List Mgmt. 2022 Trade & List Management Thread III

[giantroo]

Spoiler: Confirmed Trades

Spoiler: 2022 Draft Pick Order

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Spoiler: 2023 Draft Pick Order

Spoiler: Key dates

AFL Trade Period Key Dates - AFL.com.au

When does Free Agency begin? How long does the Trade Period go for? Find out on AFL.com.au.

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Key Dates:

Friday 07 October at 5.00pm
Close of AFL Restricted Free Agency Offer and Unrestricted Free Agency Period.

Monday 10 October
NAB AFL Draft Nominations open (9am)
AFL Restricted Free Agency Matching Offer 3 Day Period Ends (5pm)

Wednesday 12 October at 7.30pm
AFL Trade Period closes – players and selections


Thursday 03 November at 9.00am
AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (1) commences

Wednesday 09 November at 5.00pm

AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (1) closes

Friday 11 November at 9.00am

AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (2) commences

Tuesday 15 November by 5.00pm

AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (2) closes
AFL Trade Period closes – selections only

Monday 21 November by 3.00pm

NAB AFL Draft Nominations close

Monday 28 November at 7.10pm

2022 NAB AFL Draft Round One (Venue TBC)

Father/Son, Academy & NGA and Players Bidding opens.

Tuesday 29 November

AFL Trade Period – selections only (5.45pm to 6.30pm)

2022 NAB AFL National Draft Round two until completion (7pm)

Rookie Upgrade Period opens (10pm)

AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (3) commences (10pm)

Rookie Upgrade Period closes (11pm)

AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (3) closes (11pm)

Wednesday 30 November

NAB AFL Pre-Season Draft (3pm, online)
NAB AFL Rookie Draft (3.20pm, online)

Thursday 01 December by 4.00pm

Final AFL Club List Lodgement

 

[King Corey]

Joel Selwood is a commie, the guy could get paid ten times what he is but for some reason he works for equal pay as a rookie.
#provemewrong

It's hard to shake off that selfless Geelong culture.

 

[DesertRoo]

It's hard to shake off that selfless Geelong culture.

I don’t but it for a second, the guy clearly has ideological reasons for doing what he’s doing..

 

[King Corey]

I don’t but it for a second, the guy clearly has ideological reasons for doing what he’s doing..

FACT: The hammer and sickle symbology originated from Costa Orchards in 1870, when the best 22 farmers in the country decided to work together pro bono "for the love of the land"

 

[big_e]

I don’t but it for a second, the guy clearly has ideological reasons for doing what he’s doing..

Fact: The Marx Brothers best film was Duck Soup.

Selwood/Marxism link is thus confirmed.

 

[DesertRoo]

Fact: The Marx Brothers best film was Duck Soup.

Selwood/Marxism link is thus confirmed.

Hahhaha big_e for the win!

 

[roos 10]

Robert Harvey senior assistant at saints

 

[Mr Lloyd Christmas]

Carlton - where the soft cap is something you put on your head

Reckon the Cats enjoy a similar soft cap.....

 

[Shinboner1]

Got told last night Joel Selwood will be a assistant coach at Carlton next year

heck that's a big miss for us

 

[roos 10]

* that's a big miss for us

Brain cook got him over the line

 

[tales129]

Brain cook got him over the line

Been in the pipeline for a least a month

 

[Bashnek]

Robert Harvey senior assistant at saints

they havent mentioned whether they're keeping Benny Jacobs, with Patch becoming our fwd coach would be cool to see him back at the club as a development coach

 

[ferball]

So when you’ve had enough dinner and there’s still a bit of pie leftover - you don’t let anyone else have it in case you want it later

 

[ferball]

Curtis was great for a second rounder.
We were due a good one.
Perez, Mahoney, Lazzaro, comben, Kyron, Bergman, goater, (I have probably missed some) have not improved our seniors whatsoever at this stage. Some have been on the list 3 years already.
You need to look at the whole picture not just concentrate on the 1 successful pick we have had.

In a few games Perez has.

We're due some second rounders to give us something. If we get good returns from Perez, Comben, Goater and Curtis we'll be in a good situation for the next five years. Anything else would be a bonus.

I agree with your basic point tho but I think a more accurate picture would be found if we got figures for first rounders and players up to pick 25 and compared them against the rest of the second round, then the third. There is a big difference between players in the early 20s and mid 30s usually. Especially in a strong draft. Even Ben McKay was a first rounder but went at 21.

Also, I've wondered how much of these stats are an artifact of the way AFL clubs manage lists and not necessarily a reflection of talent. Second rounders are less likely to get game time over first rounders, they have to really work to get it and they are more likely to get delisted. They may be as talented but miss development opportunities etc.

One final point ... 2nd rounders can be higly ranked players who slide due to injury as well. For example Comben and Perez. Not only does injury increase their chances of not making it it slows their dvelopment so they may take a year or more longer to get to 50 games than an uninjured player.

I guess what I'm saying is ... well for a start look at our 2nd round drafting since 2015.

- Ryan Clarke is the only one with a half decent career isn't he? BUt Curtis, Perez, Goater and Comben still have loads of potential from the little they've shown so far. -

So those averages can be gamed a bit if you have good recruitment and development and poor efforts like our over the last 8 seasons can lower the averages as well. And the depth of the draft class probably makes a difference.

Nailing those second round piucks isn't just a matter of luck, it takes competence as well.

 

[Smoocher]

If we bundle up picks 2 and 3 would GWS give us pick 1 and next year's 1st.

Would give us 3 1st rounders next year.



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[ferball]

I'd suggest Ziebell the worst AFL Captain of all time.

He's not even the worst captain in the AFL last season!

 

[benbanjo]

If we bundle up picks 2 and 3 would GWS give us pick 1 and next year's 1st.

Would give us 3 1st rounders next year.



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Yeah sure why not.
We seem to be the only team who can't get anything decent from GWS.

 

[ferball]

Crucified by his own people

Take it to the whipping boy thread.

 

[DesertRoo]

If we bundle up picks 2 and 3 would GWS give us pick 1 and next year's 1st.

Would give us 3 1st rounders next year.



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Package up 2 and 23 to * for 4 and their f1, hubris of Scott, will encourage them to do something stupid.

 

[Mr Lloyd Christmas]

He's not even the worst captain in the AFL last season!

Good point.

Plenty of shithouse Captains at the moment.

 

[pupstar]

Take it to the whipping boy thread.

We should not even have a whipping boy thread in my opinion. Champion player great player average play not so good a player at the end of the day they are all North players. Please no one mention you know who.

 

[ferball]

We should not even have a whipping boy thread in my opinion. Champion player great player average play not so good a player at the end of the day they are all North players. Please no one mention you know who.

Yeah, i agree.

 

[buttox]

In a few games Perez has.

We're due some second rounders to give us something. If we get good returns from Perez, Comben, Goater and Curtis we'll be in a good situation for the next five years. Anything else would be a bonus.

I agree with your basic point tho but I think a more accurate picture would be found if we got figures for first rounders and players up to pick 25 and compared them against the rest of the second round, then the third. There is a big difference between players in the early 20s and mid 30s usually. Especially in a strong draft. Even Ben McKay was a first rounder but went at 21.

Also, I've wondered how much of these stats are an artifact of the way AFL clubs manage lists and not necessarily a reflection of talent. Second rounders are less likely to get game time over first rounders, they have to really work to get it and they are more likely to get delisted. They may be as talented but miss development opportunities etc.

One final point ... 2nd rounders can be higly ranked players who slide due to injury as well. For example Comben and Perez. Not only does injury increase their chances of not making it it slows their dvelopment so they may take a year or more longer to get to 50 games than an uninjured player.

I guess what I'm saying is ... well for a start look at our 2nd round drafting since 2015.

- Ryan Clarke is the only one with a half decent career isn't he? BUt Curtis, Perez, Goater and Comben still have loads of potential from the little they've shown so far. -

So those averages can be gamed a bit if you have good recruitment and development and poor efforts like our over the last 8 seasons can lower the averages as well. And the depth of the draft class probably makes a difference.

Nailing those second round piucks isn't just a matter of luck, it takes competence as well.

Clubs have got better at drafting imo. This means more successful first round picks and more fails are pushed into the second round. I reckon the number of successful picks is pretty similar when comparing one draft to another years draft. Personally I reckon clubs put too much value in a player being ready to go. Clubs in our position need to improve next year not in the 2-3 years it may take to have a real jet to develop.
History says the top 5 are really the only sure things in each draft. It gets more speculative as the draft goes on. Folks love to point at clubs like Sydney getting guns in the second round. But if you look at the figures they have had there share of fails as well.
Some years bat deeper than others for sure. But by the time pick 20 comes around the bones have been picked out of most draft classes. It's just how it works.
For me if I had the choice of taking pick 20 in the draft or trading it for someone like Logue I would take Logue everyday of the week.

 

[Psicosis]

Clubs have got better at drafting imo. This means more successful first round picks and more fails are pushed into the second round. I reckon the number of successful picks is pretty similar when comparing one draft to another years draft. Personally I reckon clubs put too much value in a player being ready to go. Clubs in our position need to improve next year not in the 2-3 years it may take to have a real jet to develop.
History says the top 5 are really the only sure things in each draft. It gets more speculative as the draft goes on. Folks love to point at clubs like Sydney getting guns in the second round. But if you look at the figures they have had there share of fails as well.
Some years bat deeper than others for sure. But by the time pick 20 comes around the bones have been picked out of most draft classes. It's just how it works.
For me if I had the choice of taking pick 20 in the draft or trading it for someone like Logue I would take Logue everyday of the week.

Sydney also have Darymple who is largely regarded as the best recruiter in the land. They’re not the ordinary.

 

[rickety]

He's not even the worst captain in the AFL last season!

That said, who's he got covered though? Heppell, that bloke from Hawthorn, you know, big bloke, bad hair, plays in the backline ...

 

[Lomas]

That said, who's he got covered though? Heppell, that bloke from Hawthorn, you know, big bloke, bad hair, plays in the backline ...

Old mate from the Bears didn't cover himself in glory?