List Mgmt. 2022 Trade & List Management Thread III

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Spoiler: Confirmed Trades

Spoiler: 2022 Draft Pick Order

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Spoiler: 2023 Draft Pick Order

Spoiler: Key dates

AFL Trade Period Key Dates - AFL.com.au

When does Free Agency begin? How long does the Trade Period go for? Find out on AFL.com.au.

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Key Dates:

Friday 07 October at 5.00pm
Close of AFL Restricted Free Agency Offer and Unrestricted Free Agency Period.

Monday 10 October
NAB AFL Draft Nominations open (9am)
AFL Restricted Free Agency Matching Offer 3 Day Period Ends (5pm)

Wednesday 12 October at 7.30pm
AFL Trade Period closes – players and selections


Thursday 03 November at 9.00am
AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (1) commences

Wednesday 09 November at 5.00pm

AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (1) closes

Friday 11 November at 9.00am

AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (2) commences

Tuesday 15 November by 5.00pm

AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (2) closes
AFL Trade Period closes – selections only

Monday 21 November by 3.00pm

NAB AFL Draft Nominations close

Monday 28 November at 7.10pm

2022 NAB AFL Draft Round One (Venue TBC)

Father/Son, Academy & NGA and Players Bidding opens.

Tuesday 29 November

AFL Trade Period – selections only (5.45pm to 6.30pm)

2022 NAB AFL National Draft Round two until completion (7pm)

Rookie Upgrade Period opens (10pm)

AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (3) commences (10pm)

Rookie Upgrade Period closes (11pm)

AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (3) closes (11pm)

Wednesday 30 November

NAB AFL Pre-Season Draft (3pm, online)
NAB AFL Rookie Draft (3.20pm, online)

Thursday 01 December by 4.00pm

Final AFL Club List Lodgement

 

[Roo096]

Let Jed go and keep Turner.Nice one!

 

[Heaps of fun]

Jesus was a Jew.

Next big religion: Sheeziantity.

 

[Roo096]

Jesus was a Jew.

Next big religion: Sheeziantity.

Crucified by his own people

 

[Kangaroos techno]

Talking to a guy today who’s info is pretty good ( knows a couple of players) says Turner is expecting to be Rookie listed.

 

[koshari]

Jesus was a Jew.

Next big religion: Sheeziantity.

Getting in early

 

[koshari]

Crucified by his own people

Not to be confised with "the jesus"

 

[koshari]

Crucified by his own people

From judas to jesus, metaphorically things are looking up.

 

[amaz199]

Talking to a guy today who’s info is pretty good ( knows a couple of players) says Turner is expecting to be Rookie listed.

Not the absolute end of the world if true. Wanted him delisted earlier in the year but if our coaching was really as bad as rumoured, wouldn't be against a rookie spot. I would rookie purely for nailing Judas.

 

[Shinboner1]

Not the absolute end of the world if true. Wanted him delisted earlier in the year but if our coaching was really as bad as rumoured, wouldn't be against a rookie spot. I would rookie purely for nailing Judas.

Played under noble, couldn't get a game under patch.
Not sure if we should be carrying a late 20yr old who can't manage a game in the worst defence in the AFL.
Nevermind the shockingly bad stats.

 

[bennymate]

Talking to a guy today who’s info is pretty good ( knows a couple of players) says Turner is expecting to be Rookie listed.

 

[buttox]

Let Jed go and keep Turner.Nice one!

One has been in the leadership group the last 2 years and has won the best clubman award before.
The other shows up more than a month late for preseason, is injured every year and does not listen to the doctor's.
We need leadership. I would delist both but I can understand if we keep Turner.

 

[Tas]

Herd same thing

We are getting Hird? :stern look

 

[RossHenshaw]

Talking to a guy today who’s info is pretty good ( knows a couple of players) says Turner is expecting to be Rookie listed.

 

[Usayed Givashe]

I think the Crows would have had better offers for it than 40 + 43.

How many trades are 'won' these days?

On SM-S901E using BigFooty.com mobile app

Possibly and plenty.

Geelong and Bowes?
Brisbane and Gunston?
Geelong won the Kelly Trade
Carlton won the Gibbs trade
Richmond won the CCJ trade
Port won the Judas Trade
Adelaide won the Dawson Trade

We won the Greenwood trade, gee we were clever. So clever we are stuck with that glacier for 2 more years and had to get rid of Jed to make it happen.

It’s just dumb.

Hilly, you are smart man.

1. Why are we trading 40+43 out to replace them with worse players at worse picks? Surely we just delist more players and take 6 in the draft?

2. See above, like wtaf?

They really aren't.
You need 2.7 picks in that range for a 100 game player.
Bigfooty over values them.

Using data from 1989 doesn’t work in this instance.

Use the data since the they made it a 2 night draft, and the relative value it holds, not just as a pick but a trading lever makes more sense.

 

[The acurate one]

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Good on him going by the fact there is two balls and his phone is clearly open on the calculator app. JHFF is learning to count.

#Poort

 

[buttox]

Possibly and plenty.

Geelong and Bowes?
Brisbane and Gunston?
Geelong won the Kelly Trade
Carlton won the Gibbs trade
Richmond won the CCJ trade
Port won the Judas Trade
Adelaide won the Dawson Trade

We won the Greenwood trade, gee we were clever. So clever we are stuck with that glacier for 2 more years and had to get rid of Jed to make it happen.

It’s just dumb.

Hilly, you are smart man.

1. Why are we trading 40+43 out to replace them with worse players at worse picks? Surely we just delist more players and take 6 in the draft?

2. See above, like wtaf?


Using data from 1989 doesn’t work in this instance.

Use the data since the they made it a 2 night draft, and the relative value it holds, not just as a pick but a trading lever makes more sense.

So the data you want to use is the last 3 or 4 years? That would be worse as no one will have played 100 games. No one is proven yet in the 20-30 range. Picks in that range take time to mature as all the ready to go players are top 10 most years. Having a break after the first round has zero effect on who is left for 20s picks. Drafts just don't go that deep with sure things. It's more fails than successful picks. Always has been always will be. Our picks over the last 3-4 years should show this, all clubs are similar.
Bigfooty over values second round picks.

 

[Passmore]

Good on him going by the fact there is two balls and his phone is clearly open on the calculator app. JHFF is learning to count.

#Poort

2 more balls than he's got.

Sent from my SM-A908B using Tapatalk

 

[Roo096]

One has been in the leadership group the last 2 years and has won the best clubman award before.
The other shows up more than a month late for preseason, is injured every year and does not listen to the doctor's.
We need leadership. I would delist both but I can understand if we keep Turner.

Yes totally agree Turner bleeds blue and white great clubman but on field is a very limited footballer, i think Anderson on a rookie list makes more sense.

 

[tiltraise]

 

[hilly]

Possibly and plenty.

Geelong and Bowes?
Brisbane and Gunston?
Geelong won the Kelly Trade
Carlton won the Gibbs trade
Richmond won the CCJ trade
Port won the Judas Trade
Adelaide won the Dawson Trade

We won the Greenwood trade, gee we were clever. So clever we are stuck with that glacier for 2 more years and had to get rid of Jed to make it happen.

It’s just dumb.

Hilly, you are smart man.

1. Why are we trading 40+43 out to replace them with worse players at worse picks? Surely we just delist more players and take 6 in the draft?

2. See above, like wtaf?


Using data from 1989 doesn’t work in this instance.

Use the data since the they made it a 2 night draft, and the relative value it holds, not just as a pick but a trading lever makes more sense.

1. Ridiculous list management from the Suns and looks suss
2. Free agent, trade purely to dance around compo
3. They did but at the time plenty were saying Kelly would be a huge loss.
4 True, not sure anyone saw Gibb declining at the rate he did
5 They did, I've mentioned before how much we overpaid
6 Perhaps - the upside is there. I thought we did ok given we clearly wanted him out
7 Marginal imo
8. No I'm not but thanks
9. Agree but I wonder if the value of the first pick on the 2nd night is being overstated a touch. It didn't move last year. There is always a cost attached to moving up - I hope/think we have worked out who the player might be.

I'd still maintain that the majority of trades are largely neutral these days (i.e. not data from 1989 when clubs would trade pick 1 for journeymen). I reckon we did okay on the Logue/Tucker deal in terms of cost and making use of expiring picks.

I don't know in terms of the latter stages of the draft. RF08, Soup etc may.

 

[CharlieMortdecai]

So the data you want to use is the last 3 or 4 years? That would be worse as no one will have played 100 games. No one is proven yet in the 20-30 range. Picks in that range take time to mature as all the ready to go players are top 10 most years. Having a break after the first round has zero effect on who is left for 20s picks. Drafts just don't go that deep with sure things. It's more fails than successful picks. Always has been always will be. Our picks over the last 3-4 years should show this, all clubs are similar.
Bigfooty over values second round picks.

Well do the stats for the last 10 years then. I do think "always has been always will be" is not correct on drafting, there has been continuous improvement since the days of Stephen Hooper being the number one pick.
I would also be very curious to see how many round 2+ picks were in recent premiership teams. Maybe overall round 2 picks are shit because the likes of North continuously screw the pooch, while the good sides nail them. In which case we shouldn't give up on them, but rather look to improve our drafting in this range.

 

[Tiberius]

So when you’ve had enough dinner and there’s still a bit of pie leftover - you don’t let anyone else have it in case you want it later

This has got me baffled. How can you have had enough dinner if there's still pie left?

 

[roos 10]

Got told last night Joel Selwood will be a assistant coach at Carlton next year

 

[King Corey]

Got told last night Joel Selwood will be a assistant coach at Carlton next year

Carlton - where the soft cap is something you put on your head

 

[DesertRoo]

Carlton - where the soft cap is something you put on your head

Joel Selwood is a commie, the guy could get paid ten times what he is but for some reason he works for equal pay as a rookie.
#provemewrong