List Mgmt. 2022 AFL Draft Discussion

what do we do?

  • trade back in with a future first and take phillipou

  • trade back in with a future second and take barnett

  • trade back in with a future second for someone else

  • only take MM and keep the other spot for PSD/rookie

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Our draft haul:

Pick 17 - Max Michalanney (matched F/S)
Pick 43 - Billy Dowling
Pick 50 - Hugh Bond

Rookie Pick 5 - Andrew McPherson (re-listed)
Rookie Pick 21 - Paul Seedsman (re-listed)
 
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So if I have everything tracked correctly, here is the washup.

Crows traded out:
Pick 5
Pick 23
2023 2nd round (Adelaide)
2023 3rd round (Adelaide)
2023 4th round (Adelaide)
Billy Frampton

Crows gained:
2023 2nd round (North)
2023 2nd round (Gold Coast)
Izak Rankine
Max Michalanney
Billy Dowling
Hugh Bond




So our draft hand next year is currently our first round pick, and the two second round picks, with nothing in the 3rd or 4th rounds.
 
We also essentially traded Frampton (plus steak knives we weren't going to use from matching the Michalanney bid) for Dowling, Bond and swapping our 2023 2nd round pick for Gold Coast's 2023 2nd round pick.

That could turn into an absolute trash for treasure scenario, especially if we're able to leapfrog Gold Coast on the ladder next year.

Edit: If you want to go even further back, we originally got Frampton for the pick we received for trading out a washed up Sam Jacobs.
 
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Hope Kobe Ryan gets picked up on our rookie list. His SANFL league debut was against us and he had 22 disposals, 2 goals and high in the best players. Although primarily a mid, he can also play forward and down back, so is versatile as well.
 

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cmndstab said:
So if I have everything tracked correctly, here is the washup.

Crows traded out:
Pick 5
Pick 23
2023 2nd round (Adelaide)
2023 3rd round (Adelaide)
2023 4th round (Adelaide)
Billy Frampton

Crows gained:
2023 2nd round (North)
2023 2nd round (Gold Coast)
Izak Rankine
Max Michalanney
Billy Dowling
Hugh Bond




So our draft hand next year is currently our first round pick, and the two second round picks, with nothing in the 3rd or 4th rounds.
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Those 2023 picks could be 9, 19, 23 in a strong draft. REALLY happy with that.

3 good players, OR some room to combine 9 and 19 to move up if we want, OR trading the first pick on the second night could be lucrative.
 
Draft Bored said:
Those 2023 picks could be 9, 19, 23 in a strong draft. REALLY happy with that.

3 good players, OR some room to combine 9 and 19 to move up if we want, OR trading the first pick on the second night could be lucrative.
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Would be 5, 19 and 25 under the 2022 ladder and I'm (unfortunately) inclined to think we have one more year placing similarly.

Very strong hand in a promising draft is great. Wouldn't be surprised to see us shift some picks from 2024 to 2023, especially if Welsh is tracking well and the club is set to improve. We should have a few more spots to fill than this year.
 
cmndstab said:
So if I have everything tracked correctly, here is the washup.

Crows traded out:
Pick 5
Pick 23
2023 2nd round (Adelaide)
2023 3rd round (Adelaide)
2023 4th round (Adelaide)
Billy Frampton

Crows gained:
2023 2nd round (North)
2023 2nd round (Gold Coast)
Izak Rankine
Max Michalanney
Billy Dowling
Hugh Bond




So our draft hand next year is currently our first round pick, and the two second round picks, with nothing in the 3rd or 4th rounds.
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Matt Crouch will probably get us back into the 4th round. Lol.

A live trade on the night - we give a 2024 3rd and receive a 2023 3rd is a very crow-like thing to do until the end of time too.

5 picks in total seems about right for us next year, considering there’s a bunch of obvious delistings. Off the top of my head, I don’t think there’s much chance that any of McAsey, Crouch, Seedsman, McPherson, Hately, Turner, Borlase or Newchurch are still at the club in 2024 (Turner might be gone sooner). It’s also entirely possible that one or both of Sloane and Walker can’t go on for another year (especially if injury strikes). It’s also possible that someone like a Sholl or Murphy is moved on too. Maybe someone I haven’t named requests a trade - we’re probably due for that. Despite not all of these players occupying senior list spots, we are clearly positioning ourselves for a bit of an assault on the 2023 draft.

Elite mid with the first rounder clearly has to be the plan - we just don’t have enough elite talent in there, and once Laird is gone, that diminishes further. Then 2 of the remaining 4 ND picks on a mobile key defender and a ruck (unless we save the ruck pick for the rookie draft) feels inevitable. Maybe a project key forward and an x-factor outside mid / half back type with the other two selections. Then we’ll be able to add a couple more needs-based picks via the rookie draft.

I think if something along those lines happens, there’ll be less question marks in 12 months time about the overall list balance than what there is now.
 
Just this once said:
Hope Kobe Ryan gets picked up on our rookie list. His SANFL league debut was against us and he had 22 disposals, 2 goals and high in the best players. Although primarily a mid, he can also play forward and down back, so is versatile as well.
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We have no spots available. Seedsman and McPherson are being redrafted as rookies.
 
1970crow said:
I’m not worried about not having late pick ruck or KPD added to the list this year. Most likely to be AFL quality comes first to my mind. Our only genuine need at this moment is a couple of A grade mids with vision, elite legs and/or speed. Backs and average rucks you can get at anytime it matters. Which it doesn’t really at the moment.
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but we didnt get speedy A grade mids either...

this was a disaster
 
Danger in Texas said:
Jones gonna be primarily playing on a wing from now on IMO (either at AFL or SANFL level). Jury out on Pedlar whether he is a future mid or a half forward type (or even an AFL player at all), next year will tell us a lot. It will also tell a lot for Schoenberg, I can actually see him requesting a trade if he doesn't get his act totally into gear and doesn't get opportunities (would be unfortunate)

This was definitely the year to pick up at least one tall, though, but who knows, maybe we'll ask a tall to train on with us and make one an SSP to replace Seed/McAsey instead of Turner. I hope we do that now anyway, it'll mean the MSD last year was a waste but we don't need to add a player of Turner's type back to the list
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why would schoenberg ask for trade? highly doubt
 

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Joffaboy said:
Excuse the interruption, from your boards perspective, why do you think the club decided not to nominate Isaac Keeler?

Was it only because they thought he would go earlier than 40 or are there other reasons (attitude, fitness, behavioral etc)? On the surface he looks like a very talented player.

Thanks, oh and you can't have Phillipou :p
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Darren has already sent Ross and Co a strength and conditioning program that should have Mattaes cherry ripe to slot into our midfield in two years ;)
 
George Kramer said:
That’s assuming there have been no quality developing rucks we could have drafted in the last 5 years. We haven’t drafted one in all that time. As we know young rucks take time, it’s stupid list management not to have one on your list.
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I don’t think you take one just to have one though. The talent ID guys need to see an AFL player in there. And there’s 17 other clubs that can develop one for you and they normally go pretty cheap.
 
Joffaboy said:
Excuse the interruption, from your boards perspective, why do you think the club decided not to nominate Isaac Keeler?

Was it only because they thought he would go earlier than 40 or are there other reasons (attitude, fitness, behavioral etc)? On the surface he looks like a very talented player.

Thanks, oh and you can't have Phillipou :p
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given keeler trained with afc for two years and they could have picked him with 43 in the end and didn't tells us and you a lot unfortunately
 
All in the plan 😉Ruck Schmuck, the tapping extra mid is the future of footy and we will have one of the best.
Grundy was the prototype, Jackson the improved version but our boy will be the one. 😍
Fog , Ranks, Rachele and Welsh to kick the goals TT wins it centre, around the ground and pinch hits forward.
Trade next year for Cox then Hollands and I’m a happy little Vegemite.

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1970crow said:
I don’t think you take one just to have one though. The talent ID guys need to see an AFL player in there. And there’s 17 other clubs that can develop one for you and they normally go pretty cheap.
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Agree you’re not going to take one for the sake of it, but the other clubs have so clearly they’ve identified AFL players. You really trusting Hamish and Reid in this regard?
 
CromradeCromulent said:
Yeah he's clearly quitting tomorrow, that's why he never missed a session before his leave and is still in constant contact with Burgo's staff while in Melbourne and putting work in. Players who are leaving always do that.
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He didn’t miss a session this season either and struggled as a sanfl forward…..

Look I hope he gets well and makes it, but he was struggling as a footballer and now he’s not well enough to leave his home state and is missing a chunk of preseason away from the team.

A decision on whether he will come back will be made at Xmas time, if he does come back is he going to make it? Doubt it
 
Do not care about developing rucks. This should be the easiest position to target in a trade. I don't think it's the end of the world carrying just rob and Strachan over the next couple of years (but I don't rate ruck as a high value position) while we're still not contending. Trade in when we need to.

I think there's an argument for not getting a developing KPD. Butts so far is the only genuine key back to show he's got it. Murray and Worrell have shown good signs and should be playing full time next year. After that we have nothing so would be relying on Doedee if one of these goes down and maybe Michalaney in a few years.

I terms of our last two picks, we went with 2 speculative mids (i.e not rated top end) when we arguably have quite a lot of these young types already that likely won't be top end (Berry, Pedlar, Schoenberg and Taylor). You want Soligo in there, who imo does have the potential to be top end. Not including the incumbents (laird and Keays), you've got Soligo, Berry, Schoenberg, Pedlar, Taylor, Dowling, Bond all around the same age looking for midfield time. That's not including getting minutes into Rankine and Rachele (again similar age). That's also not including the fact that we still need to trade in a top end mid. So yeah while I'm not bagging the two last picks, have we loaded up too much on the same area of the ground in the same age bracket (still with a gaping hole elite prospect)?

I think our strategy next year should be to use our 1st and 2nd picks (with a 2nd round remaining) to target a high end 21-25yo mid alone or a high end mid and an okay established kpd. If just a high end mid, target a decent established KPD the year after.
 
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StonesThrow said:
Do not care about developing rucks. This should be the easiest position to target in a trade. I don't think it's the end of the world carrying just rob and Strachan over the next couple of years (but I don't rate ruck as a high value) while we're still not contending. Trade in when we need to.

I think there's an argument for not getting a developing KPD. Butts so far is the only genuine key back to show he's got it. Murray and Worrell have shown good signs and should be playing full time next year. After that we have nothing so would be relying on Doedee if one of these goes down and maybe Michalaney in a few years.

I terms of our last two picks, we went with 2 speculative mids (i.e not rated top end) when we arguably have quite a lot of these young types already that likely won't be top end (Berry, Pedlar, Schoenberg and Taylor). You want Soligo in there, who imo does have the potential to be top end. Not including the incumbents (laird and Keays), you've got Soligo, Berry, Schoenberg, Pedlar, Taylor, Dowling, Bond all around the same age looking for midfield time. That's not including getting minutes into Rankine and Rachele (again similar age). That's also not including the fact that we still need to trade in a top end mid. So yeah while I'm not bagging the two last picks, have we loaded up too much on the same area of the ground in the same age bracket (still with a gaping hole elite prospect)?

I think our strategy next year should be to use our 1st and 2nd picks (with a 2nd round remaining) to target a high end mid alone or a high end mid and an okay established kpd. If just a high end mid, target a decent established KPD the year after.
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Agree with a lot of what you say, but trading for a decent ruck isn’t as easy as it’s made out to be
 
Wolff said:
Darren has already sent Ross and Co a strength and conditioning program that should have Mattaes cherry ripe to slot into our midfield in two years ;)
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We will do our best to get him up to speed for you. ;)

May be able to grab our alpha Phillipou while you are at it. Of course if you do he goes from leadership material alpha to FIGJAM bellend in an instant :D
 
George Kramer said:
Agree with a lot of what you say, but trading for a decent ruck isn’t as easy as it’s made out to be
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You might be right. I think in theory it should be given incumbent rucks are usually hard to move.

To add to this, I don't think we need to trade in the next Max Gawn. I think a solid ruck is fine for a premiership team.
 
So i've done my obligatory deep dive on Billy Dowling and Hugh Bond, both players I knew next to nothing about.

I have to admit, I was impressed with what I saw.

Bold statement, out of the 3 draftees, I going with Hugh Bond as the first to debut. Tough with good size. Seems to have a great tank from what i've read too. Has all the trademarks of an early debut kinda guy for me
 

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