List Mgmt. 2022 AFL Draft Discussion

[Scorpus]

Our draft haul:

Pick 17 - Max Michalanney (matched F/S)
Pick 43 - Billy Dowling
Pick 50 - Hugh Bond

Rookie Pick 5 - Andrew McPherson

36

Andrew Mcpherson

Age

25

Ht

187cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.5

3star

K

6.0

2star

HB

4.5

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.5

3star

MG

118.5

2star

D

10.5

3star

K

6.0

2star

HB

4.5

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.5

2star

MG

118.5

2star

D

10.5

3star

K

6.0

3star

HB

4.5

4star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.5

4star

MG

118.5

2star

(re-listed)
Rookie Pick 21 - Paul Seedsman

11

Paul Seedsman

Age

32

Ht

190cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

18.3

5star

K

10.7

4star

HB

7.6

5star

M

3.9

4star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.5

4star

D

15.8

4star

K

8.2

3star

HB

7.6

4star

M

2.4

3star

T

4.4

5star

CL

1.8

4star

D

19.8

5star

K

14.0

5star

HB

5.8

4star

M

4.4

4star

T

2.6

4star

CL

1.4

4star

(re-listed)

 

[Mutineer]

It can't possibly be Turner.

Have three or four train on talls and choose who you want to see more from. Give them a year as a SSP.

We did that with Nick Murray maybe we could do the same with his taller brother Toby who is a mobile athletic Ruck/Forward with quite a bit of ability.

 

[betterthanu]

What time are the other drafts on?

I would say 95% of the times i go to the AFL website its because im trying to find a date or time something is taking lace and every time its impossible to find. Surely any competent web developer would put the most sought info as the most prominent displayed.

 

[LoBu]

Excuse the interruption, from your boards perspective, why do you think the club decided not to nominate Isaac Keeler?

Was it only because they thought he would go earlier than 40 or are there other reasons (attitude, fitness, behavioral etc)? On the surface he looks like a very talented player.

Thanks, oh and you can't have Phillipou

It's entirely possible that if we had nominated Keelor Saints would have traded up 5 or so spots for him anyway, so I wouldn't read too much into us not 'getting him for free' at 44.

It was basically Keelor vs Bond in the end.

Crows indicated early on, for Isaac's benefit, that he should be available to be selected by somebody who wanted him - and let clubs look closely at him as a genuine later draft option.

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[Mostyn]

Agree with a lot of what you say, but trading for a decent ruck isn’t as easy as it’s made out to be

To be fair, they're traded every year.

You could argue that there may not be a good one available when you're finally ready for a mature player, but there's normally some available every year

 

[Mostyn]

Is it?

There's talent, but it seems like a lot is assigned to clubs through academies.

 

[Mostyn]

To me after the draft it looks like we should have nominated Isaac Keeler. Had we nominated him, we would have been able to match bids after pick 40. Super talented key forward bit of a backup ruck. He was snapped up at pick 44 by the Saints and arguably the most freakish key forward in the draft. I know our forward line looks pretty good atm but Tex won't go on forever.

DRAFT RANGE: 20-40



SUMMARY:



If Keeler can put it all together, he might represent some of the best value in this year’s draft. His combination of skill and athleticism are rarely seen in a player his size, and thus, he may attract interest as early as the first round on draft night. The Crows will be disappointed to most likely miss out on their NGA prospect, though it won’t come as a surprise given Keeler’s talent being highly rated for some time.

"snapped up at pick 44"

 

[George Kramer]

To be fair, they're traded every year.

You could argue that there may not be a good one available when you're finally ready for a mature player, but there's normally some available every year

Are they traded every year though? This year it was Jackson and he’s a gun going home.

I remember when we were going for Preust 2 years running and didn’t choose us. Unless it’s a returning SA boy, we are always going to face competition if they are decent and we still have to overcome Port

 

[Mutineer]

To me after the draft it looks like we should have nominated Isaac Keeler. Had we nominated him, we would have been able to match bids after pick 40. Super talented key forward bit of a backup ruck. He was snapped up at pick 44 by the Saints and arguably the most freakish key forward in the draft. I know our forward line looks pretty good atm but Tex won't go on forever.

DRAFT RANGE: 20-40



SUMMARY:



If Keeler can put it all together, he might represent some of the best value in this year’s draft. His combination of skill and athleticism are rarely seen in a player his size, and thus, he may attract interest as early as the first round on draft night. The Crows will be disappointed to most likely miss out on their NGA prospect, though it won’t come as a surprise given Keeler’s talent being highly rated for some time.

To me after the draft it looks like we should have nominated Isaac Keeler. Had we nominated him, we would have been able to match bids after pick 40. Super talented key forward bit of a backup ruck. He was snapped up at pick 44 by the Saints and arguably the most freakish key forward in the draft. I know our forward line looks pretty good atm but Tex won't go on forever.

DRAFT RANGE: 20-40



SUMMARY:



If Keeler can put it all together, he might represent some of the best value in this year’s draft. His combination of skill and athleticism are rarely seen in a player his size, and thus, he may attract interest as early as the first round on draft night. The Crows will be disappointed to most likely miss out on their NGA prospect, though it won’t come as a surprise given Keeler’s talent being highly rated for some time.

Keeler has been right under our noses for 2 years, trained with the AFL guys regularly during that time and we would have watched every single game he played yet we passed on him. Either our SA scouts and the whole recruiting team have got it very wrong or they see something in his game they have doubt translates to the rigours of AFL football. They wouldn't have made that decision lightly knowing what will come their way if he turns out to be a really good player. Let's not forget the coaching panel would also have spent plenty of time with him so they likely ticked it off too?

 

[CROW in BALI]

What time are the other drafts on?

I would say 95% of the times i go to the AFL website its because im trying to find a date or time something is taking lace and every time its impossible to find. Surely any competent web developer would put the most sought info as the most prominent displayed.

That’s the way it works, they keep you clicking around on the site till you find it.
The misleading articles with no pics and headlines designed to get you reading three paragraphs before the surprise it’s about AFLW is the most infuriating, for some anyway.

 

[Mutineer]

There's talent, but it seems like a lot is assigned to clubs through academies.

Daniel Curtin and Archer Reid look the best of what would be available in the open draft at this point and you'll need high end picks to get near them IMO.

That's the disappointing thing with this year's SA talls who had virtually an unhampered run at it during these COVID times the last 2 years unlike their Victorian counterparts but not one of them was taken in the 1st round.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

To me after the draft it looks like we should have nominated Isaac Keeler. Had we nominated him, we would have been able to match bids after pick 40. Super talented key forward bit of a backup ruck. He was snapped up at pick 44 by the Saints and arguably the most freakish key forward in the draft. I know our forward line looks pretty good atm but Tex won't go on forever.

DRAFT RANGE: 20-40


SUMMARY:


If Keeler can put it all together, he might represent some of the best value in this year’s draft. His combination of skill and athleticism are rarely seen in a player his size, and thus, he may attract interest as early as the first round on draft night. The Crows will be disappointed to most likely miss out on their NGA prospect, though it won’t come as a surprise given Keeler’s talent being highly rated for some time.

We had the chance to draft Keeler .....we deliberately chose not to take him ......and St Kilda Drafted him, that says everything

 

[Mutineer]

Are they traded every year though? This year it was Jackson and he’s a gun going home.

I remember when we were going for Preust 2 years running and didn’t choose us. Unless it’s a returning SA boy, we are always going to face competition if they are decent and we still have to overcome Port

We also had a big crack at Witt's at one stage but Gold Coast offered him a longer term contract that saw him prefer them.

 

[George Kramer]

We also had a big crack at Witt's at one stage but Gold Coast offered him a longer term contrac that saw him prefer them.

Yep, so another we tried to lure and couldn’t.

So what are your thoughts on not drafting one developing ruckman since ROB and during a rebuild?

 

[Hodgy]

I actually really like our picks, so this isn't a criticism of the actual selections. I'm just getting a bit concerned about how adverse we are to taking developing talls. There were about 7 draftable SA kids around the 2m mark this year, which is pretty unheard of. One was even from our NGA. It's not like we don't have success with those types late or in the Rookie draft - Butts and ROB for example.

The trouble with drafting and developing talls is that they are both hit and miss and that it takes years to even find this out.
Look at Melbourne. They drafted and developed Preuss, Luke Jackson and Weideman, who have all gone, however they have traded in Grundy, Lever and May , who are all stars.
there is a very good argument for drafting smaller players and hiting the trade and free agency market for your talls. We would not have wasted pick5 and 3 Years on McAsey if we had done that.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

We also had a big crack at Witt's at one stage but Gold Coast offered him a longer term contract that saw him prefer them.

How often has our conservative approach hurt us .....imagine having Witts as our Ruck now

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Yep, so another we tried to lure and couldn’t.

So what are your thoughts on not drafting one developing ruckman since ROB and during a rebuild?

We could have lured Meek this year .....I'm not against letting other Clubs develop the Ruck and then offer them the opportunity .....ala Jacobs

 

[BRL121]

The trouble with drafting and developing talls is that they are both hit and miss and that it takes years to even find this out.
Look at Melbourne. They drafted and developed Preuss, Luke Jackson and Weideman, who have all gone, however they have traded in Grundy, Lever and May , who are all stars.
there is a very good argument for drafting smaller players and hiting the trade and free agency market for your talls. We would not have wasted pick5 and 3 Years on McAsey if we had done that.

Preuss drafted by NM.

 

[George Kramer]

We could have lured Meek this year .....I'm not against letting other Clubs develop the Ruck and then offer them the opportunity .....ala Jacobs

We could have? He wanted to choose us over Hawks did he?

Jacobs proves my point. Returning SA boy, who thankfully turned out to be a gun ruck.

Are we really going to rely on something we’ve done once? Or would the more sensible option be where we don’t face a battle to get one here is to draft one?

Look I’m not talking about drafting one every year, I’m saying we haven’t drafted a young ruck since ROB, who turns out he’s our no 1 ruck.

Scorpus put up the stat, there are 5 clubs without a ruckman under 22, 3 only without one under 25. Melbourne who just lost Jackson and Collingwood, both top 4 teams.

Do we think we are so special and good at trading, we don’t need to do what the majority of clubs do?

Really it’s indefensible not to have just ONE on our list when we’ve got 15 midfielders.

 

[Mutineer]

We could have lured Meek this year .....I'm not against letting other Clubs develop the Ruck and then offer them the opportunity .....ala Jacobs

Thilthorpe methinks will do a fair bit of ruck in coming years, not my preferred option but I suspect that's on the cards as he builds his strength.

 

[Peter Doherty]

We could have? He wanted to choose us over Hawks did he?

Jacobs proves my point. Returning SA boy, who thankfully turned out to be a gun ruck.

Are we really going to rely on something we’ve done once? Or would the more sensible option be where we don’t face a battle to get one here is to draft one?

Look I’m not talking about drafting one every year, I’m saying we haven’t drafted a young ruck since ROB, who turns out he’s our no 1 ruck.

Scorpus put up the stat, there are 5 clubs without a ruckman under 22, 3 only without one under 25. Melbourne who just lost Jackson and Collingwood, both top 4 teams.

Do we think we are so special and good at trading, we don’t need to do what the majority of clubs do?

Really it’s indefensible not to have just ONE on our list when we’ve got 15 midfielders.

I could accept it if the coaches took a stance of, they don't rate rucks and this is the direction they are going.

But then we play specialised rucks every game, ROB/Strachan. A lot of other teams have gone into games with no ruck, we don't do that.

 

[Thetrader15]

I could accept it if the coaches took a stance of, they don't rate rucks and this is the direction they are going.

But then we play specialised rucks every game, ROB/Strachan. A lot of other teams have gone into games with no ruck, we don't do that.

"A lot of other teams"? Really? I know Port did it for a few games out of necessity, but who else?

I can't think of too many top 8 teams who didn't play at least one ruck for most of the year, but stand corrected if you have the data.

 

[Redline]

Matt Crouch will probably get us back into the 4th round. Lol.

A live trade on the night - we give a 2024 3rd and receive a 2023 3rd is a very crow-like thing to do until the end of time too.

5 picks in total seems about right for us next year, considering there’s a bunch of obvious delistings. Off the top of my head, I don’t think there’s much chance that any of McAsey, Crouch, Seedsman, McPherson, Hately, Turner, Borlase or Newchurch are still at the club in 2024 (Turner might be gone sooner). It’s also entirely possible that one or both of Sloane and Walker can’t go on for another year (especially if injury strikes). It’s also possible that someone like a Sholl or Murphy is moved on too. Maybe someone I haven’t named requests a trade - we’re probably due for that. Despite not all of these players occupying senior list spots, we are clearly positioning ourselves for a bit of an assault on the 2023 draft.

Elite mid with the first rounder clearly has to be the plan - we just don’t have enough elite talent in there, and once Laird is gone, that diminishes further. Then 2 of the remaining 4 ND picks on a mobile key defender and a ruck (unless we save the ruck pick for the rookie draft) feels inevitable. Maybe a project key forward and an x-factor outside mid / half back type with the other two selections. Then we’ll be able to add a couple more needs-based picks via the rookie draft.

I think if something along those lines happens, there’ll be less question marks in 12 months time about the overall list balance than what there is now.

I assume he signs but if not we could have the Doodee compo as well.

 

[maxlilly]

I could accept it if the coaches took a stance of, they don't rate rucks and this is the direction they are going.

But then we play specialised rucks every game, ROB/Strachan. A lot of other teams have gone into games with no ruck, we don't do that.

With the way ROB played last year, it felt like we went into games with no rucks

 

[Peter Doherty]

"A lot of other teams"? Really? I know Port did it for a few games out of necessity, but who else?

I can't think of too many top 8 teams who didn't play at least one ruck for most of the year, but stand corrected if you have the data.

Yeah maybe not a lot, point still stands though.

At selection they value rucks.

 

[maxlilly]

I just don't understand our drafting philosophy.
We've had top draft picks the last 4-5 years and we haven't drafted one prime midfielder in that time.
We continue to throw handfuls of draft picks at late pick midfielders who wont make it.
And we totally disregard our tall stocks even though they are mostly terrible