List Mgmt. 2022 Trade & List Management Thread III

[giantroo]

Spoiler: Confirmed Trades

Spoiler: 2022 Draft Pick Order

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Spoiler: 2023 Draft Pick Order

Spoiler: Key dates

AFL Trade Period Key Dates - AFL.com.au

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Key Dates:

Friday 07 October at 5.00pm
Close of AFL Restricted Free Agency Offer and Unrestricted Free Agency Period.

Monday 10 October
NAB AFL Draft Nominations open (9am)
AFL Restricted Free Agency Matching Offer 3 Day Period Ends (5pm)

Wednesday 12 October at 7.30pm
AFL Trade Period closes – players and selections


Thursday 03 November at 9.00am
AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (1) commences

Wednesday 09 November at 5.00pm

AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (1) closes

Friday 11 November at 9.00am

AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (2) commences

Tuesday 15 November by 5.00pm

AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (2) closes
AFL Trade Period closes – selections only

Monday 21 November by 3.00pm

NAB AFL Draft Nominations close

Monday 28 November at 7.10pm

2022 NAB AFL Draft Round One (Venue TBC)

Father/Son, Academy & NGA and Players Bidding opens.

Tuesday 29 November

AFL Trade Period – selections only (5.45pm to 6.30pm)

2022 NAB AFL National Draft Round two until completion (7pm)

Rookie Upgrade Period opens (10pm)

AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (3) commences (10pm)

Rookie Upgrade Period closes (11pm)

AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (3) closes (11pm)

Wednesday 30 November

NAB AFL Pre-Season Draft (3pm, online)
NAB AFL Rookie Draft (3.20pm, online)

Thursday 01 December by 4.00pm

Final AFL Club List Lodgement

 

[Masked Avenger]

Pretty likely the Club has ranked the 3 players it's identified - so to give Essendon a sniff at one of our preferred 2 makes no sense to me. History says that once you get beyond pick 10 - it's a lottery.

 

[The acurate one]

So with the al clarko soon to be released from the state penitentiary

I see our midfield at least until end of 2024 looking like this. Cunners, LDU, Simpkin, Phillips, Powell then Tucker, Stevo and TT.

I have NFI FWIW, I though can see us overlooking Wardlaw. We lack gut runners and high possession footballers.

I reckon we may trade pick 3 to *, have a feeling. Now can without being nasty someone state why they don't want us to draft this bloke?

18/10/04
187cm/80kg
Oakleigh Chargers/Vic Metro
Midfielder
August ranking: 3

Tsatas missed Vic Metro's mid-year games with a foot fracture but came back last week for his first game at the level and collected 30 disposals and five clearances. The Oakleigh Chargers prospect had an excellent return to the field after his injury, putting in some commanding performances at NAB League level, including a best-afield display against Sandringham when he had 38 disposals and 13 inside-50s. He had 34 disposals and a goal in his side's wildcard round loss to Bendigo as well. An inside-outside midfielder with dash and quality.

that is all

 

[Roo202]

Not having any expertise at all, I am happy to be bringing an extra player in with an early second round pick (or wherever, after any more dealings, we end up with what is currently 23)

We've tried it both ways, postponing our first round a few years ago with the trade with the Dees, and now taking a pick a year early.

Aside from all of the other fallout of the JHF situation, we have lost a year's development to last year's first round pick. Add in WP missing a year (after also having a COVID stunted final jr year) and you can mount a very strong case for the wisdom in an another good pick this year to add to the 2 top 3 picks and get the players we need in the club as soon possible and getting a head start on the development of a core group of young players, particularly now we have a sense of optimism that we may finally have the foundations of a strong football department.

If there are a few good prospects they have identified as being likely available in that slot, bring one of them in now and worry about how deep next year's draft is next year, if we think we need an extra pick or picks, Brady has shown he is capable of dealing to get it done.

 

[Roo202]

Also, our future picks have never had more value than they do now. Finishing bottom and being written off as likely to be somewhere similar next year, we can trade with our future picks being valued as being in the first couple of picks of their round.

If we can cash in on an underestimate of our likely improvement in the next few years, as we improve, there is potentially an opportunity to trade the next year's pick at the current year's perceived value and extract a little extra for ourselves.

If we trade in a way we are still just happy with the deal if we finish in a similar position, any likely improvement, just adds more value to the deal.

 

[4cunningTonneTruck]

So with the al clarko soon to be released from the state penitentiary

I see our midfield at least until end of 2024 looking like this. Cunners, LDU, Simpkin, Phillips, Powell then Tucker, Stevo and TT.

I have NFI FWIW, I though can see us overlooking Wardlaw. We lack gut runners and high possession footballers.

I reckon we may trade pick 3 to *, have a feeling. Now can without being nasty someone state why they don't want us to draft this bloke?

18/10/04
187cm/80kg
Oakleigh Chargers/Vic Metro
Midfielder
August ranking: 3

Tsatas missed Vic Metro's mid-year games with a foot fracture but came back last week for his first game at the level and collected 30 disposals and five clearances. The Oakleigh Chargers prospect had an excellent return to the field after his injury, putting in some commanding performances at NAB League level, including a best-afield display against Sandringham when he had 38 disposals and 13 inside-50s. He had 34 disposals and a goal in his side's wildcard round loss to Bendigo as well. An inside-outside midfielder with dash and quality.

that is all

He has some red flags. Really poor defensive numbers and has questionable disposal, especially under pressure. Could turn into a gun, but it's almost unanimous that people rate Wardlaw ahead of Tsatas. Competition for spots is not a bad thing.

 

[Val Keating]

So with the al clarko soon to be released from the state penitentiary

I see our midfield at least until end of 2024 looking like this. Cunners, LDU, Simpkin, Phillips, Powell then Tucker, Stevo and TT.

I have NFI FWIW, I though can see us overlooking Wardlaw. We lack gut runners and high possession footballers.

I reckon we may trade pick 3 to *, have a feeling. Now can without being nasty someone state why they don't want us to draft this bloke?

18/10/04
187cm/80kg
Oakleigh Chargers/Vic Metro
Midfielder
August ranking: 3

Tsatas missed Vic Metro's mid-year games with a foot fracture but came back last week for his first game at the level and collected 30 disposals and five clearances. The Oakleigh Chargers prospect had an excellent return to the field after his injury, putting in some commanding performances at NAB League level, including a best-afield display against Sandringham when he had 38 disposals and 13 inside-50s. He had 34 disposals and a goal in his side's wildcard round loss to Bendigo as well. An inside-outside midfielder with dash and quality.

that is all

I think his kicking is a bit iffy.

 

[Souup]

So with the al clarko soon to be released from the state penitentiary

I see our midfield at least until end of 2024 looking like this. Cunners, LDU, Simpkin, Phillips, Powell then Tucker, Stevo and TT.

I have NFI FWIW, I though can see us overlooking Wardlaw. We lack gut runners and high possession footballers.

I reckon we may trade pick 3 to *, have a feeling. Now can without being nasty someone state why they don't want us to draft this bloke?

18/10/04
187cm/80kg
Oakleigh Chargers/Vic Metro
Midfielder
August ranking: 3

Tsatas missed Vic Metro's mid-year games with a foot fracture but came back last week for his first game at the level and collected 30 disposals and five clearances. The Oakleigh Chargers prospect had an excellent return to the field after his injury, putting in some commanding performances at NAB League level, including a best-afield display against Sandringham when he had 38 disposals and 13 inside-50s. He had 34 disposals and a goal in his side's wildcard round loss to Bendigo as well. An inside-outside midfielder with dash and quality.

that is all

Kicking is a bit hit and miss, struggles with composure in the contest and doesn't run or apply much defensive pressure.

No doubting his athleticism, ability to find the footy and adaptability to play inside or outside and do it well.

 

[GS WARRIORS]

So with the al clarko soon to be released from the state penitentiary

I see our midfield at least until end of 2024 looking like this. Cunners, LDU, Simpkin, Phillips, Powell then Tucker, Stevo and TT.

I have NFI FWIW, I though can see us overlooking Wardlaw. We lack gut runners and high possession footballers.

I reckon we may trade pick 3 to *, have a feeling. Now can without being nasty someone state why they don't want us to draft this bloke?

18/10/04
187cm/80kg
Oakleigh Chargers/Vic Metro
Midfielder
August ranking: 3

Tsatas missed Vic Metro's mid-year games with a foot fracture but came back last week for his first game at the level and collected 30 disposals and five clearances. The Oakleigh Chargers prospect had an excellent return to the field after his injury, putting in some commanding performances at NAB League level, including a best-afield display against Sandringham when he had 38 disposals and 13 inside-50s. He had 34 disposals and a goal in his side's wildcard round loss to Bendigo as well. An inside-outside midfielder with dash and quality.

that is all

1 tackle per game would concern even the most offensive minded coach.

 

[My Left Foote]

Jesus tapdancing christ they go as far as 7 years?!

It’s crazy imagine the melts on this board if we were doing shit like this…

 

[The acurate one]

ok so can * trade next year's first and second for our pick 3 this yr? They'd be mad for Wardlaw I'd suggest.

Need him tbh, more so than we do.

 

[Sillygit]

It’s crazy imagine the melts on this board if we were doing s**t like this…
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has anyone ever gone fully in to a single draft? like trading out next years first for pick 1, year after that for pick 2, etc to 7?

It would probably be a ****ing stupid thing to do, but hilarious to have the first 7 picks

 

[Psicosis]

ok so can * trade next year's first and second for our pick 3 this yr? They'd be mad for Wardlaw I'd suggest.

Need him tbh, more so than we do.

Surprised Doedee isn’t hidden in there somewhere TAO

 

[giantroo]

"Three months isn’t long enough": Delisted Cats forward Zane Williams questions former club's list call

The 21-year-old was drafted to Geelong in June.

www.zerohanger.com

 

[chubbspeterson]

Brady’s on record as saying he wants more picks in the 2023 first round so I’d imagine any slip down the order would have to include a good pick next year. The trade yesterday probably supports that, now we’re back into the early 20’s we don’t need to give up one of our first picks to improve the later draft.

It would need to be big for us to go shift, I think when they said they rate three players more than others that one of those was Cadman so we’ll take our next two confidently I think.

Yeah I just don't think any teams will give that future 1st. Yeah that's what they say publicly about top 3 being even but behind the scenes who really knows what they're thinking. I think first two selections by giants and us will be interesting. How bad do those teams want no. 3 on draft night?
Gonna be fascinating.

 

[JGreezy]

has anyone ever gone fully in to a single draft? like trading out next years first for pick 1, year after that for pick 2, etc to 7?

It would probably be a ******* stupid thing to do, but hilarious to have the first 7 picks

You can't trade first round picks for consecutive years. So you can trade 4 at a time.

That rule was brought in because in the 80s the Cavs traded all of their future picks for decents, not great, players. Then they turned bad and had no way to get good. Meanwhile, because they were bad, the picks were used to draft stars and hall of famers.

They do allow pick swaps. So, for example, we could trade our 3rd pick to * for pick 4 and swap rights next season.
Then, we get to choose if we swap picks with * next year. If they finish below us we will swap places with them.

Teams have traded 4 first round picks and 3 pick swaps (for the years between the picks). This is always involving star players, though.

They also allow pick protections. We could trade our F1 next year but say that if it ends up as pick 1 then we keep it and the other team can get our 2024 F1, instead.

 

[The Filth Wizard]

Yeah I just don't think any teams will give that future 1st. Yeah that's what they say publicly about top 3 being even but behind the scenes who really knows what they're thinking. I think first two selections by giants and us will be interesting. How bad do those teams want no. 3 on draft night?
Gonna be fascinating.

I find it hard to underestimate their interest in the top 3 this year, once Umbilical Cord Francis asked to leave we did all the work to ensure 1 turned into those picks so there’s two locked and loaded imo. I don’t think somebody now will offer the future 1st plus this round but you never know if somebody decides they are deeply in love with Wardlaw for example. Will be interesting but I’m happy if we draft, where I’m really fascinated now is this new move into R2 and how we might make those other picks work. We’re not done trading for sure.

 

[Bashnek]

Doubt we'll end up trading 3, but im sure Brady & co are getting plenty of intel from oppo clubs by putting it open to offers

 

[Smoocher]

So with the al clarko soon to be released from the state penitentiary

I see our midfield at least until end of 2024 looking like this. Cunners, LDU, Simpkin, Phillips, Powell then Tucker, Stevo and TT.

I have NFI FWIW, I though can see us overlooking Wardlaw. We lack gut runners and high possession footballers.

I reckon we may trade pick 3 to *, have a feeling. Now can without being nasty someone state why they don't want us to draft this bloke?

18/10/04
187cm/80kg
Oakleigh Chargers/Vic Metro
Midfielder
August ranking: 3

Tsatas missed Vic Metro's mid-year games with a foot fracture but came back last week for his first game at the level and collected 30 disposals and five clearances. The Oakleigh Chargers prospect had an excellent return to the field after his injury, putting in some commanding performances at NAB League level, including a best-afield display against Sandringham when he had 38 disposals and 13 inside-50s. He had 34 disposals and a goal in his side's wildcard round loss to Bendigo as well. An inside-outside midfielder with dash and quality.

that is all

Absolutely spot on.

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[JGreezy]

So with the al clarko soon to be released from the state penitentiary

I see our midfield at least until end of 2024 looking like this. Cunners, LDU, Simpkin, Phillips, Powell then Tucker, Stevo and TT.

I have NFI FWIW, I though can see us overlooking Wardlaw. We lack gut runners and high possession footballers.

I reckon we may trade pick 3 to *, have a feeling. Now can without being nasty someone state why they don't want us to draft this bloke?

18/10/04
187cm/80kg
Oakleigh Chargers/Vic Metro
Midfielder
August ranking: 3

Tsatas missed Vic Metro's mid-year games with a foot fracture but came back last week for his first game at the level and collected 30 disposals and five clearances. The Oakleigh Chargers prospect had an excellent return to the field after his injury, putting in some commanding performances at NAB League level, including a best-afield display against Sandringham when he had 38 disposals and 13 inside-50s. He had 34 disposals and a goal in his side's wildcard round loss to Bendigo as well. An inside-outside midfielder with dash and quality.

that is all

Obviously we have no control over who North picks. If they pick Tsatas then I will trust that they think that his stat accumulation and attacking run overcomes his lack of defense, or that they can teach him to tackle.

I would pick Wardlaw over him, based on what I have seen and heard.

I am optimistic but I don't think that we can guarantee that Powell, Phillips etc. will be Grand Finals winning midfielders. I would draft the best player available.

But maybe the best player is Tsatas.

 

[ferball]

Problem is you add Sheeez and Wardlaw to the long list of mids/forwards already on the list, he’d need a lot of injuries to even get a sniff of best 22. On exposed form there must be a dozen ahead of him

Its not about the best 22, its about a list who can all play at the level so we constantly have pressure on spots and a high level side playing VFL. YThen replace him when we've got someone better.

Like Jed.

Oops.

 

[tiltraise]

I reckon 43 is for Cooper. We trade out 40 after the Ashcroft bid. Get a similar pick next year.

43 has value.

Why waste that value on points matching for Harvey when he may not even get bid on by that point of draft.

Trade it back pick up some futures.

Even something like this would be better than nothing.

In: 54, f4
Out: 43

 

[tiltraise]

"Three months isn’t long enough": Delisted Cats forward Zane Williams questions former club's list call

The 21-year-old was drafted to Geelong in June.

www.zerohanger.com

Could we look at Williams for a rookie slot?

 

[Usayed Givashe]

Mahony has played less than 50 games and was another player who went backwards under Noble.

I'll be waiting till the end of next year before I write him off.

Why would you wait another year?

I don’t know Jack, I’m sure he’s a great kid and frankly it’s not his fault we drafted him.

I can’t find room for Taylor and Scott in our best 22, yeah I know but it’s my truth and we already have gun junior mids playing out of position.

I have never seen anything to suggest that he is an AFL level small forward. He doesn’t kick goals, he’s too small to lay a tackle, has very average ability with ball in hand, he handballs to players feet consistently and fumbles constantly and doesn’t create goals as he is a poor decision maker and panicky.

Him, Walker & Lazarro are shocking selections - nothing more to it.

Pick 23 or 24 will be worse than a projected 19-21 next year. Others who know better than me believe next year is a super draft. Why would we trade a potentially better pick next year compared to this year with another of our picks thrown in? We must really have set our sights on a player we really like.

I don’t understand why we didn’t use picks 40+43 to move up to 23, they are basically the equivalent in points value.

We are hopeless at trading, I’m convinced we are completely clueless in regards to consensus value - we literally apply our own gorilla math formula to every trade.

We are the losers in every trade. Even the ones we win, we win by so little it’s actually inconsequential.

 

[kool kangas]

Could we look at Williams for a rookie slot?

Brady has stated the they will be looking at mature players to fill their rookie spots so unless he does a backflip l cant see it happening..

 

[hilly]

Why would you wait another year?

I don’t know Jack, I’m sure he’s a great kid and frankly it’s not his fault we drafted him.

I can’t find room for Taylor and Scott in our best 22, yeah I know but it’s my truth and we already have gun junior mids playing out of position.

I have never seen anything to suggest that he is an AFL level small forward. He doesn’t kick goals, he’s too small to lay a tackle, has very average ability with ball in hand, he handballs to players feet consistently and fumbles constantly and doesn’t create goals as he is a poor decision maker and panicky.

Him, Walker & Lazarro are shocking selections - nothing more to it.



I don’t understand why we didn’t use picks 40+43 to move up to 23, they are basically the equivalent in points value.

We are hopeless at trading, I’m convinced we are completely clueless in regards to consensus value - we literally apply our own gorilla math formula to every trade.

We are the losers in every trade. Even the ones we win, we win by so little it’s actually inconsequential.

I think the Crows would have had better offers for it than 40 + 43.

How many trades are 'won' these days?

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