List Mgmt. 2022 List Management and Trading Thread - Part 2
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Hamish said on radio they’d promised McPherson and seedsman, so I guess turner misses.
More importantly, McPherson and Seedsman are both contracted for 2023. Turner is not.
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I’d pay out McPherson. Sorry but we need to be tougher. Then I’d grab a ruck or KPD to develop.
Seedsman I’d keep and then move to LTI list so we have a mid season pick option.
There really is absolutely no need to keep McPherson.
Seedsman I’d keep and then move to LTI list so we have a mid season pick option.
There really is absolutely no need to keep McPherson.
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I’m not necessarily buying the training program in VIC Yadah for McAsey either
I assume LTI for mental health would be the avenue to open a spot if he chooses not to go on ?
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I think Seedsman goes LTI for a SSP player, and McAsey does later for the midyear draft. We don't need both to do it now.
why waste the pick 5 rookie spot that would be dumb
mcpherson has been delisted pay him out and leace it that way
selection of bond is a deathnell for mcpherson
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No need to cut McPherson or Seedsman ......yes Turner's days are over, Bond is the Turner type player & younger replacement
We'll have a LTI during the season .....and hopefully use the MSD to grab a Ruckman .....IMO the MSD will be the preferred option to the Rookie Draft, as we get to see another 6 months of development in the kids
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With so many young midfielders on our list, it's going to be a squeeze to get meaningful midfield minutes into them. Even more so if we prioritise guys like Keays and Sloane in the middle.
Berry and Soligo should get plenty of opportunities, with the latter spending some time on the wing.
It's a career defining year for Schoenberg. He was horrid in 2022 but was impressive in the two years prior.
Rachele we also want to see spend some time in there as he did this year.
Taylor looked good at SANFL level but is behind a few, so probably needs injuries to even be considered.
Pedlar maybe another but I have concerns over his durability and his midfield craft (he looks much more an SPP half forward type for mine).
Crouch shouldn't be considered at all, regardless of injuries or SANFL numbers.
I don't hate on Hately as much as some on here, but he's probably relegated to depth only now.
Then there's the wing spots, with Sholl, Cook and Nankervis likely stuck behind Hinge, Jones and to a lesser extent Soligo.
A few of these guys could be good trade bait in 2023 if we're trying to get back into the middle rounds of the draft.
Berry and Soligo should get plenty of opportunities, with the latter spending some time on the wing.
It's a career defining year for Schoenberg. He was horrid in 2022 but was impressive in the two years prior.
Rachele we also want to see spend some time in there as he did this year.
Taylor looked good at SANFL level but is behind a few, so probably needs injuries to even be considered.
Pedlar maybe another but I have concerns over his durability and his midfield craft (he looks much more an SPP half forward type for mine).
Crouch shouldn't be considered at all, regardless of injuries or SANFL numbers.
I don't hate on Hately as much as some on here, but he's probably relegated to depth only now.
Then there's the wing spots, with Sholl, Cook and Nankervis likely stuck behind Hinge, Jones and to a lesser extent Soligo.
A few of these guys could be good trade bait in 2023 if we're trying to get back into the middle rounds of the draft.
Assuming we play it straight and take McPherson and Seedsman in the rookie draft, my summary of the trade/draft period is as follows:
At times I have looked at our trading and been very critical. I often can't see what we are trying to do.
BUT, when I sit back and look at the overall results, it's starting to look pretty impressive.
In this period we brought in Rankine, added our first high level F/S, drafted Dowling who is a very dominant and goal scoring U18 mid, and then took a leap with Bond who looks tough as nails and has scope for improvement.
We did this while also maintaining a very strong hand in the 2023 draft (which sounds stronger than this one).
I wonder if we are looking again to add via a trade rather than a top 10 draft pick? It's going to be fascinating.
I'm also looking ahead at the incredibly competitive list we have. Finding spots for these kids to gain AFL experience is going to be tough. In the end some are going to fall aside. I suspect we will cut deep next year.
I'm expecting Crouch, Hately, Murphy, McAsey, Sloane (ret), Seedsman, McPherson and maybe Hamill (concussion) to all be in danger of being cut. While Newchurch, Gollant and Borlase will want to show something special.
- We brought in an elite level talent in Rankine. Did we pay too high a price? Maybe. But players who have the ability to impact a game like Rankine are few and far between, so it's worth it. If he reaches his peak he will play like Shai Bolton (Fwd/mid), with a hint of Eddie Betts.
- It looks like the plan is to have in the midfield is to have plenty of options. We have tough nut midfielders - Berry & Laird, a tall accumulator who kicks goals in Dowling and then have Soligo, Dawson and hopefully Cook, Taylor and Rachele as the class, with Rankine, Schoenberg and hopefully Pedlar (and maybe Nankervis) as the x-factor. It's a really interesting mix. It's clear though that Crouch and Hately are finished. Meanwhile I don't see how Sloane gets a game. He really shouldn't.
- It looks like our plan defensively is to play 1 tall defender (Butts) and then cover with tallish guys that can play big and small. Doedee has been used as a tall defender (not overly successfully though), meanwhile Worrell showed he has it in the last part of the season and can play on all sizes, while MM likewise looks like the sort that can play a bit taller if needed or a bit smaller. MM will take a bit of conditioning and size before he's ready, but the options moving forwards are good. I haven't included Dawson here because I want him on the wing, but he is also an option across half back. I'm expecting Murray to play mostly SANFL and to be the Butts back up. I'm expecting Bond to be developed as that tough nut defender, but might also have a crack at midfield in SANFL to see where develops best.
At times I have looked at our trading and been very critical. I often can't see what we are trying to do.
BUT, when I sit back and look at the overall results, it's starting to look pretty impressive.
In this period we brought in Rankine, added our first high level F/S, drafted Dowling who is a very dominant and goal scoring U18 mid, and then took a leap with Bond who looks tough as nails and has scope for improvement.
We did this while also maintaining a very strong hand in the 2023 draft (which sounds stronger than this one).
I wonder if we are looking again to add via a trade rather than a top 10 draft pick? It's going to be fascinating.
I'm also looking ahead at the incredibly competitive list we have. Finding spots for these kids to gain AFL experience is going to be tough. In the end some are going to fall aside. I suspect we will cut deep next year.
I'm expecting Crouch, Hately, Murphy, McAsey, Sloane (ret), Seedsman, McPherson and maybe Hamill (concussion) to all be in danger of being cut. While Newchurch, Gollant and Borlase will want to show something special.
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Just my musings
Don't discount another Burgess preseason - his second with us. If his previous track record is anything to go by the effects of his methods are felt in the second year so guys like Taylor, Nankervis, Pedlar (if he can overcome injury) who were on the fringes might with an increased fitness base be able to push for seniors
Re Sloane, if they are playing him which I suspect they most certainly will, he has to be a full time forward pocket primarily inside forward 50 - he can take a contested grab, will still have the smarts and pace to close down inside the forward half and he knows where the goals are - he could be a genuine weapon this year coming. This would allow Rachele and Rankine to roam half forward and McAdam to also roam a bit making us more flexible
I also hope - and I know its a stretch as he is still filling out and is very wiry, but I would love to see Michalanney get some games down back. I genuinely think he could be a very good player at AFL level.
Moving forward, a development ruck and another KPD are a must. Maybe if we can free up a spot in the mid season draft to get that project ruck in and then spitballing if Cox becomes available for trade, could it get done with 2 early 2nds in the strong draft, or even bring in the 2024 1st as part of it?????. Leaving our 2023 1st for one of the best mids. Adding Cox and a top end mid next year would be a great result for where we are in our rebuild.
Potentially McAsey and Seedsman could both go on the "inactive list", or the Long Term Injury list, allowing us to sign replacements via the PSSP and/or MSD.
There may not be any on-field reasons for retaining McPherson, but salary cap is a potential off-field reason for doing so.
Don't forget that we've already paid out Brown's 2023 salary in the 2022 cap. We may not have a lot of room for paying out any additional players, even those on below average wages (i.e. McPherson) this year.
We probably don't have enough room in our 2022 salary cap to pay out Seedsman, even if we wanted to. McPherson would be on a much lower salary, so it could be possible, but it may not be.
We don't need to take them in the rookie draft. There's a DFA window later today, which appears to be the mechanism for moving players from the senior list to the rookie list. We will just sign them to the rookie list in that window.
Hating on Murphy is a popular BigFooty pastime, but there is little to no evidence that the club feels the same way. Gollant showed a bit when he was given an opportunity in late 2021, though he regressed in 2022 - I think he'll probably be given a bit more time. Hard to disagree with any of your other likely departures though.
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I've heard this about not having room to pay someone out, but where does this come from? I'd have thought we would be closer to the 90% and saving the additional cap to allow us to go over in the coming couple of years.
Are you saying we are already at 100%? I know we've front ended contracts, but the amount of cap we have removed over the last 3 or so years, we'd have to be closer to 90% than 100%?
Not so much hate on Murphy, it’s just that I think he will be overtaken by several more talented players. In his half forward role he’s going to be competing with Rankine, Rachele, Ned, Pedlar, Keays (maybe), Sloane (maybe), Taylor, Schoenberg and Milera.
I’d have them all above Murphy.
If we delist (and don't re-contract) a player in 2022, who is contracted for 2023, then we need to include their 2023 salary in our 2022 salary cap.
For 2022, the salary cap is $13,540,000, and the salary floor is $12,863,000 - a difference of $677K. Let's assume that the club was at the salary floor in 2022, and that Brown's 2023 salary was going to be $500K (not unreasonable, given that he was a senior player in a list full of lowly paid juniors). That would only leave $177K for paying out any other player(s). If we assume it was $600K (still not unreasonable), then we're down to $77K remaining.
Do you see how Brown's payout leaves very little wiggle room for paying out additional players?
** Note that the salary floor is 95% of the cap, not 90%.
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Let's see how it pans out. Even if he is overtaken, I doubt they would cut him straight away, given that he's a proven AFL player now - and at worst he would be a decent reserve option (in case of injury).
Looking at the list of players you named:
- Rankine - absolutely
- Rachele - absolutely
- Ned - debatable, given that both Murphy & Ned both have their detractors on BF.
- Pedlar - has greater potential, but yet to achieve anything at AFL level, hard to see how he's ahead of Murphy right now (and may not be by the end of the year)
- Keays - agree this is a maybe
- Sloane - agree this is a maybe
- Taylor - hasn't played an AFL game yet, so putting him ahead of a proven player (Murphy) is a stretch.
- Schoenberg - surely he's a midfielder, rather than a small forward? Not really competing for the same position.
- Milera - hasn't shown much at all, when played in the forward line, seems better coming off the HB line or wing.
murphy is a spud
Like I said... hating on Murphy is a popular BF pastime. It's not an opinion shared by anyone within the club.
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You mean the club that recently finished with the wooden spoon and are a bottom team, that club?
Rekon the reason we didn’t draft a KPD is that next year we’ll target a ready made key position player. GWS himmelberg is a free agent . Any more key position free agents ?
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Understand the Drafting of Bond & Dowling .....it assumes the impending departures of Sloane, Crouch, Seedsman, and Hately ......that's 4 departing mids at the end of 2023
They all may not go, but good planning for it
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What about Laird, Keays, Pedlar, Soligo, Berry, Schoenberg, Taylor, Nankervis, Cook, Rachelle and Rankine? Aren’t these guys planning for the departure of the 4 players you mentioned?
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So are you saying, Phillipou was surplus to our requirements then
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