List Mgmt. 2022 AFL Draft Discussion

[Scorpus]

Our draft haul:

Pick 17 - Max Michalanney (matched F/S)
Pick 43 - Billy Dowling
Pick 50 - Hugh Bond

Rookie Pick 5 - Andrew McPherson

36

Andrew Mcpherson

Age

25

Ht

187cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.5

3star

K

6.0

2star

HB

4.5

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.5

3star

MG

118.5

2star

D

10.5

3star

K

6.0

2star

HB

4.5

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.5

2star

MG

118.5

2star

D

10.5

3star

K

6.0

3star

HB

4.5

4star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.5

4star

MG

118.5

2star

(re-listed)
Rookie Pick 21 - Paul Seedsman

11

Paul Seedsman

Age

32

Ht

190cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

18.3

5star

K

10.7

4star

HB

7.6

5star

M

3.9

4star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.5

4star

D

15.8

4star

K

8.2

3star

HB

7.6

4star

M

2.4

3star

T

4.4

5star

CL

1.8

4star

D

19.8

5star

K

14.0

5star

HB

5.8

4star

M

4.4

4star

T

2.6

4star

CL

1.4

4star

(re-listed)

 

[Crow till I die]

Don't know

It would be good if they are into him as he is a player that has a skillset that we could most certainly us....AND he was a big crows fan before being drafted

If you hear anything on this front, please drop a hint or 2

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

You say these things, when you know you're about to be drafted to a VIC club

It's like job interviews .....you say what you think your future employer wants to hear

Yep, just look at JHF

 

[Mutineer]

It was no use holding pick #5, if Phillipou goes at #4 ....it made more sense to trade #5 for Rankine, then trade back-in depending on where Phillipou was likely to get taken on Draft night

So we miss target #1 ......hopefully we can manage a way to get target #2

And that is exactly what we've done and in process the Phillipou camp and his manager Ned Costello know we really rate the lad.....for future reference.
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[CROW in BALI]

Late this afternoon, Cal's Phantom will be released

Will be interesting to see if he includes a live trade call in his phantom, think he has in the past .

 

[Mostyn]

What don't you get Rankine was prioritised over Phillipou because at that point Phillipou was not being talked about as a high end draft pick.

It's obvious what I don't get. I don't get people who are speculating on what the club supposedly believes, when it's contradicted by what the club is doing.

Don't listen to what the club says, or what rumours you hear.

Watch what the club does. They offered pick 5 the first chance they got and didn't try to keep it or find other options for Rankine.

I think the club's actions say a lot.

 

[Mostyn]

It will all come out in the wash. The whos, the whats, the whys etc.

I've never been inclined to come on here and start baseless rumours

Neither has Volbeat, to be fair.

 

[Mostyn]

It's not quite right. On talent Hamish has always had MP in the top few and always expected him to go top 5, even top 3 prior to the trades and order being shuffled.

Then we are the most amateur hour club in the AFL, and folks should be sacked.

Reid offered up pick five the first chance he got, and that makes zero sense if we were still pursuing Phillipou and didn't think there were red flags about him.

Perhaps there's a disconnect between Reid and Hamish, because I know Reid isn't 100% in on Phillipou.

 

[Big Dub]

Relationships with other clubs is why we have been bent over in the past and never reciprocated in return.

I'd say it's more relationships with player agents that matters.

If we are a club that gets deals done with minimum fuss, player agents are more likely to recommend us to their players. If we create a stressful situation for players, drag them to or through the PSD or worst of all fail to get a deal done, player agents will warn players that this is a risk with us.

If we want to get players to join us, we need to make sure players trust us to make it easy for them to move.

Ratugolea and Graham probably didn't enjoy their experiences this year, Rankine did.

 

[Mostyn]

It was no use holding pick #5, if Phillipou goes at #4 ....it made more sense to trade #5 for Rankine, then trade back-in depending on where Phillipou was likely to get taken on Draft night

So we miss target #1 ......hopefully we can manage a way to get target #2

When we traded it, not a single human on the planet thought Phillipou was going at 4. Reid knew what he was trading.

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

When we traded it, not a single human on the planet thought Phillipou was going at 4. Reid knew what he was trading.

Not really . Months ago Plillipou was considered top 5 comfortably then phantoms had him slide, and now he’s in the top 5 again.

 

[Mutineer]

When we traded it, not a single human on the planet thought Phillipou was going at 4. Reid knew what he was trading.

You've just made my case...thanks.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

When we traded it, not a single human on the planet thought Phillipou was going at 4. Reid knew what he was trading.

That wasn't the point though .....we held the stronger of the two Draft Assets, F1, preferring to use #5

Correct, we didn't know where Phillipou's final Draft range would be .....maybe the club felt it might be in that pick #8-12 range

So the Club uses #5 on a "known" elite talent ....bird in the hand thinking .....then orchestrates a 2nd F2 pick from NORTH
You could argue that 2nd F2 was to be used for next year's Draft ......OR you could believe that it gave us capital to come back into this years Draft

The point of the Phillipou being grabbed at pick #4, simply was to demonstrate, if we had held #5 and used next years F1, we're still wouldn't get Phillipou ......BUT if Phillipou was to be available at #8-#12, we could have use 2023 assets to grab him .....CARL's #10 gettable

 

[Mutineer]

That wasn't the point though .....we held the stronger of the two Draft Assets, F1, preferring to use #5

Correct, we didn't know where Phillipou's final Draft range would be .....maybe the club felt it might be in that pick #8-12 range

So the Club uses #5 on a "known" elite talent ....bird in the hand thinking .....then orchestrates a 2nd F2 pick from NORTH
You could argue that 2nd F2 was to be used for next year's Draft ......OR you could believe that it gave us capital to come back into this years Draft

The point of the Phillipou being grabbed at pick #4, simply was to demonstrate, if we had held #5 and used next years F1, we're still wouldn't get Phillipou ......BUT if Phillipou was to be available at #8-#12, we could have use 2023 assets to grab him .....CARL's #10 gettable

Correct Twomey had Phillipou at 11 in his Phantom after the Championships

 

[Tex Danger]

If we think our F1 is worth more than our pick 5 then maybe others agree. Maybe our F1 we considered easier to use to trade to above 5 eith

Or maybe other clubs rate our 2023 prospects better than we do our own!

 

[Crow till I die]

That wasn't the point though .....we held the stronger of the two Draft Assets, F1, preferring to use #5

Correct, we didn't know where Phillipou's final Draft range would be .....maybe the club felt it might be in that pick #8-12 range

So the Club uses #5 on a "known" elite talent ....bird in the hand thinking .....then orchestrates a 2nd F2 pick from NORTH
You could argue that 2nd F2 was to be used for next year's Draft ......OR you could believe that it gave us capital to come back into this years Draft

The point of the Phillipou being grabbed at pick #4, simply was to demonstrate, if we had held #5 and used next years F1, we're still wouldn't get Phillipou ......BUT if Phillipou was to be available at #8-#12, we could have use 2023 assets to grab him .....CARL's #10 gettable

Its interesting and whats done is done, but I wonder had it been our noisy neighbours in our position, how would their team have played it. I don't think it would have been out of the question that they might have looked at a multiclub trade to secure Rankine whilst still maintaining a very high end pick in this years draft - use picks 5, 23 and F1 and try and work other clubs in so GC still got a great pick or combination of good picks at the end. Its all guess work but they just seem to throw everything they have to get to the position they want

We have landed Rankine and that is huge..massive tick. But we are likely to fall short of MP and it goes into the bag of what might have been had we explored every option

 

[Mutineer]

Its interesting and whats done is done, but I wonder had it been our noisy neighbours in our position, how would their team have played it. I don't think it would have been out of the question that they might have looked at a multiclub trade to secure Rankine whilst still maintaining a very high end pick in this years draft - use picks 5, 23 and F1 and try and work other clubs in so GC still got a great pick or combination of good picks at the end. Its all guess work but they just seem to throw everything they have to get to the position they want

We have landed Rankine and that is huge..massive tick. But we are likely to fall short of MP and it goes into the bag of what might have been had we explored every option

Dreaming again...

 

[George Kramer]

C4[2]Yo`DooR who get good intel posted Essendon have decided on Phillipou, not that it’s a surprise but odds are he’s gone before our pick.

That being the case the only trade up would be for a later pick to grab Barnett or someone similar so we keep our 2023 first rounder.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Its interesting and whats done is done, but I wonder had it been our noisy neighbours in our position, how would their team have played it. I don't think it would have been out of the question that they might have looked at a multiclub trade to secure Rankine whilst still maintaining a very high end pick in this years draft - use picks 5, 23 and F1 and try and work other clubs in so GC still got a great pick or combination of good picks at the end. Its all guess work but they just seem to throw everything they have to get to the position they want

We have landed Rankine and that is huge..massive tick. But we are likely to fall short of MP and it goes into the bag of what might have been had we explored every option

Didn't PORT trade out their pick #8 in similar circumstances to us, for JHF .....thus giving up all chance to get Phillipou

So it seems both Clubs have gone the bird in the hand approach

 

[Crow till I die]

Dreaming again...

Why..was there not one club that would have been open to swapping a top 10 pick for our F1 in what most are saying is a stronger draft? if so, then we could have satisfied GC with a top 10 pick and used 5 and 23 (or the F2 north traded to us for it) to try for pick 4?

It would be nice to know that the club had really delved into every possible option and if they still came up short so be it

 

[George Kramer]

Dreaming again...

They have a history of wheeling and dealing and getting deals done. Why would it shock you? Is it because they are an opposition club and not the lauded Hamish Ogilvie and Justin Reid?

 

[Crow till I die]

Didn't PORT trade out their pick #8 in similar circumstances to us, for JHF .....thus giving up all chance to get Phillipou

So it seems both Clubs have gone the bird in the hand approach

I was meaning if they wanted Rankine and Phillipou how woudl they have played it with our draft hand..it was a hypothetical but they just seem to get deals done to get them where they want

Look at the JHF deal - they seemed short on what was needed yet somehow they pulled it off

 

[George Kramer]

Didn't PORT trade out their pick #8 in similar circumstances to us, for JHF .....thus giving up all chance to get Phillipou

So it seems both Clubs have gone the bird in the hand approach

He is saying in our position, we didn’t trade for JHF

 

[Mutineer]

Why..was there not one club that would have been open to swapping a top 10 pick for our F1 in what most are saying is a stronger draft? if so, then we could have satisfied GC with a top 10 pick and used 5 and 23 (or the F2 north traded to us for it) to try for pick 4?

It would be nice to know that the club had really delved into every possible option and if they still came up short so be it

You don't know what Reid and co have done in the background re Rankine and what they did behind closed doors before settling on pick 5, maybe it will all come out what we actually did re Rankine and Phillipou....it is known we have put a very good offer to Essendon for their 2022 1st rounder but it has been knocked back. Even if Essendon pass on Phillipou we cannot trade with the GCS to get ahead of the Hawks because they hold our original pick.

 

[crow2crow]

What don't you get Rankine was prioritised over Phillipou because at that point Phillipou was not being talked about as a high end draft pick.

that knightmare guy had phillipou at no1 from early out hes still got him at 2 i think

 

[TAFKATMS]

Neither has Volbeat, to be fair.

If Volbeat was here he'd verify what I have said, I have no doubt given I know his source.

I don't care if you don't believe what I've posted. You'll know soon enough and hopefully from then on you'll elevate me to the pantheon in which you hold Volbeat