List Mgmt. 2022 List Management and Trading Thread - Part 2

[Scorpus]

Updated list position



And 2024 as it stands

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[Mr MysteryGuest]

Fair indication he'll be retained?

Try watching the video first next time

 

[Mutineer]

Try watching the video first next time

I did and missed that!!!!

 

[Drewie11]

What has our development team done to this kid! He was starting in the midfield along with Walsh and Smith in the 2018 super draft team

 

[cleanhands]

What has our development team done to this kid! He was starting in the midfield along with Walsh and Smith in the 2018 super draft team

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At least he’s not alone in that squad

 

[huludicidal]

What has our development team done to this kid! He was starting in the midfield along with Walsh and Smith in the 2018 super draft team

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Some players are good against kids and don’t develop to be good against men. Happens every single year and I wouldn’t say this one is on our player development at all.

How are Luke Valente, Luke English and Mitch O’Neill going? Maybe they all also should’ve been drafted ahead of Zak Butters because they clearly had more runs on the board as 17 year olds? At least a couple of them have injuries as an excuse for not coming on to the level that could have been projected from their Under 18 performances. What’s Chayce’s excuse?

It’s a recruiter’s job to identify which players are going to take the next step. Actual output / production as a 16-17 year old is just one aspect. Evaluating potential for growth, improvement, and how it all translates to the next level is far more important.

In this instance, selecting Jones where we did has clearly proven to be a massive fail. Let’s say hypothetically that we’d selected someone else and Jones ended up going to say, Port or Geelong or GWS, I certainly don’t think we’d be sitting here wishing we took him because that club has somehow developed him into a star mid. Nobody thinks that tbh. Everyone who supports another club just laughs whenever his name comes up.

 

[cleanhands]

Some players are good against kids and don’t develop to be good against men. Happens every single year and I wouldn’t say this one is on our player development at all.

How are Luke Valente, Luke English and Mitch O’Neill going? Maybe they all also should’ve been drafted ahead of Zak Butters because they clearly had more runs on the board as 17 year olds? At least a couple of them have injuries as an excuse for not coming on to the level that could have been projected from their Under 18 performances. What’s Chayce’s excuse?

It’s a recruiter’s job to identify which players are going to take the next step. Actual output / production as a 16-17 year old is just one aspect. Evaluating potential for growth, improvement, and how it all translates to the next level is far more important.

In this instance, selecting Jones where we did has clearly proven to be a massive fail. Let’s say hypothetically that we’d selected someone else and Jones ended up going to say, Port or Geelong or GWS, I certainly don’t think we’d be sitting here wishing we took him because that club has somehow developed him into a star mid. Nobody thinks that tbh. Everyone who supports another club just laughs whenever his name comes up.

I think we have developed him into a defensive mindset and he seems hell bent in doing it to the letter, I would like to see him play his natural game for a block before putting a line through him. I don’t see him as bad as some make out, is he a top ten pick… no, that’s not on him, but I see an AFL footballer

 

[Thetrader15]

What has our development team done to this kid! He was starting in the midfield along with Walsh and Smith in the 2018 super draft team

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There's really only about 9 who've developed well...BTW, where was Rozee?

 

[huludicidal]

I think we have developed him into a defensive mindset and he seems hell bent in doing it to the letter, I would like to see him play his natural game for a block before putting a line through him. I don’t see him as bad as some make out, is he a top ten pick… no, that’s not on him, but I see an AFL footballer

He could make it as a back pocket.

Drafting a “could make it as a back pocket” player inside the top 10 when we could’ve had Zak Butters is an embarrassing failure.

 

[cleanhands]

He could make it as a back pocket.

Drafting a “could make it as a back pocket” player inside the top 10 when we could’ve had Zak Butters is an embarrassing failure.

Again that’s not on him

 

[huludicidal]

There's really only about 9 who've developed well...BTW, where was Rozee?

Injured during the U18 champs from memory

 

[huludicidal]

Again that’s not on him

No, the discussion was surrounding our player development. It’s not on them either. It’s on the recruiters.

 

[cleanhands]

No, the discussion was surrounding our player development. It’s not on them either. It’s on the recruiters.

as I stated previously i think development played a part only my thoughts

 

[Drewie11]

There's really only about 9 who've developed well...BTW, where was Rozee?

Looks like Ports development team is significantly better than ours

 

[Mutineer]

Injured during the U18 champs from memory

Nope played all 4 games averaged 13.3 disposals, actually had a better Championships in 2017 as an underager.

 

[jackster83]

What has our development team done to this kid! He was starting in the midfield along with Walsh and Smith in the 2018 super draft team

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He's just not very good.

Doesn't have the football smarts for AFL level. He doesn't even stand out at state level.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

He's just not very good.

Doesn't have the football smarts for AFL level. He doesn't even stand out at state level.

I still remain a believer in Chayce ....I agree, his spacial awareness is not great, and that will always hold him back as a midfielder ....however his speed and aggression will give him a good AFL career

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

I still remain a believer in Chayce ....I agree, his spacial awareness is not great, and that will always hold him back as a midfielder ....however his speed and aggression will give him a good AFL career

Think he will be a solid player, but not the gun we would have hoped for.

 

[1970crow]

What has our development team done to this kid! He was starting in the midfield along with Walsh and Smith in the 2018 super draft team

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godden, midfield coach extraordinaire.

 

[1970crow]

Some players are good against kids and don’t develop to be good against men. Happens every single year and I wouldn’t say this one is on our player development at all.

How are Luke Valente, Luke English and Mitch O’Neill going? Maybe they all also should’ve been drafted ahead of Zak Butters because they clearly had more runs on the board as 17 year olds? At least a couple of them have injuries as an excuse for not coming on to the level that could have been projected from their Under 18 performances. What’s Chayce’s excuse?

It’s a recruiter’s job to identify which players are going to take the next step. Actual output / production as a 16-17 year old is just one aspect. Evaluating potential for growth, improvement, and how it all translates to the next level is far more important.

In this instance, selecting Jones where we did has clearly proven to be a massive fail. Let’s say hypothetically that we’d selected someone else and Jones ended up going to say, Port or Geelong or GWS, I certainly don’t think we’d be sitting here wishing we took him because that club has somehow developed him into a star mid. Nobody thinks that tbh. Everyone who supports another club just laughs whenever his name comes up.

disagree. We screwed him, it's that simple. His first year showed plenty enough and then he went backwards to the point he'd not even get a spot in an SANFL reserves 22. He became a basket case.

 

[1970crow]

No, the discussion was surrounding our player development. It’s not on them either. It’s on the recruiters.

rubbish.

 

[dogs105]

disagree. We screwed him, it's that simple. His first year showed plenty enough and then he went backwards to the point he'd not even get a spot in an SANFL reserves 22. He became a basket case.

He was winning important clearances from the centre in the SANFL in his first year.

 

[crow2crow]

What has our development team done to this kid! He was starting in the midfield along with Walsh and Smith in the 2018 super draft team

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i still think jones will make it

mchenry though - why was he picked?

 

[crows dude]

i still think jones will make it

mchenry though - why was he picked?

Because he’s a great guy.

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

He's just not very good.

Doesn't have the football smarts for AFL level. He doesn't even stand out at state level.

Have you actually seen him play at SANFL level?

 

[GROTTO]

Because he’s a great guy.

At the Crows, that will get you to 200 games.