List Mgmt. 2022 Trade & List Management Thread III

[giantroo]

Spoiler: Confirmed Trades

Spoiler: 2022 Draft Pick Order

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Spoiler: 2023 Draft Pick Order

Spoiler: Key dates

AFL Trade Period Key Dates - AFL.com.au

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Key Dates:

Friday 07 October at 5.00pm
Close of AFL Restricted Free Agency Offer and Unrestricted Free Agency Period.

Monday 10 October
NAB AFL Draft Nominations open (9am)
AFL Restricted Free Agency Matching Offer 3 Day Period Ends (5pm)

Wednesday 12 October at 7.30pm
AFL Trade Period closes – players and selections


Thursday 03 November at 9.00am
AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (1) commences

Wednesday 09 November at 5.00pm

AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (1) closes

Friday 11 November at 9.00am

AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (2) commences

Tuesday 15 November by 5.00pm

AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (2) closes
AFL Trade Period closes – selections only

Monday 21 November by 3.00pm

NAB AFL Draft Nominations close

Monday 28 November at 7.10pm

2022 NAB AFL Draft Round One (Venue TBC)

Father/Son, Academy & NGA and Players Bidding opens.

Tuesday 29 November

AFL Trade Period – selections only (5.45pm to 6.30pm)

2022 NAB AFL National Draft Round two until completion (7pm)

Rookie Upgrade Period opens (10pm)

AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (3) commences (10pm)

Rookie Upgrade Period closes (11pm)

AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (3) closes (11pm)

Wednesday 30 November

NAB AFL Pre-Season Draft (3pm, online)
NAB AFL Rookie Draft (3.20pm, online)

Thursday 01 December by 4.00pm

Final AFL Club List Lodgement

 

[wazza03]

Yes.

Nate Caddy, Archer Reid, Logan Morris all look good.

Harley Reid (Mid/Utility), who I believe is 186cm already, also showed in the Metro V Country game that he can be an extremely damaging deep forward. Will be interesting if he keeps growing.

You can also add Daniel Curtin from Claremont to this list. He is 195cm and won the medal for best on ground in the futures game. Hopefully will grow a bit more over the next 12 months.


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[Hearts to hearts]

Bombers 4,22 future 2nd for pick 3 ,43,59 70

then 22 to the saints for hunter Clark

Leaves us 2,4,40

Hypothesis or ITK?

 

[roos 10]

Hypothesis or ITK?

I don’t know about all of it but did here 3 for 4,22

 

[JOEYB]

Bombers 4,22 future 2nd for pick 3 ,43,59 70

then 22 to the saints for hunter Clark

Leaves us 2,4,40

Doesn't leave much to match any potential bid on young Harvey. The more i read about "Gorgeous" George Wardlaw the more i want us to take him....and then whichever of the other 3 fall to us. Sounds like an animal on the field .Someone who WILL play for the jumper.

 

[Disco Dew]

Said it a week ago will say it again - that little **** has galvanised North Melbourne.

With any luck he's knocked the Feng Shui post-Carey back into place.

I bloody love it.
Not upset to see JHF gone at all.

I know everyone wanted to froth over him at the beginning but I was never sold. Still not.

This whole “generational talent” bullshit that’s been thrown about has been nothing short of premature.

If he was that good he would have gone off this year regardless of the teams general shitness or other issues he may have had. That’s what a generational talent does, things get hard, they go harder. That petulant little shit disappeared pretty quickly when the whips got cracking.

Obviously I wouldn’t be saying any of this if he was still with us but I felt it all season.

I’d see glimpses and think alright here we go, but **** me, even Mahoney and Kayne ****ing turner have shown glimpses.

Anyway, I made the comment in another thread that he didn’t go because of money but 6 years (5 on big coin) definitely played a part. Old boy Fabian will be happy with his cut no doubt.

**** em.

Go North

Elite

 

[7577969923]

How was pick 12 “effectively” ours at any point? I’m not fussed, this year it seems worth it to have another pick in the top three, but I don’t understand the point you are making.

GWE received pick 1, 53, and 57. They didn't trade pick 12 for two picks in the 50s. The only material thing they received in the trade was pick 1 and that came from us. Our pick 1 put pick 12 in the mix.

 

[roos 10]

Doesn't leave much to match any potential bid on young Harvey. The more i read about "Gorgeous" George Wardlaw the more i want us to take him....and then whichever of the other 3 fall to us. Sounds like an animal on the field .Someone who WILL play for the jumper.

40 will be plenty for Cooper

 

[LuvtheKangas]

How was pick 12 “effectively” ours at any point? I’m not fussed, this year it seems worth it to have another pick in the top three, but I don’t understand the point you are making.

If the GWS deal was done separately, it was 1 for 3+12.

 

[Tas]

How was pick 12 “effectively” ours at any point? I’m not fussed, this year it seems worth it to have another pick in the top three, but I don’t understand the point you are making.

I think GWS offered 3+12 to us before being roped into the mega deal and it is basically what went out for pick 1. They later added collingwood's future pick and an equivalent number of points back to enable the trade.

It seems we lost value in the pick 1 downgrade, but to some extent it was transferred to the upgrade of pick 8 to 2. I don't think Port added in enough, but it is what it is. We will either come out of it looking good or bad in a few years time based on how the various players taken develop.

 

[marklovesbeer]

Thanks for posting GR.

 

[Hearts to hearts]

GWE received pick 1, 53, and 57. They didn't trade pick 12 for two picks in the 50s. The only material thing they received in the trade was pick 1 and that came from us. Our pick 1 put picks 8 and 12 in the mix.

I guess my thinking is that everything put other things into the mix and the deal wouldn’t have stood up if any element was missing - so effectively all we know is what we started with and what we finished with. And it was better than 8, F1 and F3.

 

[King Corey]

Yeah, I don't think there was any chance of Port letting Butters go, it was more shots across the bow that we weren't taking 8+FF for JHF.

I haven't seen a lot of Bergman or Sinn, Marshall is okay, statistically he did better than Larkey but he was in a better side. I'd prefer Marshall to nobody, but I wouldn't want him as a core compensation component for JHF. I spoke earlier that we really need quality rather than quantity out of these early picks, we don't really have enough of a side to build around. We have good quality young players but none that are marquee talent, JHF was meant to be that for us last year.

I think if you had a few absolute guns, sure, you can split picks for multiple round one picks and put a bit more talent around the park, but players like LDU, Thomas, etc aren't there yet, TT hit the wall this year, Phillips has had a shizen start to his career, we need more top end class.

Wardlaw and Sheezel have that type of class. We just need to start putting it together in terms of development, gameplan and coaching.

Just on Marshall, I see people quoting statistics. From a typical couch potato perspective I watched all his pre-draft vision and a little bit of Port.

Think he would've been the wrong fit for our list and quickly become a whipping boy.

As I said, makes Ben Brown look like George Foreman. Marshall would need Nick Larkey to play the Charlie Dixon / bustling KPF role to protect him. Before long people would be resenting we didn't just push to get pick #2 instead.

 

[4cunningTonneTruck]

he looks calm in traffic so the perceived lack of speed is moot, presence always trumps pure speed anyway,
atley had pace fwiw.

Tsatas gives me massive Atley vibes

 

[7577969923]

I guess my thinking is that everything put other things into the mix and the deal wouldn’t have stood up if any element was missing - so effectively all we know is what we started with and what we finished with. And it was better than 8, F1 and F3.

It does seem as though even if the JHF deal fell over we could have done a trade with GWS for pick 3 and 12. It may be the case that we wouldn't have done that deal without knowing we had pick 2, so in that sense, you can't really unpack separate elements but there is no doubt GWS gave up 3 and 12 for 1.

 

[giantroo]

 

[Val Keating]

It does seem as though even if the JHF deal fell over we could have done a trade with GWS for pick 3 and 12. It may be the case that we wouldn't have done that deal without knowing we had pick 2, so in that sense, you can't really unpack separate elements but there is no doubt GWS gave up 3 and 12 for 1.

You just have to look it it holistically. That’s the way the clubs look at it.

 

[KickItAnywhere34]

The AFL came out and said they don't want teams making deals not to bid on players this year, anyway.

There’s no deal to be had - we can bid if we want and it’s none of Brisbane’s business.

 

[Tas]

Just on Marshall, I see people quoting statistics. From a typical couch potato perspective I watched all his pre-draft vision and a little bit of Port.

Think he would've been the wrong fit for our list and quickly become a whipping boy.

As I said, makes Ben Brown look like George Foreman. Marshall would need Nick Larkey to play the Charlie Dixon / bustling KPF role to protect him. Before long people would be resenting we didn't just push to get pick #2 instead.

I'm just talking from a performance perspective. I think Larkey's problem is he has a large variance between his good and bad, Marshall is more of a plodder but he is more consistent, he will lead even if port is playing shit, Larkey has a tendency to just wave his arm and try and go for mark of the year. I don't think Clarko is going to cop it, he will expect Larkey to lead regardless if the ball is kicked to him or not, the act of leading creates space behind you so even if you aren't the target, you need to draw defenders out of position.

I know people like to bitch on Brown but he kicked 60+ goals for three years in a row without being all that special, he was just a hard worker and I am still amazed we pushed him out, regardless of the contract difficulties. When our mid gets a clearance they don't know if anyone is going to be in position or if they will bother to lead, you need that consistent leading pattern for the midfield to have the confidence that the player is going into space.

It is fine, we dont rate player X or Y or Z, but shit, we need to have the structure, it was clown town when Larkey went down, we looked worse than a suburban league team.

 

[King Corey]

This whole “generational talent” bullshit that’s been thrown about has been nothing short of premature.

If he was that good he would have gone off this year regardless of the teams general shitness or other issues he may have had. That’s what a generational talent does, things get hard, they go harder. That petulant little s**t disappeared pretty quickly when the whips got cracking.

This.

Shannon Grant. Puts a price on his head to avoid going interstate.

Nevertheless packs his bags and goes on to miss winning a rising star by 1 vote (iirc) and plays in a GF.

Eventually gets back to Vic but has flourished into a very good young player that allows his club to broker a strong trade for him.

 

[King Corey]

I'm just talking from a performance perspective. I think Larkey's problem is he has a large variance between his good and bad, Marshall is more of a plodder but he is more consistent, he will lead even if port is playing s**t, Larkey has a tendency to just wave his arm and try and go for mark of the year. I don't think Clarko is going to cop it, he will expect Larkey to lead regardless if the ball is kicked to him or not, the act of leading creates space behind you so even if you aren't the target, you need to draw defenders out of position.

I know people like to bitch on Brown but he kicked 60+ goals for three years in a row without being all that special, he was just a hard worker and I am still amazed we pushed him out, regardless of the contract difficulties. When our mid gets a clearance they don't know if anyone is going to be in position or if they will bother to lead, you need that consistent leading pattern for the midfield to have the confidence that the player is going into space.

It is fine, we dont rate player X or Y or Z, but s**t, we need to have the structure, it was clown town when Larkey went down, we looked worse than a suburban league team.

Honestly Tas, I don't think Marshall was giving us any structure. Just my opinion.

I'd rather stick Josh Walker in the goal square for team balance.

 

[Val Keating]

There’s no deal to be had - we can bid if we want and it’s none of Brisbane’s business.

GWS will probably bid anyway.

 

[Val Keating]

This.

Shannon Grant. Puts a price on his head to avoid going interstate.

Nevertheless packs his bags and goes on to miss winning a rising star by 1 vote (iirc) and plays in a GF.

Eventually gets back to Vic but has flourished into a very good young player that allows his club to broker a strong trade for him.

Buckley as well.

 

[giantroo]

 

[Tas]

It has pushed all the pressure on to Port, GWS, JHF and Cadman. Those were massive investments. If we botch it and next year is also shizen the AFL is going to gift us Harley Reid for free.

 

[Psicosis]

Worth while listening to him for anyone who is still feeling down about the trade.

Beatson is one of the best operators in the AFL.