List Mgmt. 2022 List Management: Draft, Trade and FA

[theGav56]

Colin Young getting deals for his players of as much money as possible is fine by me. Good for them, they have finite windows to earn money.

I'm half expecting a tweet from the Freo team from Wolf of Wall Street where he is screaming "I'm not leaving!" and Mundy signs on for an extra year to try and cover the difference.

We've attracted players because of pressure on other teams cap space (Aish, Brodie), but when it happens to us they are being twats? Or players like Fyfe should take less money and are being overpaid and selfish?

Hypocrisy largely driven by us wanting to lure a player using a massive offer.

The salary cap is an equalisation strategy. The pinch comes. Swings and roundabouts.

 

[freo1997]

Either
1.Jackson isn’t coming and we’ll hold hiim.
2. Bulldogs don’t want him.
3. Mrs broke up with him.

 

[Polo342]

If North have infact offered Logue more than 500k a season then surely we can expect them to give us a decent trade? Swear to god it would be so unfair if they can pay him 500k plus and walk him to PSD!!!

 

[A New Hope]

Possible it was Logue for Jackson all this time

 

[gungho]

I think we should do our best to keep logue personally. With the injury history of Alex Pearce

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(and others) he is a definite need. Also, it would be bloody good if we kept Lobb. Tucker and Acres are more replaceable with the talent we have on the list.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Possible it was Logue for Jackson all this time

I dont think so, if Lobb stays, I think it means we've gone all in to keep him given how important he is to us now and we dont want to lose him.

Jackson playing Logues current role also makes a lot more sense for us

 

[malpaso]

Agree with this but remember it’s Jon Ralph writing this. He just makes s**t up.
He’s not far off Hagdorn levels. Was half suggesting that Richmond swap Soldo for Hopper yesterday FFS, and only backtracked on Twitter after the ridiculousness of it was called out.
There is no way anyone east is offering more than $600k for Logue. Just impossible. If we are offering $500k he will take it.
The only caveat is whether he gets to play in defence here. If that is the main factor in his thinking I wouldn’t blame him as much.
I see Chapman moving up the field and Logue slotting in though.
Or an injury - we have been blessed this year and inevitable it won’t always be like that

Yeah Ralph loves to put his opinions out there and push Richmond at the same time.. ala Gossage in the West..

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

We've attracted players because of pressure on other teams cap space (Aish, Brodie), but when it happens to us they are being twats? Or players like Fyfe should take less money and are being overpaid and selfish?

Hypocrisy largely driven by us wanting to lure a player using a massive offer.

The salary cap is an equalisation strategy. The pinch comes. Swings and roundabouts.

I dont think those examples are in any way the same as Logue. Those two were basically pushed out. Logue is being offered what would appear to be fair money.

 

[malpaso]

I can understand the $ for Logue from some clubs. Logue can lock down a dangerous KPF very well, hard to find.

 

[Outshined]

I dont think those examples are in any way the same as Logue. Those two were basically pushed out. Logue is being offered what would appear to be fair money.

Yep, very different circumstances. Cap squeezes are also more of an equaliser for a team full of A grade players who have won or at least been close to winning a few flags. Bar terrible list management decisions (i.e Gold Coast)

If Griff is getting a godfather offer like Taylor suggested, I can't begrudge him taking it. Even if Freo also has a fair contract on the table. Some players see it as a business decision which I'm sure most of us would also jump at in our respective careers.

Again though, I'm not considering anything a certainty given who his manager is.

 

[Wizard]

I would be over the moon if it came out that we signed him for an additional 3 years.

 

[Taylor]

I was joking about Mundy but now I think this could work for Rory Lobb

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Just splice on some players faces

 

[Demons09]

Tall defensive Fwd who has kicked 6 goals this year. Was worst on in the final. Wants 500k for 4.

Ladies and Gents…

Who plays on the mobile fwds like Curnow and Cameron then he’s more important than posters think he’s basically our swingman.

 

[King Tenz]

My money's on Lobb knowing that's exactly how it looks and has just done a bit of mid week fishing.

Not sure about that, footy players aren't the smartest of people.

Probably just meant onto next week's game lmao

 

[wakojako]

I would be over the moon if it came out that we signed him for an additional 3 years.

Y'all reactions are hilarious. He is clearly talking about pulling off another win against Collingwood.

 

[Dayts]

I guess you can never rule out being oblivious with AFL players?

I just can't see what would change his mind at this stage. As amazing as Saturday was, it's been obvious the team's on the way up all season yet the noise has persisted and gotten louder if anything.

And unlike Colon's other clients (so far), he's actually requested a trade previously.

Really? I thought that If anyones names dropped out of the media of late it’s been Lobbs!
There’s been more media about the dogs to not go after him than he’s going there…

 

[theGav56]

I dont think those examples are in any way the same as Logue. Those two were basically pushed out. Logue is being offered what would appear to be fair money.

Rubbish. There are numerous reasons why it's quite reasonable for Logue and other players to consider their futures.

Logue is being offered a significantly better deal and we don't want to match. He has a decision to make. So does the club.

We aren't even giving a clear indication that we are going to give him the best opportunity to develop his career. Despite Longmuir's mantra we are playing a defender as a forward. We're certainly not playing Logue in his best/preferred position, or the one he was drafted to play.

It doesn't mean he is a twat or a campaigner.

Our list management has provided an excess of defenders and a shortage of forwards.

 

[Taylor]

Really? I thought that If anyones names dropped out of the media of late it’s been Lobbs!
There’s been more media about the dogs to not go after him than he’s going there…

Dogs are in far more need for Logue than they are Lobb. Same with Sydney, same with Carlton, same with St Kilda, same with GWS

 

[theGav56]

Not sure about that, footy players aren't the smartest of people.

Probably just meant onto next week's game lmao

Crikeys. Our off field leaders are all ex footballers. Better sack them and get some corporate types in.

 

[Taylor]

Rubbish. There are numerous reasons why it's quite reasonable for Logue to consider his future.

Logue is being offered a significantly better deal and we don't want to match. He has a decision to make. So does the club.

We aren't even giving a clear indication that we are going to give him the best opportunity to develop his career. Despite Longmuir's mantra we are playing a defender as a forward. We're certainly not playing Logue in his best/preferred position, or the one he was drafted to play.

It doesn't mean he is a twat or a campaigner.

Our list management has provided an excess of defenders and a shortage of forwards.

As long as Fremantle extract good value out of a trade of a clearly valuable asset in Logue then it is just how it goes.

If we have signed Pearce and Cox to deals that combined barely cost more than one Logue and he isn't getting a game ahead of them meaning we play a half million dollar key defender as a forward who puts out $200,000 a year results - then we should be paying Logue for the role he will play.

He should get offers elsewhere and he should look after his long term interests.

I have no issue with players leaving for huge deals elsewhere, the clubs that lure them away are committing far more than we are, the player wins.

... as long as Fremantle extract good value out of a trade.

 

[Taylor]

We invested pick #8 in Logue, we've had 60 odd games out of him of varying quality ranging from absolute elite to barely noticed and significant time out injured.

 

[theGav56]

Yep, very different circumstances. Cap squeezes are also more of an equaliser for a team full of A grade players who have won or at least been close to winning a few flags. Bar terrible list management decisions (i.e Gold Coast)

If Griff is getting a godfather offer like Taylor suggested, I can't begrudge him taking it. Even if Freo also has a fair contract on the table. Some players see it as a business decision which I'm sure most of us would also jump at in our respective careers.

Again though, I'm not considering anything a certainty given who his manager is.

A bit of hot news for you; we are dropping a large contract in front of Jackson. Salary cap squeeze is caused by that kind of thing as well.

 

[Taylor]

We have a player being paid over a million bucks watching for most of the season. That's where the problem is.

 

[theGav56]

As long as Fremantle extract good value out of a trade of a clearly valuable asset in Logue then it is just how it goes.

If we have signed Pearce and Cox to deals that combined barely cost more than one Logue and he isn't getting a game ahead of them meaning we play a half million dollar key defender as a forward who puts out $200,000 a year results - then we should be paying Logue for the role he will play.

He should get offers elsewhere and he should look after his long term interests.

I have no issue with players leaving for huge deals elsewhere, the clubs that lure them away are committing far more than we are, the player wins.

... as long as Fremantle extract good value out of a trade.

Yeah I agree. But other players contracts are irrelevant really. The market drives the contract price.

And I wouldn't be optimistic about getting good value for trades despite our recent good history. It may happen or it may not. Just do the best we can.

 

[freo1997]

We have a player being paid over a million bucks watching for most of the season. That's where the problem is.

Go knock on his door and tell him to take a pay cut.