List Mgmt. 2021 Trade Thread - Part III

[George]

Delisted;
Oscar Clavarino

38

Oscar Clavarino

Age

25

Ht

197cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

Def

No player stats available

Sam Alabakis

45

Sam Alabakis

Age

27

Ht

211cm

Wt

105kg

Pos.

Ruck

No player stats available

Jack Lonie

13

Jack Lonie

Age

28

Ht

175cm

Wt

70kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.5

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

4.7

3star

M

3.1

3star

T

2.8

4star

G

0.9

4star

D

10.7

3star

K

7.9

3star

HB

2.9

2star

M

3.7

4star

T

2.6

4star

G

0.7

4star

D

13.4

4star

K

9.0

4star

HB

4.4

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

3.2

5star

G

1.0

4star

Paul Hunter

41

Paul Hunter

Age

31

Ht

200cm

Wt

104kg

Pos.

Ruck

No player stats available

Traded;
Luke Dunstan

27

Luke Dunstan

Age

29

Ht

185cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

20.7

5star

K

10.1

4star

HB

10.6

5star

M

3.3

3star

T

4.8

5star

CL

4.4

5star

D

21.0

5star

K

13.0

5star

HB

8.0

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

9.0

5star

CL

2.0

4star

D

18.2

5star

K

6.0

3star

HB

12.2

5star

M

2.4

3star

T

6.2

5star

CL

4.2

5star

Retired;
Jake Carlisle

2

Jake Carlisle

Age

33

Ht

200cm

Wt

106kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.6

3star

K

8.7

3star

HB

4.9

4star

M

6.2

5star

T

1.6

4star

MG

116.3

2star

D

11.7

3star

K

8.4

3star

HB

3.3

2star

M

5.9

5star

T

1.1

2star

MG

116.3

2star

D

12.4

4star

K

6.4

3star

HB

6.0

4star

M

6.6

5star

T

0.8

3star

Dylan Roberton

17

Dylan Roberton

Age

33

Ht

194cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.1

4star

K

11.4

4star

HB

5.8

4star

M

4.8

5star

T

1.9

4star

MG

373.2

5star

D

8.0

2star

K

7.0

3star

HB

1.0

1star

M

1.0

1star

T

0.0

1star

MG

215.0

3star

D

14.6

4star

K

10.2

4star

HB

4.4

4star

M

4.6

5star

T

1.6

4star

Shaun McKernan

27

Shaun Mckernan

Age

34

Ht

196cm

Wt

100kg

Pos.

F/R

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.0

3star

K

8.3

3star

HB

4.7

3star

M

4.5

4star

T

1.8

4star

G

1.0

4star

D

8.4

2star

K

5.6

2star

HB

2.8

2star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.6

3star

G

1.0

4star

D

17.0

5star

K

8.2

4star

HB

8.8

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.2

3star

G

0.2

3star

James Frawley

24

James Frawley

Age

36

Ht

193cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.2

4star

K

9.2

4star

HB

5.1

4star

M

5.1

5star

T

1.9

4star

MG

135.4

2star

D

8.7

2star

K

6.0

2star

HB

2.7

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

0.9

2star

MG

135.4

2star

D

9.0

3star

K

4.0

2star

HB

5.0

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.2

3star

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List & Contract Status

SENIOR LIST 1. Jack Higgins 2. Marcus Windhager 3. Zak Jones 4. Lance Collard 5. Brad Crouch 6. Sebastian Ross 7. Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera 8. Bradley Hill 9. Jack Steele 10. Mitchito Owens 11. Hunter Clark 12. Max King 13. Ryan Byrnes 14. Liam Stocker 15. Paddy Dow 16. Daniel Butler 17. Isaac...

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Restricted and Unrestricted Free Agency Window
Friday October 1 – Friday October 8

Trade Period
Players: Monday October 4 – Wednesday October 13
Picks: Monday October 4 – Monday November 15

List Lodgement 1
Friday October 29

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Wednesday November 3 - Tuesday November 9

List Lodgement 2 (Final date for primary list delistings)
Wednesday November 10

Delisted Free Agency Window 2
Thursday November 11 - Monday November 15

AFL Pre-Season Commences (First to fourth year players)
Monday November 22

National Draft
Round 1: Wednesday November 24 (7pm)
Round 2 – completion: Thursday November 25 (7pm - late)

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Friday November 26 (3.20pm)

Final List Lodgement
Monday November 29

Pre-Season Commences (All other players)
Monday 6 December

Pre-Season Supplemental Selection Period (SSP)
December - March (tbc)

Pre-Season Christmas Break
Sunday 19 December - Sunday 9 January

 

[The_Steadier]

This is pedantic to the point of pointlessness but fine, add Bytel to that too if you wanna get real pedantic.

Good point, forgot about him.

It's not pedantic- because it's central to my whole point.

We need more fulltime midfielders- good ones. (Better than seb ross)

Why?
Because we currently only have a horrible grand total of 2.

Every top 8 team I'd wager (without checking) would have easily more than 2 fulltime mids better than seb ross.

Circling back to your original point- why are we obsessed with having "fulltime" mids?

A: because we have a woeful amount of good ones that play every week compared to the good teams in the comp

 

[phantom13]

Good point, forgot about him.

It's not pedantic- because it's central to my whole point.

We need more fulltime midfielders- good ones. (Better than seb ross)

Why?
Because we currently only have a horrible grand total of 2.

Every top 8 team I'd wager (without checking) would have easily more than 2 fulltime mids better than seb ross.

Circling back to your original point- why are we obsessed with having "fulltime" mids?

A: because we have a woeful amount of good ones that play every week compared to the good teams in the comp

And the Melbourne comparison? They have Oliver and Petracca (easily argue hes not fulltime) then Viney behind.

We dont need more quantity we need more quality.

No one on our part time list is going to become one of those guys.

 

[phantom13]

And Two of them are absolute guns

Yeh, see above.

We dont need 8 mids, we need 2 to 3 guns then support players.

I think we have the support guys already.

Jones miiiiiiiight the 2nd for Steele, maybe.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

They shouldnt be copping any. Article i read this morning was basically insinuating GWS were heartless for not trading on compassionate grounds.

Same as Dunkley last year (he doesnt want to play ruck let him go) and Daniher a few years ago.

They stick the boots in anyway.
A few years back David King was saying how we need to get the "Deal Done " on Hill, now we have traded out all our good draft picks.

 

[CaptainRisky]

Goddard really is a fkuc stick

Goddard names three St Kilda players that need to lift in 2022

“Their spots are in jeopardy.”

www.sen.com.au

 

[bird_man]

Agree on Sinclair. Paton comes back in Sinclair in the mid rotation.

Paton Howard Webster

Coffield Battle Highmore

We've tried Sinclair in the middle. He's average at best.

He's been thrown around his whole career and has finally cemented a spot.

2nd in the best and fairest. He was the closest thing we had to an elite player this season behind Steele.

Leave him there. We've got enough options in the middle.

 

[Groater]

Goddard really is a fkuc stick

Goddard names three St Kilda players that need to lift in 2022

“Their spots are in jeopardy.”

www.sen.com.au

Disagree. Nothing wrong with a bit of motivation.

 

[botts]

Goddard really is a fkuc stick

Goddard names three St Kilda players that need to lift in 2022

“Their spots are in jeopardy.”

www.sen.com.au

He is a bit of a tosser. But he is right. Clarke has so much talent. He needs to have a massive pre season to realise that potential, same with coff. As for billings, this is it. If he is gonna be a gun it’s now or never

 

[phantom13]

Goddard really is a fkuc stick

Goddard names three St Kilda players that need to lift in 2022

“Their spots are in jeopardy.”

www.sen.com.au

Yehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

Billings probably fair although we just extended his contract so hes not really under the pump.

Clark was showing alot until McKay rearranged his jaw.

Coff probably the only fair criticism really and plenty in front of him.

 

[The Boar]

We need a massive preseason and need the full squad very very fit. Do not trust them to do that themselves, flog them hard Walsh.

Strong preseasons is what Clark, Coffield, Gresham, Bytel, King all need to go to another level. All of those players aren't at the level yet and need to be pushed.

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[CaptainRisky]

He is a bit of a tosser. But he is right. Clarke has so much talent. He needs to have a massive pre season to realise that potential, same with coff. As for billings, this is it. If he is gonna be a gun it’s now or never

But saying Byrnes is in front of Coff is tugging it a bit too much

 

[Minga]

Goddard really is a fkuc stick

Goddard names three St Kilda players that need to lift in 2022

“Their spots are in jeopardy.”

www.sen.com.au

To be fair, Dal Santo agreed with him and was also going to suggest Coffield before Goddard got the chance. They do need to lift, its obviously the next step in their development to becoming high quality AFL players - talking about Clark and Coffield specifically.

Billings just needs to have a brilliant pre-season and make himself relevant again, it’s now or never. Oh and he needs to not fall away half way through the season (gets a pass this year due to injury).

 

[phantom13]

Clark sticks out like dogs balls on that list to me.

Was showing plenty before his jaw got broken. Doesnt deserve to be anywhere near that list.

 

[Sully111]

Goddard really is a fkuc stick

Goddard names three St Kilda players that need to lift in 2022

“Their spots are in jeopardy.”

www.sen.com.au

Apparently if they don't, he's threatened to go to their houses and knock biscuits off the table.

 

[Saintbloke]

We need to get the overall fitness and conditioning up a notch over summer. Just too many players dropping in and out of games this season, and it cost us wins.

 

[SaintSteele9]

Can anyone kindly explain our draft pick position and how it translates to getting the two NGA boys? I know there is points at each pick and so on, but at face value it doesn’t look like we have much to work with points-wise?

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

I don't understand the obsession with not having enough midfielders.

Reckon we do have enough mids, just not enough really bloody good ones or the bloody good ones we have spend too much time on the sidelines.

A full season out of Gresh, Jonesy and (gulp) Hanners totally transforms what we served up this year. Captain Obvious to say we need the next gen mids to stand up and make their mark next season.

The talent is there... the big question marks are whether the fitness and commitment are.

 

[StCicatriz]

And the Melbourne comparison? They have Oliver and Petracca (easily argue hes not fulltime) then Viney behind.

We dont need more quantity we need more quality.

No one on our part time list is going to become one of those guys.

this. our issue isn't depth or numbers or role players.

we need out and out stars, who play consistent top level football, thats damaging.

steele is our best option, he's ageing and he can be inconsistent a bit. he needs a friend in there.

until we start finding elite mids in the draft, we are going no where.

 

[gringo2011]

How many do you want?

Melbourne who just won a flag have 3 arguably 2 then a bunch of dudes who can fill a stack of positions including part time mids.

2 of them are elite top 5 players in the comp though. If you don't have a couple of guns you need a spread of them.

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

Goddard really is a fkuc stick

Goddard names three St Kilda players that need to lift in 2022

“Their spots are in jeopardy.”

www.sen.com.au

He is but hard to argue with that.

If you had to nominate 3 blokes who could seriously influence how far we go in the years to come by fulfilling their talent then JB, Hunts & Coff would be amongst the most common responses.

 

[phantom13]

2 of them are elite top 5 players in the comp though. If you don't have a couple of guns you need a spread of them.

Sounds alot like some clubs trading strategies.

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

But saying Byrnes is in front of Coff is tugging it a bit too much

He was last season. Ronnie had a much better season than Nick.

 

[gringo2011]

Reckon we do have enough mids, just not enough really bloody good ones or the bloody good ones we have spend too much time on the sidelines.

A full season out of Gresh, Jonesy and (gulp) Hanners totally transforms what we served up this year. Captain Obvious to say we need the next gen mids to stand up and make their mark next season.

The talent is there... the big question marks are whether the fitness and commitment are.

True. None are elite except maybe Steele and he's step down from the champion types. Jones is a point of difference with his pace but injury and consistency have always plagued him. Crouch probably is consistency off a being a gun, Gresham is still building and injury prone and Hanners would have been put down if he was a horse. I think Gresham and Clark are the growth players who could step up but there are lots of what ifs.

 

[StCicatriz]

i agree with a fair bit of this, however, i think Joey and King neglect to recognise the circumstances of why things happened and the cost.
1) we were down the bottom of the ladder and hadn't played finals in very close to a decade... of course they're going to try and find ready made players to boost that list,
2) the real issue here isn't what lethers and ratts have done. the big **** off problem we had is waiting so frigging long to pull the trigger on richo/trout etc. we spent so many years just being patient with very little results,
3) sure we paid up big on hill, but crouch came for free!!!! that's exactly what we should be doing, grabbing guys via free agency to help support the kids coming through.

YES Steeles age is a concern, but FMD, it's not just about Steele, we need to be finding elite midfielders in the draft. Steele is really irrelevant in that discussion. if we can't do that now, we are cooked, regardless of if Steele is 23 or 27 or 30.

having said that i don't think we can sit around for 3 years waiting for who we select to come good. i think we are going to need to make an early call. we need someone who's going to show early signs like oliver did or say a cripps or walsh or rowell or smith. if we don't see that we are just going to waste another couple of years waiting to pull the trigger on another head recruiter and list manager. this is a top 10 pick, its a very good pick, if we don't see decent signs in 2022 from that player, i think we are in strife. in other words if the early signs we see are similar to say what clark and coffield showed in their first year then i think we are in for some strife.

we need to speed things up and fast!

 

[gringo2011]

He is but hard to argue with that.

If you had to nominate 3 blokes who could seriously influence how far we go in the years to come by fulfilling their talent then JB, Hunts & Coff would be amongst the most common responses.

There is something particularly hard to swallow with the players with talent that don't take it to the next level. I know it's just probably not in their nature but to have so many top picks that didn't make the step up is hard to fathom.

Coff and Clark are probably at that step up or stall stage of their careers. If they just dribble along that's likely their level. They are looking more James Aish that Dustin Martin right now.

Billings is the model for any player who wants to piss away their careers as a well paid footballer who coasts and still gets accolades for achieving very little. I hope it finally clicks for him this coming season. He'll look back on what could have been one day and wish he'd put in another 25% if he doesn't.

Gresham too, he's mid career now and still hasn't strung much together, promise turns to disappointment pretty quickly in footy and injury has been an excuse for 2 years but he could be another one in the sights pretty quickly.