List Mgmt. 2022 List Management and Trading Thread - Part 2

[Scorpus]

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[Kane McGoodwin]

He's not a "real consideration". We need all the F picks we have, and there is nothing whatsoever to make anyone think that we'll be trading back into the first round of the 2022 draft.

This thread is a much a do about nothing.

We already know who we are picking on draft night.

 

[Mutineer]

He's not a "real consideration". We need all the F picks we have, and there is nothing whatsoever to make anyone think that we'll be trading back into the first round of the 2022 draft.

May not be Phillipou specifically but Reid's own words certainly don't align with your thinking....if there's a player they really rate that slips through to where they think he's too good to pass up they have that option still using a future pick, likely the Roos 2023 2nd rounder they traded for.

Crows to nominate father-son prospect

The official AFL website of the Adelaide Crows Football Club

www.afc.com.au

"Adelaide General Manager List Management and Strategy Justin Reid said the pick exchange provides the Club with greater flexibility in the next two national drafts.

“We are continually exploring ways to improve our draft hand and overall playing squad, and central to our decision making are the numerous scenarios that can play out in and around the draft,” Reid said.

“This latest swap of picks aligns with our list management strategy and as always, we will be true to our talent order and see how the draft selections fall on the night.”

 

[Sanders]

However, consider that Phillipou "may" be taken prior to pick 8 ....making it highly unlikely we could trade back into this year's 1st round to a level, he's a real consideration

Why stop there? Consider that Phillipou “may” be an agent for the upcoming zombie apocalypse and by drafting him we would be accelerating the end of the world?

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Why stop there? Consider that Phillipou “may” be an agent for the upcoming zombie apocalypse and by drafting him we would be accelerating the end of the world?

A visionary, as usual

 

[Sanders]

A visionary, as usual

I for one welcome our new lizard overlords

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

May not be Phillipou specifically but Reid's own words certainly don't align with your thinking....if there's a player they really rate that slips through to where they think he's too good to pass up they have that option still using a future pick, likely the Roos 2023 2nd rounder they traded for.

Crows to nominate father-son prospect

The official AFL website of the Adelaide Crows Football Club

www.afc.com.au

"Adelaide General Manager List Management and Strategy Justin Reid said the pick exchange provides the Club with greater flexibility in the next two national drafts.

“We are continually exploring ways to improve our draft hand and overall playing squad, and central to our decision making are the numerous scenarios that can play out in and around the draft,” Reid said.

“This latest swap of picks aligns with our list management strategy and as always, we will be true to our talent order and see how the draft selections fall on the night.”

He's playing ducks & drakes.

You just need to look at the number of vacant list spots to know it's going to be a quiet draft night.

Reid's main consideration will be if MM slides on night 2, to swap picks for futures.

 

[1970crow]

However, consider that Phillipou "may" be taken prior to pick 8 ....making it highly unlikely we could trade back into this year's 1st round to a level, he's a real consideration

I doubt our F1 is available .....the 2 x F2's a possibility

Nobody is swapping 8 for our seconds next year.

 

[1970crow]

Do you or anyone know who that is available next year makes us want to heavily invest in that draft.

Our abundance of contracted players.

 

[rabidcrow]

I'm empathetic to your thoughts ....IMO it adds another 12 months to the rebuild, not adding another top 15 player

I understand the "sit back" for 12 months to properly analyze what stocks we already have ......it's a conservative approach .....but you're relying on a lot of faith in recruiting, re the strength of the Draft next year

Obviously Rankine coming in is a big tick. In terms of delaying the rebuild it needs to b about experienced players coming in now - not continuing to hit the draft

Whether we agree or not the club was actually really transparent early in the year where they said they are finished rebuilding with the draft and are targeting mature talent to trade in.

That’s exactly what they have done and I dare say will continue to do next year. They feel they have the list and will now trade for filling gaps.

Our chasing high end draft talent is done for this cycle


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[Vader]

May not be Phillipou specifically but Reid's own words certainly don't align with your thinking....if there's a player they really rate that slips through to where they think he's too good to pass up they have that option still using a future pick, likely the Roos 2023 2nd rounder they traded for.

Crows to nominate father-son prospect

The official AFL website of the Adelaide Crows Football Club

www.afc.com.au

"Adelaide General Manager List Management and Strategy Justin Reid said the pick exchange provides the Club with greater flexibility in the next two national drafts.

“We are continually exploring ways to improve our draft hand and overall playing squad, and central to our decision making are the numerous scenarios that can play out in and around the draft,” Reid said.

“This latest swap of picks aligns with our list management strategy and as always, we will be true to our talent order and see how the draft selections fall on the night.”

None of which, in any way, even vaguely suggests that we will be trading back into the 2022 1st round.

 

[dude316]

May not be Phillipou specifically but Reid's own words certainly don't align with your thinking....if there's a player they really rate that slips through to where they think he's too good to pass up they have that option still using a future pick, likely the Roos 2023 2nd rounder they traded for.

Crows to nominate father-son prospect

The official AFL website of the Adelaide Crows Football Club

www.afc.com.au

"Adelaide General Manager List Management and Strategy Justin Reid said the pick exchange provides the Club with greater flexibility in the next two national drafts.

“We are continually exploring ways to improve our draft hand and overall playing squad, and central to our decision making are the numerous scenarios that can play out in and around the draft,” Reid said.

“This latest swap of picks aligns with our list management strategy and as always, we will be true to our talent order and see how the draft selections fall on the night.”

I think if you changed the font colour a bit more and maybe bolded a bit of the text your point would have cut through better.

 

[WeedsMullet84]

None of which, in any way, even vaguely suggests that we will be trading back into the 2022 1st round.

Meh, could go either way.

We've no doubt found an option to trade out of this draft early, instead of having to do it on draft night if a bid for Michalanney came in earlier than predicted.

Protects that Pick 23 from having been chewed up, and means we're not scrambling come draft night.

I imagine that future Kangas 2nd would be a pretty juicy carrot to dangle if a player slips in the 2nd rd...

If they finish bottom next year then that's a start of 2nd round pick, which over a 2 night draft have always proved to be extremely valuable...

Do i think we're looking to trade back in? Probably not, but we certainly have some flexibility to do so now that a future 2nd can now be coupled with a future 1st....

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Meh, could go either way.

We've no doubt found an option to trade out of this draft early, instead of having to do it on draft night if a bid for Michalanney came in earlier than predicted.

Protects that Pick 23 from having been chewed up, and means we're not scrambling come draft night.

I imagine that future Kangas 2nd would be a pretty juicy carrot to dangle if a player slips in the 2nd rd...

If they finish bottom next year then that's a start of 2nd round pick, which over a 2 night draft have always proved to be extremely valuable...

Do i think we're looking to trade back in? Probably not, but we certainly have some flexibility to do so now that a future 2nd can now be coupled with a future 1st....

No, we traded 23 out as it's surplus to needs with us only needing points to bid on MM & then upgrade 2 rookies.

Also, gives us more picks for the 2023 draft when we will likely have far more players out of contract & list changes needed.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Nobody is swapping 8 for our seconds next year.

Think that’s what i said

 

[Mutineer]

None of which, in any way, even vaguely suggests that we will be trading back into the 2022 1st round.

None of it suggests we won't be either if there's a player that has slipped we rate highly enough still available on Hamish's board...we have the flexibility to do so if required.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Obviously Rankine coming in is a big tick. In terms of delaying the rebuild it needs to b about experienced players coming in now - not continuing to hit the draft

Whether we agree or not the club was actually really transparent early in the year where they said they are finished rebuilding with the draft and are targeting mature talent to trade in.

That’s exactly what they have done and I dare say will continue to do next year. They feel they have the list and will now trade for filling gaps.

Our chasing high end draft talent is done for this cycle


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We’ll have a top 10 pick next year ……. highly doubt we’ll trade that pick

What “gap” would we trade to fill ?

 

[crow2crow]

We’ll have a top 10 pick next year ……. highly doubt we’ll trade that pick

What “gap” would we trade to fill ?

I think you missed an s in "gap"

 

[Vader]

None of it suggests we won't be either if there's a player that has slipped we rate highly enough still available on Hamish's board...we have the flexibility to do so if required.

It's a masterpiece in saying absolutely nothing at all.

Actions, however, speak louder than words. We have traded out of the 1st and 2nd rounds, and it is absolutely evident that MM will be our only selection in the ND this year.

 

[WeedsMullet84]

No, we traded 23 out as it's surplus to needs with us only needing points to bid on MM & then upgrade 2 rookies.

Also, gives us more picks for the 2023 draft when we will likely have far more players out of contract & list changes needed.

Maybe we did think it was surplus or, maybe we got wind that there was some interest in Michalanney further up the talent order of other clubs, and we’ve sent our Pick into next year instead of a bid coming in before Pick 23 on draft night and then we’re left scrambling trying to trade out, and if we can’t we lose a very good pick as a high 2nd rounder trying to match the bid.

I think people who think that a particular scenario has already played itself out just need to chill a bit, the list management team have done really well here, and whether you think something will or won’t happen doesn’t hide the fact that we’ve traded ourselves into a flexible position come draft night IF we did want to trade back in. That’s irrefutable.


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[Sanders]

None of it suggests we won't be either if there's a player that has slipped we rate highly enough still available on Hamish's board...we have the flexibility to do so if required.

Hilarious

Imagine thinking trading completely out a draft wasn’t evidence that we didn’t want to participate in the draft

Magical thinking

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Maybe we did think it was surplus or, maybe we got wind that there was some interest in Michalanney further up the talent order of other clubs, and we’ve sent our Pick into next year instead of a bid coming in before Pick 23 on draft night and then we’re left scrambling trying to trade out, and if we can’t we lose a very good pick as a high 2nd rounder trying to match the bid.

I think people who think that a particular scenario has already played itself out just need to chill a bit, the list management team have done really well here, and whether you think something will or won’t happen doesn’t hide the fact that we’ve traded ourselves into a flexible position come draft night IF we did want to trade back in. That’s irrefutable.


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How is trading our picks out of this draft making it more flexible to pick up players in this year's draft. It's actually the opposite as we no longer have early picks... just enough late ones to match MM & upgrade rookies.

(Club) Actions speak louder than words!

Also, why do you keep telling anyone who disagrees with you to chill? This is a discussion forum.

 

[huludicidal]

I think if you changed the font colour a bit more and maybe bolded a bit of the text your point would have cut through better.

Or even changed some of the text to say something that remotely supported his statement

 

[GrommoT]

How is trading our picks out of this draft making it more flexible to pick up players in this year's draft. It's actually the opposite as we no longer have early picks... just enough late ones to match MM & upgrade rookies.

(Club) Actions speak louder than words!

Also, why do you keep telling anyone who disagrees with you to chill? This is a discussion forum.

On this note, we need to see if there are any more list changes by 21 Nov (when draft nominations close). I think moving players from the senior to rookie list has to be done by nominating for the ND (THIS article suggets the one-step senior to rookie list transfer was just for 2021).

If no further changes occur by 21 Nov, we only have room to take MM in the ND and we can be more certain that that's it.

But if we see another player or two get delisted and nominate for the ND by 21 Nov (eg. Seeds or Crouch maybe) in order be moved to rookie list, we'll know the Club is keeping open the option to trade back into 2022.

There's still plenty of time right now.

 

[Vader]

On this note, we need to see if there are any more list changes by 21 Nov (when draft nominations close). I think moving players from the senior to rookie list has to be done by nominating for the ND (THIS article suggets the one-step senior to rookie list transfer was just for 2021).

If no further changes occur by 21 Nov, we only have room to take MM in the ND and we can be more certain that that's it.

But if we see another player or two get delisted and nominate for the ND by 21 Nov (eg. Seeds or Crouch maybe) in order be moved to rookie list, we'll know the Club is keeping open the option to trade back into 2022.

There's still plenty of time right now.

I think you missed this paragraph, in the article you linked:

They will, however, be able to shift players on the senior list to the rookie list in the time between the national and rookie drafts if the player is contracted for 2022.

 

[WeedsMullet84]

How is trading our picks out of this draft making it more flexible to pick up players in this year's draft. It's actually the opposite as we no longer have early picks... just enough late ones to match MM & upgrade rookies.

(Club) Actions speak louder than words!

Also, why do you keep telling anyone who disagrees with you to chill? This is a discussion forum.

Happy to break this down for you, Kane.

First of all we had Pick 23.
We’re clearly worried a pick for Michalanney MAY have come in earlier than Pick 23, so instead of running the RISK of the pick being chewed up by an earlier bid we’ve traded that pick out.
This is not necessarily indicative of a desire to ‘not be in this draft’, it’s indicative that we’re engaging in risk-mitigation surrounding a bid on Michalanney and having to use Pick 23 to match.

Once again I don’t believe it WILL happen, but the fact we have MORE flexibility overall after this trade is also irrefutable.

If Phillipou for example drops to Pick 10 and we’re looking to get back into the draft, our future 1st was likely always going to be part of the equation in and around that pick. People saying 2 x 2nds for a 1st obviously haven’t watched many drafts lately.

We have more flexibility because the extra 2nd rounder we have now is MORE desirable to other teams in a trade scenario than our 2nd rounder this year. A much better draft in 2023, and in the likely event Kangas finish bottom it’s a start of 2nd round pick. This pick has proved extremely valuable over a 2 night draft system, as after the 1st round clubs have the ability to reassess their talent order/list priorities. We have seen this pick often traded for a future 1st.

It also gives us an ability to check the landscape come draft night when the 2nd round starts and see what players fall around those picks. If a player like Barnett or Keeler drops to around Pick 25 (after a Michalanney bid) we have the ability as well to try and offer that highly valuable future 2nd Kangas pick to get back in.

We have categorically improved our 2nd rounder this year, despite it being a KNOWN quantity, whilst also bringing in additional points for a Michalanney bid. It’s a great result for the club and offers us the ability to see what players fall where on draft night and trade back in IF the right players are still available, and if another club is open to it.








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