List Mgmt. 2022 AFL Draft Discussion

[Scorpus]

Our draft haul:

Pick 17 - Max Michalanney (matched F/S)
Pick 43 - Billy Dowling
Pick 50 - Hugh Bond

Rookie Pick 5 - Andrew McPherson

36

Andrew Mcpherson

Age

25

Ht

187cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.5

3star

K

6.0

2star

HB

4.5

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.5

3star

MG

118.5

2star

D

10.5

3star

K

6.0

2star

HB

4.5

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.5

2star

MG

118.5

2star

D

10.5

3star

K

6.0

3star

HB

4.5

4star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.5

4star

MG

118.5

2star

(re-listed)
Rookie Pick 21 - Paul Seedsman

11

Paul Seedsman

Age

32

Ht

190cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

18.3

5star

K

10.7

4star

HB

7.6

5star

M

3.9

4star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.5

4star

D

15.8

4star

K

8.2

3star

HB

7.6

4star

M

2.4

3star

T

4.4

5star

CL

1.8

4star

D

19.8

5star

K

14.0

5star

HB

5.8

4star

M

4.4

4star

T

2.6

4star

CL

1.4

4star

(re-listed)

 

[AFC979810]

And this is the thing - we have a league-average ruck (ROB isn’t crap, but he isn’t exactly good right now either) and a below-average midfield. Hence we’re struggling

Given ROB’s realistically going to spend another four years in our best 22 (barring a trade for a better ruck), the midfield development needs to be a primary focus. It’s getting there, but it’s got a way to go

ROB is serviceable in an unimportant position. Straaaaawnie will be just as serviceable.

We were the #3 clearance team behind the Lions and Bulldogs in 2022.

Us worrying about a ruckman right now is like worrying about trying to fix a scratch on the bumper of a car that doesn't have an engine.

 

[Mutineer]

I wonder if Paul Seedsman

11

Paul Seedsman

Age

32

Ht

190cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

18.3

5star

K

10.7

4star

HB

7.6

5star

M

3.9

4star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.5

4star

D

15.8

4star

K

8.2

3star

HB

7.6

4star

M

2.4

3star

T

4.4

5star

CL

1.8

4star

D

19.8

5star

K

14.0

5star

HB

5.8

4star

M

4.4

4star

T

2.6

4star

CL

1.4

4star

will go into coaching like Sam Shaw who took Xavier College to the APS Premiership last year and won 8 of their 10 games to finish 3rd this year?

 

[Jeffcrowe]

I am not saying we have to use a high pick on a ruckman, I’m saying we should have a developing ruckman on our list. Our current ruckman was a rookie.

Now that Melbourne drafted Verrall, it’s only Collingwood and us without a ruckman under 25 and one of 4 clubs without an under 22 ruckman.

But hey, we are a highly successful club consistently making good decisions, maybe we will start a trend.

Gotta admit it hurts to see melb draft Verrall onto the rookie list while we traded in to get Bond

Maybe there was something about him we just didn’t like

I wonder if we had Knobel on our board at all , feels like we had Barnett but not as high as he was taken

 

[Thetrader15]

An unfortunately predictable end to another underwhelming trade/draft period

Underwhelming? A pretty reasonable job IMO.

5, 23, 40, 23/3, 23/4 into Rankine, Michalanney, Dowling, Bond, and 23/2 (north)

5 = Rankine
23, 40 into Michalanney and 23/2 (north)
23/3 and 23/4 into Dowling and Bond

Did we get a ruck? No
Did we get Philippou? No

But it looks more than acceptable.

 

[Mutineer]

Gotta admit it hurts to see melb draft Verrall onto the rookie list while we traded in to get Bond

Maybe there was something about him we just didn’t like

I wonder if we had Knobel on our board at all , feels like we had Barnett but not as high as he was taken

Might pay to wait a couple of years before passing judgement?

 

[Thetrader15]

Gotta admit it hurts to see melb draft Verrall onto the rookie list while we traded in to get Bond

Maybe there was something about him we just didn’t like

I wonder if we had Knobel on our board at all , feels like we had Barnett but not as high as he was taken

Or we couldn't get back into the draft this year. Verrall to the Dees - it's a long way back for him to get a game, you'd think he was at least 4 years before he'd be pushing for selection with Gawn and Grundy on the list.

 

[Danger in Texas]

ROB is serviceable in an unimportant position. Straaaaawnie will be just as serviceable.

We were the #3 clearance team behind the Lions and Bulldogs in 2022.

Us worrying about a ruckman right now is like worrying about trying to fix a scratch on the bumper of a car that doesn't have an engine.

I get that, but if we're keeping a serviceable ruckman in the side (no qualms), we need to focus on getting at least one top-end midfield talent. We also need to be finding as much quality, best 22 midfield depth as possible (we seem to be doing this part alright)

As I said, the ruck should be considered part of the midfield depth - it's great if you have a high-quality one, and okay if you have an average one, as long as your midfield rotation runs deep in quality

We also need to know, if we're not drafting a ruckman any time soon, that we'll be able to trade for one around the 2026-mark, once ROB gets old

 

[George Kramer]

Or we couldn't get back into the draft this year. Verrall to the Dees - it's a long way back for him to get a game, you'd think he was at least 4 years before he'd be pushing for selection with Gawn and Grundy on the list.

And yet they still drafted him.

Why couldn’t we get back in to the draft there? We wanted everyone on the list? Or did having contracted players we didn’t want hurt us?

 

[Danger in Texas]

Or we couldn't get back into the draft this year. Verrall to the Dees - it's a long way back for him to get a game, you'd think he was at least 4 years before he'd be pushing for selection with Gawn and Grundy on the list.

Either way, Verrall is a long-term project, needs to lift his endurance levels

If he ends up good, he should be ready by the time Gawn retires

 

[AFC979810]

I am not saying we have to use a high pick on a ruckman, I’m saying we should have a developing ruckman on our list. Our current ruckman was a rookie.

Now that Melbourne drafted Verrall, it’s only Collingwood and us without a ruckman under 25 and one of 4 clubs without an under 22 ruckman.

But hey, we are a highly successful club consistently making good decisions, maybe we will start a trend.

I get the frustration you have with the club. Plenty to rage about.

What I don't get is how that creeps into absolutely every aspect of your posting. With where we are as a club, you really think that having a skinny 200cm player that won't play for 6 years is an issue to be worried about / upset about right now?

 

[GrommoT]

I get that, but if we're keeping a serviceable ruckman in the side (no qualms), we need to focus on getting at least one top-end midfield talent. We also need to be finding as much quality, best 22 midfield depth as possible (we seem to be doing this part alright)

As I said, the ruck should be considered part of the midfield depth - it's great if you have a high-quality one, and okay if you have an average one, as long as your midfield rotation runs deep in quality

We also need to know, if we're not drafting a ruckman any time soon, that we'll be able to trade for one around the 2026-mark, once ROB gets old

He's already gotten old for quite a few, I'd say

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Might pay to wait a couple of years before passing judgement?

Oh yeah , I’m not saying I’m right … just liked Verrall alot ( as you did )

Rucks will come to us when they think there’s a game for them , plenty of time still

 

[crow2crow]

Gotta admit it hurts to see melb draft Verrall onto the rookie list while we traded in to get Bond

Maybe there was something about him we just didn’t like

I wonder if we had Knobel on our board at all , feels like we had Barnett but not as high as he was taken

this is what annoys me about hamish and reid

its not about particular players its about bargains ie what draft capital you pay for the player at the ranking you have

again what worries me is this is very much binuk in the drivers seat using data science not us using picks to get the players we need

clearly though they didnt rate verall or keeler or we would have had them

 

[Mutineer]

Or we couldn't get back into the draft this year. Verrall to the Dees - it's a long way back for him to get a game, you'd think he was at least 4 years before he'd be pushing for selection with Gawn and Grundy on the list.

Goes alright up forward as well.

Ben Brown and Maxxy both not getting any younger and Weideman traded out, Matthew Jefferson a fair way away from a KPF's body....Verrall already a big boy.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Either way, Verrall is a long-term project, needs to lift his endurance levels

If he ends up good, he should be ready by the time Gawn retires

Or he doesn’t get a game due to Grundy and we trade for him

It’s not the end of the world

 

[Danger in Texas]

Or he doesn’t get a game due to Grundy and we trade for him

It’s not the end of the world

If Grundy's still firing by 2025/26 it could be a chance, I guess

 

[Redleg Crow]

With the draft all done, here's the drafts since 2007

 

[Mutineer]

Oh yeah , I’m not saying I’m right … just liked Verrall alot ( as you did )

Rucks will come to us when they think there’s a game for them , plenty of time still

I liked both Verrall and Bond, obviously list management are happy enough to go with ROB and Strachan who aren't exactly in the veteran class just yet and Thilthorpe and Himmelberg aren't hopeless if absolutely required.

I'd really like to have have a developing ruck on the books and Verrall was an opportunity for not a lot of capital as it turned out.
Maybe Seedsman goes onto the LTI list? McAsey?

Maybe we look at Oscar Steene as a train on?

 

[George Kramer]

I get the frustration you have with the club. Plenty to rage about.

What I don't get is how that creeps into absolutely every aspect of your posting. With where we are as a club, you really think that having a skinny 200cm player that won't play for 6 years is an issue to be worried about / upset about right now?

It doesn’t creep into absolutely every aspect of my posting, that’s just bullshit.

Do you know why I am raising the lack of a developing ruck right now? Because guess what, we’ve just had the draft!! Knock me down with a feather that I should raise the list imbalance when we’ve just drafted more mids.

What I really should be posting about now is how good Sloaneys hair looks.

But as a club we have made many poor decisions and this is IMO is another example of one, my evidence? We are only one of 2 clubs without a ruck under 25 years old, but maybe we are the smart ones.

 

[AFC979810]

I get that, but if we're keeping a serviceable ruckman in the side (no qualms), we need to focus on getting at least one top-end midfield talent. We also need to be finding as much quality, best 22 midfield depth as possible (we seem to be doing this part alright)

As I said, the ruck should be considered part of the midfield depth - it's great if you have a high-quality one, and okay if you have an average one, as long as your midfield rotation runs deep in quality

We also need to know, if we're not drafting a ruckman any time soon, that we'll be able to trade for one around the 2026-mark, once ROB gets old

Always a market for cheap ruckman -

Richmond got Nankervis for pick 46
We got Sam Jacobs for picks 33 and 61
Geelong got Rhys Stanley & pick 60 for Pick 21

Grand Finalist Sydney traded for Tom Hickey (and Picks 34 & 60) - for 58,62 a future 2nd and future 3rd.

 

[AFC979810]

It doesn’t creep into absolutely every aspect of my posting, that’s just bullshit.

Do you know why I am raising the lack of a developing ruck right now? Because guess what, we’ve just had the draft!! Knock me down with a feather that I should raise the list imbalance when we’ve just drafted more mids.

What I really should be posting about now is how good Sloaneys hair looks.

But as a club we have made many poor decisions and this is IMO is another example of one, my evidence? We are only one of 2 clubs without a ruck under 25 years old, but maybe we are the smart ones.

The other team in the same position us don't seem too dumb. Weren't they a kick away from the Grand Final 2 months ago?

It's not bullshit

 

[Danger in Texas]

Always a market for cheap ruckman -

Richmond got Nankervis for pick 46
We got Sam Jacobs for picks 33 and 61
Geelong got Rhys Stanley & pick 60 for Pick 21

Grand Finalist Sydney traded for Tom Hickey (and Picks 34 & 60) - for 58,62 a future 2nd and future 3rd.

No argument with that

I guess it'd also be nice to have a young ruck on the list on the off chance they turn into a league-best one, but we mustn't have seen any in this draft as worthy of the pick value we would've needed to pay

 

[jackster83]

Broadbent didn't get drafted. Could be an option for a SSP pick.

 

[NTRabbit]

Underwhelming? A pretty reasonable job IMO.

5, 23, 40, 23/3, 23/4 into Rankine, Michalanney, Dowling, Bond, and 23/2 (north)

5 = Rankine
23, 40 into Michalanney and 23/2 (north)
23/3 and 23/4 into Dowling and Bond

Did we get a ruck? No
Did we get Philippou? No

But it looks more than acceptable.

We gave up almost all of the draft capital that comes with finishing a win out of the bottom 4 solving none of our chronic problems, and held onto never will be and past it players so strongly that we used up two rookie draft picks getting two of them back.

Underwhelming was charitable

 

[morris086]

So we let Verrall do his apprenticeship under the two best rucks in the last decade and then we bring him back in around 4 years right?