list and prime it for the new coach with new coach bounce in 2024? Or switch now and know that it’ll be a year or two until we are serious, so year 3 or 4 of the new coach’s tenure?
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How so? How is he hampering development?
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100% agree, I think the list needs a reset, finishing out of the finals should indicate that we are no longer in Premiership contention.
The sooner that list management realises this then the sooner that we can plan on building a potential Premiership squad.
I'd have no hesitation in trading out players that have market value, Dursma, DBJ, Amon to get higher in the draft.
Our list has massive key position holes most notably in defence and now in Ruck, take a step back now and reset to be a consistent Top 4 side in 2027-2028.
If we top up or try and trade in older players for the now then when it fails (nothing short if a Premiership is a failure) then we could be looking at an Adelaide FC type rebuild.
We also need to compare our list to that of the competition most notably the up and coming lists that have gone past us, Fremantle, Carlton, Sydney.
Would’ve thought his treatment of Hayes is a prime example
Continual selection of his favs like Motlop at the expense of younger players
Trying to turn Duuursma into an inside mid which has literally ruined his year
If we can offload Boak as part of the JHF deal, plus Amon, plus another first 22 player as part of the JHF deal, plus Motlop, Gray, Skinner, McEntee, that's atlesast 6 new players required.
We desperately need to recruit some key defensive players.
We desperately need to recruit some key defensive players.
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And the games into Burgoyne, Mead, Marshall, Rozee, Butters, Duursma, Farrell, Bonner, Georgiades, 7 straight games into Hayes, they were detrimental? Amon and DBJ have played over a hundred games and become AA squad members.
We were desperate for midfielders and have trialled multiple players through there. Arguably the hit in round one hurt Duursma not the attempt to give him more strings to his bow.
Hayes is a good tap ruckman but doesn’t offer anything else a ruck needs to. I agree he maybe could have got games last year but he hasn’t been good enough this year and he got a good extended run.
Hinkley backed Bonner and Marshall when we called for them to be dropped. Now both are in our best handful of players for the season.
Hinkley hasn’t been perfect at developing players but I would say it’s an area he has been fairly good at and has regularly backed young players in. Every coach is trying to win, not just Ken to ‘save his bacon’.
You also need to factor in what ‘developing’ players may do to the rest of the team. Ie having Boak in the midfield is likely to help Mead develop, same with Gray up front or Jonas down back. Playing Lord over Dixon probably doesn’t help Lord as much as you would think and might impact the development of Farrell or Mead who now have an inexperienced forward to kick to.
The reason Hinkley needs to go is because he has had 10 years at the club and hasn’t won a flag. Coaches win their flags in their first 5 years if they are going to. So Stats suggest Hinkley won’t win one. Otherwise he is a good man, I think he does care for the club and is quite a good motivator and people person. He can also develop players well.
I don't think Hinkley cares about the club at all. I agree that he cares about many of the players (not all of them) but at best he's indifferent to the club and actually hates our supporters. We're too demanding and our expectations make him uncomfortable.
He's still a cats man at heart and when he does eventually go, I doubt he'll ever step through the doors of the club again.
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Fair enough. I don’t think he is running the club into the ground as some on this board suggest but certainly take your point.
And agree, he is still a cats man.
I just don’t hate the guy like many do. I still would love for him to get a flag with us. I’ve just come to accept the stats say he won’t and his flaws are increasing obvious. We need a new coach for sure.
I don't hate him either. I just want him gone. I do hate what our club has become, but that's more on Koch and the rest of the afl patsys on the board
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