List Mgmt. 2022 Trade & List Management Thread III

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Spoiler: Confirmed Trades

Spoiler: 2022 Draft Pick Order

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Spoiler: 2023 Draft Pick Order

Spoiler: Key dates

AFL Trade Period Key Dates - AFL.com.au

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Key Dates:

Friday 07 October at 5.00pm
Close of AFL Restricted Free Agency Offer and Unrestricted Free Agency Period.

Monday 10 October
NAB AFL Draft Nominations open (9am)
AFL Restricted Free Agency Matching Offer 3 Day Period Ends (5pm)

Wednesday 12 October at 7.30pm
AFL Trade Period closes – players and selections


Thursday 03 November at 9.00am
AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (1) commences

Wednesday 09 November at 5.00pm

AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (1) closes

Friday 11 November at 9.00am

AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (2) commences

Tuesday 15 November by 5.00pm

AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (2) closes
AFL Trade Period closes – selections only

Monday 21 November by 3.00pm

NAB AFL Draft Nominations close

Monday 28 November at 7.10pm

2022 NAB AFL Draft Round One (Venue TBC)

Father/Son, Academy & NGA and Players Bidding opens.

Tuesday 29 November

AFL Trade Period – selections only (5.45pm to 6.30pm)

2022 NAB AFL National Draft Round two until completion (7pm)

Rookie Upgrade Period opens (10pm)

AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (3) commences (10pm)

Rookie Upgrade Period closes (11pm)

AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (3) closes (11pm)

Wednesday 30 November

NAB AFL Pre-Season Draft (3pm, online)
NAB AFL Rookie Draft (3.20pm, online)

Thursday 01 December by 4.00pm

Final AFL Club List Lodgement

 

[Jasemon]

Lions have just delisted Lester and cockatoo but will aim to get them in rookie draft

I remember we were all over Cockatoo before Geelong drafted him. He was going to be a superstar and then the Geelong list manager swooped in and took him right before our pick if I recall correctly. Hammies killed his career sadly (though perhaps not completely over if rookied).

 

[Heaps of fun]

I remember we were all over Cockatoo before Geelong drafted him. He was going to be a superstar and then the Geelong list manager swooped in and took him right before our pick if I recall correctly. Hammies killed his career sadly (though perhaps not completely over if rookied).

Jokes on them, we took Sam Durdin.

 

[Disco Dew]

Jokes on them, we took Sam Durdin.

Is this the Durdin, Nielsen, EVW draft?

 

[benbanjo]

Is this the Durdin, Nielsen, EVW draft?

Brrrzzzzzaaa

 

[New_Roo]

100% my issue is in isolation this pick swap is not a good result.

now when the full picture comes around we can judge it properly but for now we can only judge just what is in front of us not predicting what could be

Or how about this.... wait until it's done before you judge


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[guapo]

Mahony has played less than 50 games and was another player who went backwards under Noble.

I'll be waiting till the end of next year before I write him off.

Problem is you add Sheeez and Wardlaw to the long list of mids/forwards already on the list, he’d need a lot of injuries to even get a sniff of best 22. On exposed form there must be a dozen ahead of him

 

[DuckYeah]

Is this the Durdin, Nielsen, EVW draft?

Thank **** we get Sheezel huh?

 

[Hatchy1992]

Is this the Durdin, Nielsen, EVW draft?

Was that also under the Cameron Joyce days?

 

[Psicosis]

I'm worried Wardlaws hammys are like cockatoos... Never got a decent run at it

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I believe there were question marks around Nakia’s commitment & professionalism throughout, which contributed. I don’t think George will have that same issue.

 

[koshari]

Ngl, I’m not writing anyone off. I’m expecting a number of men we have dubbed shitmen this year to improve next year.

He could hardly regress. As a forward you can only go from no goals to giving them away.

And even thats difficult from the wrong end of the ground.

 

[Sillygit]

100%.

Can you imagine this board if we could trade 7 years in advance like the NBA?

Jesus tapdancing christ they go as far as 7 years?!

 

[chubbspeterson]

Been thinking about the prospect of trading down from pick 3. I can see it if they want to slide and take Jefferson and another mid first rounder/future 1st.
But it seems pretty unlikely at this point. I can't see too many teams having what would be required if they're not keen to trade future 1sts. I can only see Bombers this year as being a consideration. Hawks a maybe if they can get something higher this year or trade their future 2nd.
Sliding down obviously we'd have to open up another list spot if the extra pick was this year.

Bombers - Pick 4 and 22. Equiv of gaining pick 30. WORTH CONSIDERATION. Helps you take Tsatas/Humphrey/Jefferson perhaps with another slider (Weddle) and Gruzewski with pick 23 in the same draft.
Gold Coast - Pick 5 and future 1st or 2nd? UNLIKELY. I don't think they'd need to move up and their future 1st I doubt they'd give up. Future 2nd too high.
Hawks - Pick 6 and 24. NOPE (even on crappy PS). Could they package 40-50s picks to get us a top 15? Unlikely too happen. Future 2nd enough?
St Kilda - Pick 9 and 28. NOPE. Not high enough top 10 pick and 28 not early enough. Future 1st unlikely they'd offer that.
Blues - Pick 10 and 29. NOPE. Even on points not enough. Also drops too low in top 10 and future 1st may be finals level pick.
Dogs - Pick 11 and 21. NOPE. Wouldn't slide out of top 10.

 

[spurs]

On further reflection the pick swap is reasonable.

Worst case scenario is 2022 #23 for 2023 #19. Meh a 4 pick slide.

Best possible (but unrealistic) case scenario is 2022 #23 for 2023 #36.

Very best case scenario applying the reality check - probably 2022 #23 for 2023 #25-30. So potentially a net improvement.

We already have 2x picks inside the top 18 in 2023 so the pressure to get at the early talent is already relieved slightly. We also traded in a known quantity (defined pick position) for an unknown quantity (unknown pick position).

Like a few of our deals this year (unlike other years) the deal looks better on review.

Isn’t the 2023 draft very strong? I don’t like this trade.

 

[The Filth Wizard]

Been thinking about the prospect of trading down from pick 3. I can see it if they want to slide and take Jefferson and another mid first rounder/future 1st.
But it seems pretty unlikely at this point. I can't see too many teams having what would be required if they're not keen to trade future 1sts. I can only see Bombers this year as being a consideration. Hawks a maybe if they can get something higher this year or trade their future 2nd.
Sliding down obviously we'd have to open up another list spot if the extra pick was this year.

Bombers - Pick 4 and 22. Equiv of gaining pick 30. WORTH CONSIDERATION. Helps you take Tsatas/Humphrey/Jefferson perhaps with another slider (Weddle) and Gruzewski with pick 23 in the same draft.
Gold Coast - Pick 5 and future 1st or 2nd? UNLIKELY. I don't think they'd need to move up and their future 1st I doubt they'd give up. Future 2nd too high.
Hawks - Pick 6 and 24. NOPE (even on crappy PS). Could they package 40-50s picks to get us a top 15? Unlikely too happen. Future 2nd enough?
St Kilda - Pick 9 and 28. NOPE. Not high enough top 10 pick and 28 not early enough. Future 1st unlikely they'd offer that.
Blues - Pick 10 and 29. NOPE. Even on points not enough. Also drops too low in top 10 and future 1st may be finals level pick.
Dogs - Pick 11 and 21. NOPE. Wouldn't slide out of top 10.

Brady’s on record as saying he wants more picks in the 2023 first round so I’d imagine any slip down the order would have to include a good pick next year. The trade yesterday probably supports that, now we’re back into the early 20’s we don’t need to give up one of our first picks to improve the later draft.

It would need to be big for us to go shift, I think when they said they rate three players more than others that one of those was Cadman so we’ll take our next two confidently I think.

 

[Colby Cheer Squad]

Isn’t the 2023 draft very strong? I don’t like this trade.

These strong drafts - how many of them go that deep really? When's the last time a draft produced superstars from pick 1 all the way to pick 20? Sure, there are always sliders and there are always diamonds in the rough. But a strong draft is one with up to 10 terrific prospects, not 20. The next level of good to very good players might be more numerous in a particular year but there is less certainty of selecting a 200 game player in the 20s regardless of how highly touted a draft year might be. If our recruiters want to take a stab at a player this year instead of next, then I'm not going to criticise that based on some vague notion that next year's cohort is supposed to bat deeper.

 

[Shinboner1]

Been thinking about the prospect of trading down from pick 3. I can see it if they want to slide and take Jefferson and another mid first rounder/future 1st.
But it seems pretty unlikely at this point. I can't see too many teams having what would be required if they're not keen to trade future 1sts. I can only see Bombers this year as being a consideration. Hawks a maybe if they can get something higher this year or trade their future 2nd.
Sliding down obviously we'd have to open up another list spot if the extra pick was this year.

Bombers - Pick 4 and 22. Equiv of gaining pick 30. WORTH CONSIDERATION. Helps you take Tsatas/Humphrey/Jefferson perhaps with another slider (Weddle) and Gruzewski with pick 23 in the same draft.
Gold Coast - Pick 5 and future 1st or 2nd? UNLIKELY. I don't think they'd need to move up and their future 1st I doubt they'd give up. Future 2nd too high.
Hawks - Pick 6 and 24. NOPE (even on crappy PS). Could they package 40-50s picks to get us a top 15? Unlikely too happen. Future 2nd enough?
St Kilda - Pick 9 and 28. NOPE. Not high enough top 10 pick and 28 not early enough. Future 1st unlikely they'd offer that.
Blues - Pick 10 and 29. NOPE. Even on points not enough. Also drops too low in top 10 and future 1st may be finals level pick.
Dogs - Pick 11 and 21. NOPE. Wouldn't slide out of top 10.

With us acquiring pick 23 and Harvey locked in I just don't see it happening.
Maybe if we get a future 1st but that's it.

 

[spurs]

These strong drafts - how many of them go that deep really? When's the last time a draft produced superstars from pick 1 all the way to pick 20? Sure, there are always sliders and there are always diamonds in the rough. But a strong draft is one with up to 10 terrific prospects, not 20. The next level of good to very good players might be more numerous in a particular year but there is less certainty of selecting a 200 game player in the 20s regardless of how highly touted a draft year might be. If our recruiters want to take a stab at a player this year instead of next, then I'm not going to criticise that based on some vague notion that next year's cohort is supposed to bat deeper.

Pick 23 or 24 will be worse than a projected 19-21 next year. Others who know better than me believe next year is a super draft. Why would we trade a potentially better pick next year compared to this year with another of our picks thrown in? We must really have set our sights on a player we really like.

 

[Psicosis]

Pick 23 or 24 will be worse than a projected 19-21 next year. Others who know better than me believe next year is a super draft. Why would we trade a potentially better pick next year compared to this year with another of our picks thrown in? We must really have set our sights on a player we really like.

The last “super draft” was 2018. The “superness” of that draft deteriorated after pick 12.

People are throwing their toys out over things they genuinely have nfi about.

 

[lockheed]

Love me a good BF circular confirmation.

TAO: I'm hearing TAO is hung like a mule

<10 minutes later>

Random Poster: Anyone hearing TAO is seriously well equipped?

No

 

[spurs]

The last “super draft” was 2018. The “superness” of that draft deteriorated after pick 12.

People are throwing their toys out over things they genuinely have nfi about.

Fair enough.
Are you happy with the draft pick exchange?

 

[Harris 10]

Pick 23 or 24 will be worse than a projected 19-21 next year. Others who know better than me believe next year is a super draft. Why would we trade a potentially better pick next year compared to this year with another of our picks thrown in? We must really have set our sights on a player we really like.

The last “super draft” was 2018. The “superness” of that draft deteriorated after pick 12.

People are throwing their toys out over things they genuinely have nfi about.

 

[Psicosis]

Fair enough.
Are you happy with the draft pick exchange?

Yeah, I’m fine with it. I’ve said it before but one of Bradys real strengths is his ability to bring in multiple picks. We’ve gone from 1 and 55, to 2, 3 & 23 (granted we lost JHF). They’ve obviously targeted someone in that range. Last time they did a move like this we got Paul Curtis.

2023 is reported to be a very strong draft, but that isn’t the whole draft, it’s the pointy end. We have two first & I have no doubt we will do a similar move and get another early second next year.

 

[Only Forwards]

People are throwing their toys out over things they genuinely have nfi about.

This is BigFooty summed up in a sentence.

 

[Harris 10]

This is BigFooty summed up in a sentence.

That’s life summed up in sentence

 

[Zondor]

Yes Rawling is a Ironstein. No doubt about it. Can trade picks. Like pick 19 for a unproven Ruck Forward and ever since has been chasing his tail with draft pick trades. Sure caressing a bird with your finger is better than 2 with hairy bushes but if 2nd Round Picks aren't important why bother trading next years 2nd Rounder for one in this years draft? :stern look