List Mgmt. 2022 AFL Draft Discussion

what do we do?

  • trade back in with a future first and take phillipou

  • trade back in with a future second and take barnett

  • trade back in with a future second for someone else

  • only take MM and keep the other spot for PSD/rookie

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Our draft haul:

Pick 17 - Max Michalanney (matched F/S)
Pick 43 - Billy Dowling
Pick 50 - Hugh Bond

Rookie Pick 5 - Andrew McPherson (re-listed)
Rookie Pick 21 - Paul Seedsman (re-listed)
 
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AFC979810 said:
Yeah. But you can win a flag with a donkey of a ruck man.

Look at the Hawthorn and Richmond Dynasties. s**t - even the 2016 Bulldogs won a grand final without even playing a ruck man.
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You’d rather a decent ruck than a donkey right? Unless the rest of your team is elite of course, do you think that’s us?

And Nankervis isn’t a donkey.

Who was the Hawks ruck?
 

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AFC979810 said:
Yeah. But you can win a flag with a donkey of a ruck man.

Look at the Hawthorn and Richmond Dynasties. s**t - even the 2016 Bulldogs won a grand final without even playing a ruck man.
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Nankervis and McEvoy were better players than ROB. Not great with their tapwork but pretty good around the ground. ROB is good at neither.
 
maxlilly said:
I just don't understand our drafting philosophy.
We've had top draft picks the last 4-5 years and we haven't drafted one prime midfielder in that time.
We continue to throw handfuls of draft picks at late pick midfielders who wont make it.
And we totally disregard our tall stocks even though they are mostly terrible
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Our issue is more to do with game selection.
Nick's has prioritised winning games over playing kids.
Cook, Pedler, Thillthorpe, Gollant and Worrell should have had more games in them by now than they do.
I would have even played Newchurch a few times.
I think we are in an OK place.
Forward line is great. Fog, Thillthorpe, Rankine, Rachele, McAdam and Gollant.
We have Cook as a half forward that has talent and x factor. Luke Pedler has the ability to kick goals and even Milera could go back to the forward line where we drafted him as.

Defenders arnt too bad. Doedee, Butts, Worrell, Murray, Hinge, Dawson, Milera and Jones is a good base with Max coming in and another year into Borlase. McHenry could be used as a small defender as he has the tackling and the work rate to be decent at it.

Midfield is a little light but Harry, Sig, Berry, Scholl, Laird, Keays, Pedler and maybe the new 2022 class early on.
We need to find one or two speedy, line breaking mids to top it off.

We are ok and the next couple of drafts we need to get mids, a ruck and some key defenders.
 
was I mistaken or did fox show the 2023 R2 and R3 pick swap happening with st kilda when the pick swap actually occurred with the suns? I only realised this when I saw the AFL.com coverage this morning
 
Mutineer said:
Thilthorpe methinks will do a fair bit of ruck in coming years, not my preferred option but I suspect that's on the cards as he builds his strength.
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Yes, maybe Tex is already training up Thilthorpe in the art of rucking in the forward 50 and having snaps from the contest.
 
maxlilly said:
I just don't understand our drafting philosophy.
We've had top draft picks the last 4-5 years and we haven't drafted one prime midfielder in that time.
We continue to throw handfuls of draft picks at late pick midfielders who wont make it.
And we totally disregard our tall stocks even though they are mostly terrible
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OK put it on the line, who won't make it, none of these guys were 1st round picks Schoenberg, Berry, Soligo, Taylor, Nankervis, Dowling, Bond?

Who doesn't make it out of those lads?

Rachele then Jones and Pedlar who just scraped into the top 10 allowing for F/S and Academy picks?
 
Mutineer said:
OK put it on the line, who won't make it, none of these guys were 1st round picks Schoenberg, Berry, Soligo, Taylor, Nankervis, Dowling, Bond?

Who doesn't make it out of those lads?

Rachele then Jones and Pedlar who just scraped into the top 10 allowing for F/S and Academy picks?
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We run 5 midfielder and have 15 on our list.
So about ten wont make it
Jones and McHenry haven't become midfielders after being selected first round
Gallucci, Hately, Milera haven't made it

That's the problem, it's like throwing 15 darts at a board and hoping a couple hit the bullseye
Instead of targeting prime mids with your top picks
 

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Adelaide secured two big-bodied onballers on night two
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Dowling is a hard-working midfielder who averaged 31 disposals, seven marks, five tackles, five clearances and six inside 50s throughout the SANFL season, which was highlighted by an incredible 44-disposal, four-goal performance against Glenelg in Round 16.

“Billy has clearly been on our radar all the way through based on his leadership and performance for North Adelaide and his school,” Ogilvie said.

“He has high-level running power and elite endurance, elite ball-winning ability and has been able to kick goals as well.”

The Crows also traded up to secure Bond after completing a pick swap with Brisbane.

Adelaide received the Lions’ Pick 50 in exchange for its future third round selection which is tied to Geelong.

Bond – a former top-level rower – played 12 games for the Rebels this season and also represented Victoria Country.

“He’s a big, strong, mature kid, who loves the grind and has shown an ability to get through hard work with his rowing while playing footy all the way through,” Ogilvie said.

“He had a 16-tackle game this season so he loves the contest. He is very highly regarded by his coaches and teammates at Victoria Country and Ballarat so we are thrilled to have him.”
 
WaynesWorld19 said:
We had the chance to draft Keeler .....we deliberately chose not to take him ......and St Kilda Drafted him, that says everything

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Port also passed on him which is telling, preferred another SA tall forward/ruck Tom Scully.

Actually I think Port did well considering their range of picks especially Kyle Marshall's potential into the future, obviously will take time but plenty of WOW factor athletically and a pretty decent kick too.
 
Mutineer said:
Thilthorpe methinks will do a fair bit of ruck in coming years, not my preferred option but I suspect that's on the cards as he builds his strength.
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His comment on things he is working on this PS .....building his repeat jumping strength "to become a better Power Forward" ......lets hope this is the case
 
Mutineer said:
Port also passed on him which is telling, preferred another SA tall forward/ruck Tom Scully.

Actually I think Port did well considering their range of picks especially Kyle Marshall's potential into the future, obviously will take time but plenty of WOW factor athletically and a pretty decent kick too.
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McCallum a good pick on talent too, although I reckon Marshall is more of what they need as a 196cm+ KPD. McCallum probably more suited as a Jonas/Clurey successor
 
I really don't understand how Kobe Ryan can't even get a mention on this list, first question I've got for the club recruiters when I run into them next year at Mars is what they see in his game that they think doesn't measure up at the next level because he showed as an 18 year old he was well and truly up to SANFL League level, had a ripper game against our SANFL team full of AFL listed players playing in a very ordinary West Adelaide team.


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Mitch Szybkowski (Dandenong Stingrays/Calder Cannons)
Szybkowski was expected to drift but the inside midfielder’s slide was dramatic.
Billed as a potential top-20 prospect early on in the year, the AFL academy member shapes as a serious steal as a rookie.
The Stingrays prospect averaged 24 disposals and 102 ranking points for Vic Country at the national championships and is a serious steal as a rookie.
He may not have an elite athletic traits of other on-ballers in the pool, but he is consistent across the board as a strong bodied midfielder.
Geelong, Hawthorn, the Western Bulldogs and Melbourne and among the clubs to show interest in the 186cm ball-winner.

Sam Gilbey (Claremont)
Gilbey is another talented prospect whose draft year was severely interrupted.
The smooth mover from WA struggled with a bout of glandular fever early in 2022 before a broken leg ended his season.
But he’s been on the radar for a while now and recruiters are aware of his class, composure and decision making across halfback – or through the midfield, where he’s played in spurts.
Some were surprised to see him overlooked on the first two nights.


Jed Hagan (East Fremantle/WA)
Hagan may be small but his form has stacked up against men in the WAFL.
The 175cm utility shone up forward for East Fremantle, averaging 13.4 disposals, a goal and 79 ranking points against senior bodies and was named in the All-Australian side in defence at the national champs.
Hagan can be used all over the ground, is a clever ball-user and is clean at ground level.
Ethan Phillips (Port Melbourne VFL)
A mature-age 196cm intercepting defender, Phillips said on Tuesday he had nominated for “six or seven” drafts but was again overlooked in the national draft.
The 23-year-old had attracted some interest, after being named in the VFL Team of the Year and winning the state league competition’s Fothergill-Round-Mitchell Medal as the competition’s most promising young player this year.
The past 15 winners of that medal have found their way onto AFL lists, which Phillips will be hoping is a good omen for him entering the rookie draft.

Blake Drury (Oakleigh Chargers/Vic Metro)
Another small overlooked in the national draft, Drury impressed at the national carnival for Vic Metro.
His eye-catching display against SA showed just what he is capable of in a high half forward role, tallying 21 disposals, 12 score involvements and slotting two goals.
The Chargers product is a creative ball-user, has a high workrate and always finds a way to impact the contest.
Jaiden Magor (South Adelaide/SA)
The 185cm prospect entered the national draft as one of the more intriguing prospects, given his best – as an explosive, marking forward or a tough, ball-winning midfielder – was up there with any in this year’s pool.
But an injury in the first half of the national under-18 carnival opener which sidelined him for a number of weeks, and some consistency issues, might have worked against him in the national draft.
The talent and interest is there, however, and Magor could still find a home as a rookie

Jason Gillbee (Bendigo Pioneers/Allies)
Gillbee brings versatility and an elite aerobic base to the table, finishing equal first at the national champs in the 2km time trial with an eye-catching 5:54.
The 191cm prospect has played all over the ground this year but the wing is arguably his best position, where he can roam around the ground and take marks.
He is also a fantastic character and mature beyond his years, renting in Bendigo for his draft year away from his hometown of Balranald in country New South Wales.
Seth Campbell (Tasmania Devils/Allies)
Campbell was a late call-up to the national combine after piling on a staggering 10.6 in the Tasmania State League.
The small forward showcased his strong endurance base at the combine, running a 6:25 2km time trial and he uses his running capacity to have an impact up the ground.
The Tasmanian averaged 19 disposals, four tackles and a goal per game in the NAB League, including a stunning six-goal haul against NT Thunder.
Adam D’Aloia (Eagles/SA)
The SA ball magnet couldn’t do much more.
He starred as a bottom-ager for South Australia and the Eagles at under-18 level, and put up more big numbers this year, with only Will Ashcroft averaging more ranking points at the national carnival.
Clubs have concerns about his ability to hurt the opposition, and his lack of speed, but D’Aloia is strong and clean around the ball and boasts exceptional leadership qualities.
The Bulldogs, Hawthorn, Essendon and Fremantle were in the mix for the SA teenager ahead of the national draft.

Luke Teal (Oakleigh Chargers/Vic Metro)
A member of the NAB AFL Academy at the start of the year, Teal endured a rocky 2022 which included suffering a broken collarbone.
However, the 189cm rebounding defender or wingman put his best foot forward when he did get out on the field and showed his abilities one-on-one and that he has a penetrating kick when he wins the ball back.
He is the son of Robert Teal, who played 18 games for Sydney in 1989 and 1990.
Nick Sadler (Sturt)
Some view Sadler as one of the best kicks in this year’s crop.
Add to that a great combination of speed and endurance, versatility and the ability to hit the scoreboard, and there is a lot to like.
The goalkicking midfielder, who was invited to the national combine, has enough desirable traits to be in the mix to be taken as a rookie.
Will Verrall (South Adelaide)
The South Adelaide big man finished the year with a bang, averaging a huge 146 ranking points in the final six SANFL under-18 minor round matches and impressing at the national combine, where he recorded the second-highest running vertical jump.
His struggles in the 2km time trial didn’t go unnoticed, but given the lack of ruckman taken in the national draft, Verrall, who had an impressive bottom-age season too, is still a chance in the rookie draft.
Melbourne, who was unsuccessful in its attempt to trade up for another SA big man in Harry Barnett, Geelong and Collingwood are clubs believed to have some interest.
Olivier Northam (Geelong Falcons/Vic Country)
A 197cm ruckman-forward, Northam has a strong leap and is a mobile and agile big man who follows up his work in the air well at ground level.
He is super competitive in the air when playing forward and impressed for the Falcons in the NAB League as well as playing all four games of the under-18 national championships for Vic Country.
Oscar Murdoch (Geelong Falcons/Vic Country)
The 190cm defender – who is quick off the mark, reads the play well and is strong defensively – was ranked first for intercept possessions at the national combine with 8.7 per game.
In his final championships game the Falcons product won 13 of his 15 possessions off the opposition, including three intercept marks.
Vic Country and Falcons coach Paul Corrigan believes he plays like Dane Rampe and he could appeal to clubs looking for a versatile defender.

Harry Cole (Claremont/WA)
A 187cm forward, Cole has clean hands and is a dangerous player around goals.
In one under-18 national championships game against Vic Metro this year, he kicked 2.3 from 10 disposals in what was an ‘almost’ day.
Cole captained his school team at Hale and tested well at the national draft combine.

ACADEMY/FATHER-SON PROSPECTS​

Anthony Munkara (West Adelaide/Allies)
A member of the NAB AFL Academy squad this year, the 187cm forward had impressed for Australia’s under-18 side against Collingwood’s VFL team back in May.
He has a big leap and great speed, making him a dangerous prospect at the attacking end.
While he wasn’t selected in the national draft, Essendon has added him to their list as a Category B rookie given he had been a member of the club’s Next Generation Academy.

Osca Riccardi (Geelong Falcons/Vic Country)
The son of 288-game Geelong champion Peter, the midfielder produced a solid NAB League season this year and also featured in one VFL game for the Cats in August.
While he is small in size at 177cm, he has good footy smarts and brings a strong athletic profile.
Geelong has committed to selecting Riccardi in the rookie draft.
Ted Clohesy (Geelong Falcons/Vic Country)
A tough and competitive 184cm midfielder, Clohesy starred for the Falcons in the NAB League and also played three games for Vic Country in the under-18 national championships.
He also has strong leadership traits – having served as vice-captain of the Falcons – and can go into attack and provide some great forward pressure.
Geelong has committed to selecting Clohesy in the rookie draft.
He has been a member of the Cats Next Generation Academy.
Nick Madden (Giants Academy/Allies)
At 204cm and 112kg, Madden is a competitive ruck who doesn’t mind throwing his weight around.
The Giants Academy prospect was one of the best performed ruckmen at the national championships, averaging 14 disposals and 16 hit-outs, and played two games at VFL level for the Giants.
Madden is a ready-made size but will need to build his tank before being considered at the next level
GWS has committed to adding the academy ruck as a Category B rookie.
Shadeau Brain (Brisbane Lions Academy/Allies)
A 186cm forward with a rock star name, Brain caught the eye during three national championships matches for the Allies this year.
He also played three VFL games for Brisbane, having been a member of the club’s Academy for the past two years after relocating from New South Wales.
Fascinatingly, Brain is the 11th of 13 children in his family.
He models his game on Richmond forward Shai Bolton.

Tyrell Dewar (Subiaco/WA)
A 183cm small forward, Dewar has drawn comparisons to West Coast premiership forward Liam Ryan.
He particularly caught the eye in Western Australia’s last game of the under-18 national championships against South Australia when he booted two goals from 13 disposals and five marks in attack.
Dewar has impressive speed and natural goal sense.
A member of West Coast’s Next Generation Academy, the Eagles can list him as a Category B rookie.
Lloyd Johnson (Northern Territory Thunder/Allies)
An exciting 185cm defender out of the Northern Territory, Johnson has been part of the Gold Coast Suns Academy which means the club can pick him up as a Category B rookie.
The Indigenous talent is exciting in the air and has blistering speed, which he put on show in the 20m sprint test at the national draft combine.
He also played two VFL games for the Suns this year.
Angus McLennan (Sandringham Dragons/Sandringham VFL
While they were unable to snare Cam Mackenzie through their Next Generation Academy, the Saints are set to secure forgotten defender Angus McLennan as a Category B rookie.
McLennan has endured a wretched run with injury but the 19-year-old has shown promise this year for St Kilda’s VFL affiliate the Sandringham Zebras and in the NAB League.
He has been described as a natural footballer and averaged 9.5 disposals and 1.5 intercept marks in his four VFL matches at the back-end of the season.
Other academy/father-sons: Jordyn Baker (West Coast NGA), Nathan Barkla (Port Adelaide NGA), Conrad Williams (Fremantle NGA), Will Edwards (Swans Academy)
 
Tall timber is still available in the rookie draft like Will Verrall, Jackson Broadbent, Nick Madden, Oscar Steene, Felix Fogarty and Toby Murray.

As well as KPD prospects Ryan Eyres, Shaun Bennier, Brodie Tuck, Will Edwards, Oscar Kregar and mature ager Ethan Phillips.
 
maxlilly said:
I just don't understand our drafting philosophy.
We've had top draft picks the last 4-5 years and we haven't drafted one prime midfielder in that time.
We continue to throw handfuls of draft picks at late pick midfielders who wont make it.
And we totally disregard our tall stocks even though they are mostly terrible
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It's an interesting one to unpack;

We started the rebuild under the Nicks era with the strategy to fill the spine first - CHB in McAsey and CHF in Thilthorpe. Given talls take longer to develop, this is a strategy I thought was solid, with all the more contrast by North Melbourne going the opposite, to get talent into the midfield and work out from there.

We have been picking up mids with second round picks (with the exception of Pedlar (pick 11) - and really missed out when we drafted McAsey instead of Serong.

However, having done this tall strategy, it seemed we should have been looking for mids the past two years - but in 2021 there were no mids available so we picked up Rachelle - and I would challenge anybody to provide a better alternative that is not Callaghan (who went before our pick).

This year was the one, we could have had any number of quality mids (Humphrey, MacKenzie, Phillipou) - but we moved into part 2 of the rebuild strategy - trade for experienced and proven quality. So there goes our mid option, but we got in a guaranteed (as much as is possible in AFL) class and quality in Rankine.

In this time, we have only missed once - McAsey to Serong. At the time I personally approved (not that anybody asked), particularly given the trend for tall forwards all becoming more mobile, coordinated forwards - King at St Kilda for example. This is our opposition that we need to counter.

We still haven't answered that, I'm hoping Cox (free agent 2024) or someone else quality/ experienced will be recruited now that we know McAsey won't make it.

Our mids are 'stacked' with medium talent - Berry, Soligo, and Schoenberg forming a future, hopefully with Pedlar - still very short. I think there is an ok argument that says a midfield of second rounders can keep up with a midfield of first rounders, but it only really applies during the home and away (this is based on locking down the first rounders with hard grunt and teamwork that a second round group can provide - the counter is that once they get off the leash they will damage hard and quickly).

Our forwards are looking excellent.

Our backs are partial - but we can still recruit into this to fill the holes, but I think 50-80% is there.

I'd agree that we have failed in getting a prime midfielder. JHF would have been chased, he came home a year early for us. We now have put all our eggs into next year, we need to recruit another top ten mid next year. Obviously the drums will beat loudly from SA and BF for Ashton Moir, but will he be the mid we need (listed as an exceptional half forward)? Would we take a Duursma over Moir?

Executing next year is now shaping as the most important step of the whole draft strategy, particularly if we have another f/s in 2024. Fortunately we have a good draft hand to execute. Do we trust the team to get a gun mid? Might depend on how we develop this year, and if Rachelle/ Rankine + Dawson can make the move into mid, allowing room for Moir.

Lastly ruck is needed, but not a first rounder.
 
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Mutineer said:
Tall timber is still available in the rookie draft like Will Verrall, Jackson Broadbent, Nick Madden, Oscar Steene, Felix Fogarty and Toby Murray.

As well as KPD prospects Ryan Eyres, Shaun Bennier, Brodie Tuck, Will Edwards, Oscar Kregar and mature ager Ethan Phillips.
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If only we had a rookie spot for one of them:huh:
 

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