List Mgmt. 2022 Trade & List Management Thread III

[giantroo]

Spoiler: Confirmed Trades

Spoiler: 2022 Draft Pick Order

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Spoiler: 2023 Draft Pick Order

Spoiler: Key dates

AFL Trade Period Key Dates - AFL.com.au

When does Free Agency begin? How long does the Trade Period go for? Find out on AFL.com.au.

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Key Dates:

Friday 07 October at 5.00pm
Close of AFL Restricted Free Agency Offer and Unrestricted Free Agency Period.

Monday 10 October
NAB AFL Draft Nominations open (9am)
AFL Restricted Free Agency Matching Offer 3 Day Period Ends (5pm)

Wednesday 12 October at 7.30pm
AFL Trade Period closes – players and selections


Thursday 03 November at 9.00am
AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (1) commences

Wednesday 09 November at 5.00pm

AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (1) closes

Friday 11 November at 9.00am

AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (2) commences

Tuesday 15 November by 5.00pm

AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (2) closes
AFL Trade Period closes – selections only

Monday 21 November by 3.00pm

NAB AFL Draft Nominations close

Monday 28 November at 7.10pm

2022 NAB AFL Draft Round One (Venue TBC)

Father/Son, Academy & NGA and Players Bidding opens.

Tuesday 29 November

AFL Trade Period – selections only (5.45pm to 6.30pm)

2022 NAB AFL National Draft Round two until completion (7pm)

Rookie Upgrade Period opens (10pm)

AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (3) commences (10pm)

Rookie Upgrade Period closes (11pm)

AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (3) closes (11pm)

Wednesday 30 November

NAB AFL Pre-Season Draft (3pm, online)
NAB AFL Rookie Draft (3.20pm, online)

Thursday 01 December by 4.00pm

Final AFL Club List Lodgement

 

[King Corey]

If anyone has had any doubts the club is putting them in huge red blinking lights everywhere you look. Rawlings in the club video, Rawlings in the club statement, Rawlings on SEN. Painting a picture of a kid who checked out, didn't fit in, hated being here and didn't want to commit. Zurhaar, Comben, Curtis etc on social media - when was the last time a player left a club and his ex team mates obviously potted him? FFS Zurhaar made the discount code for his side hustle "Hornetgone". How much more of a sign do you want?

Posters with long track records of being ITK have said he wasn't well liked. He was unprofessional. He was thicker than a bowl of oatmeal. Dumber than two planks. If he had an original intelligent thought it would die of loneliness. He couldn't get along with CCJ, he couldn't get along with anyone. The closest thing he had to a mate was Curtis who hasnt been able to get in contact with him after he left to go back to SA. He didn't go overseas with the team. He never looked engaged. As much as Port posters have ridiculed it, he's probably just a simple boy who wants to kick footy good and is being taken for a ride by Williams and Francis, who want the golden goose in SA. Whether they instructed him to act like a petulant gronk or whether that's just who he is, I think JHF violates the No Dickhead Policy either way.

He is going to be a gun. Nothing surer, never in question, hyper talented. But we got as much as we could in order to cut our time on the carousel short, and it means we can get Two Good Victorian Boys into the club and start building around people with the right type of character and desire to be here and represent the jumper. We get a notoriously flaky club's 2023 1st to death ride, and Port get the problem of a good player with helicopter parents and a biiiig contract for an 18yo. It will hurt not seeing him bursting out the middle in #6 hitting Chom lace out, but what will look even better is seeing WiPhi do it in #29. Or Tsatas screaming down a wing and putting it down Larkeys throat. Or Sheezel turning on a dime in a forward pocket and slotting a goal and grabbing the jumper.

He never wanted to be here. So let's erase him from our memories and move on, embracing what is to come with whoever we take. Our best draft hand maybe ever unless you count 6/8/14. Let's turn it into something positive

Even King and McKernan hyperventilating into the media ether over us not taking Cadman. I know they're club legends and they've stuck up for us through this all. But all it does it create a negative environment and media landscape where actual garbage men like Ralph (who's beginning to look very ******* old) can write articles like the one overnight dithering and expressing concern over the club's direction. We are s**t and we know it but at the very least we don't have a white anting little SA boy sooking his way past ice baths anymore. Rally behind us. Get on LDU, WiPhi, Larkey, Zurhaar's backs and see how 2023 goes

Pretty good. You should stop lurking and post on here more often.

 

[Val Keating]

Well I just think we're ok for fwds is all. We want a replacement for JHFF which will be Wardlaw and then it leaves we assume, a choice of Tsatas and Sheezel.

I’d still argue that we lack a small forward. Curtis looks like he’ll be a gun but he plays taller. Tbh I’d be happy with either Wardlaw/Sheezel combo or Wardlaw/Tsadas combo.

I think Cadman will be good but he’s been massively overhyped in the last week, by people that probably haven’t watched a single game.

 

[giantroo]

Do you believe Sheezel is a forward because he only ever plays forward or is it something else?

No doubt he can play in the midfield as well. It's a shame Sandy couldn't put him in there more often but they were so stacked that he was better off playing up forward where he is a weapon.

 

[shintemaster]

I’d still argue that we lack a small forward. Curtis looks like he’ll be a gun but he plays taller. Tbh I’d be happy with either Wardlaw/Sheezel combo or Wardlaw/Tsadas combo.

I think Cadman will be good but he’s been massively overhyped in the last week, by people that probably haven’t watched a single game.

Agree but the best of these are very rare. You just have to pick them up if available but you can't reach on type with a small forward in the draft. I think we'll be happy with any of the combos above - else we wouldn't have done the deal.

 

[King Corey]

We are going to trade #2 back to Port for JHF

Rawlings "Ha ha. Well played mate, you got your kid"

Davies "Na serious. Jason is just sitting around in the player lounge playing "Cush Lash" and plucking the one string on a guitar - he's not even using the frets"

Rawlings "Ok.."

Davies "Fabian is sitting in Ken's chair. We laughed thinking it was a joke but he's just had an Uber Eats KFC order delivered to him there. I'm not sure he's moving and nobody wants to ask him to"

Rawlings "Sorry to hear that. Enjoy the next 6 years.." <hangs up>

 

[Sphynx]

ask and ye shall recieve:

Good, bad, ugly: Dockers’ business done, Eagles in mega deal

Fremantle’s biggest piece of business for this trade period has been locked away, while a mega trade involving the Eagles has shaken up the trade landscape. Here is the good, bad and ugly from day six trading.

thewest.com.au

Bad - West Coast​

The mega trade which sealed the future of West Coast premiership player Junior Rioli is the same one that sees West Coast split their first pick in the draft for two first rounders — despite officially now missing out on Luke Jackson.
In a four-way deal that also involved North Melbourne, Greater Western Sydney and Port Adelaide, West Coast feel like the losers.

North finish with pick two and pick three, GWS with pick one in a massive coup that headlines their bumper draft hand, Port Adelaide one of the hottest young prospects in the game as well as a player who fills a need. Meanwhile, the Eagles get picks eight and 12 in exchange for losing a player they said were “bitterly disappointed” wanted to leave their club and their top pick.

They are obviously confident the first-rounders they have their eyes fixed on will slide that far. If that’s young Victorian tall Aaron Cadman, they’ll sit nervously through Hawthorn’s first selection at six. Credit to them if they make it work, but it feels like a risky play that could easily blow up.

Mega trade: Why clubs couldn’t resist trading top picks

Picks one, two and three have been traded and while it will send shockwaves throughout the AFL industry, maybe it’s a sign that clubs have realised what it truly takes to win premierships.

thewest.com.au

West Coast have traded pick two but they got picks eight and 12. Junior Rioli and pick 40 have also been traded and they’ve received both and second and third round pick next year. But if we’re talking top picks, it’s No.2 for eight and 12.

The Eagles are believed to be targeting WA talent and think both of their targets will still be available at those selections. There’s no “go home” factor and they get two players.

North have turned Horne-Francis and pick one into two and three this year, a first-round pick next year and selections 40 and 43.

It gives the Kangaroos the chance to have multiple first round picks across two seasons.

Eagles wave goodbye to Rioli and pick 2 in MONSTER trade

In one of the biggest AFL deals ever, West Coast have split pick 2 in a four-club mega trade that will hand the Eagles picks eight and 12 in the draft and ship Junior Rioli to Port.

thewest.com.au

West Coast national recruiting manager Rohan O’Brien said the evenness of the draft pool convinced the Eagles to part ways with pick two.

“We are very happy with the outcome of a complex deal,” he said.

“We believe it is an even draft and that we can bring two very talented players into our club with those first-round selections.


“With four of the first 26 selections at this stage of the draft order we are excited about the calibre of young players we can bring into our squad.

“In addition to Jayden Hunt joining us as an unrestricted free agent from Melbourne, we believe we are in a strong position to rejuvenate the list.”

West Coast will get 2 of Hewett/Gibney/Busslinger and will be lauded for it on draft night.

 

[Val Keating]

No doubt he can play in the midfield as well. It's a shame Sandy couldn't put him in there more often but they were so stacked that he was better off playing up forward where he is a weapon.

Even better.

 

[7577969923]

Is this the same Jon Ralph who was pushing us to take 8 + F1 + a 3rd rounder for JHF? Then updated the 3rd rounder to Bonner and said it would clinch the deal?

But somehow 2 + F1 + change is now no good?

This stupid cross-eyed campaigner has always hated us.

We effectively did take 8 + F1 + a 3rd rounder. Pick 8 only got upgraded to pick 2 because pick 12 went to WCE. Port didn't have pick 12 and they didn't give anything material to get it. Pick 12 was effectively ours and we opted to trade picks 12 and 8 for pick 2.

 

[giantroo]

 

[Flawed Genius]

Absolute pisser. So juvenile and so necessary

 

[Flawed Genius]

Aaaand the tote bags have sold out

 

[koshari]

No doubt he can play in the midfield as well. It's a shame Sandy couldn't put him in there more often but they were so stacked that he was better off playing up forward where he is a weapon.

he looks calm in traffic so the perceived lack of speed is moot, presence always trumps pure speed anyway,
atley had pace fwiw.

 

[giantroo]

 

[Lomas]

West Coast will get 2 of Hewett/Gibney/Busslinger and will be lauded for it on draft night.

I love the media, here it is 'North gives up Cadman with No. 1 pick', over in the West it is 'They'll have a nervous wait seeing if Cadman gets past the HFC at 6'.

 

[giantroo]

 

[The b shart]

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Brilliant campaigning by the bull

 

[leighlee13]

i love kingy but he's massively overreacting because he was all in on cadman

I am not and have never been a fan of David King but one thing I will say is I can't fault his love for the club whether his opinions are considered right or wrong.

 

[LuvtheKangas]

We effectively did take 8 + F1 + a 3rd rounder. Pick 8 only got upgraded to pick 2 because pick 12 went to WCE. Port didn't have pick 12 and they didn't give anything material to get it. Pick 12 was effectively ours and we opted to trade picks 12 and 8 for pick 2.

Good point.

The game changer is the now clear fact that we didn't hold the leverage that many of us assumed we did. The fallback position of holding him to his contract if the price wasn't right didn't exist. Internally, Rawlings and co knew it, and so did Port.

It changed the dynamic from 'they need to pay up or we keep him', to 'we need to take what's on offer'.

We were disadvantaged through no fault of our own.

 

[King Corey]

Said it a week ago will say it again - that little **** has galvanised North Melbourne.

With any luck he's knocked the Feng Shui post-Carey back into place.

 

[Kangayroo]

It’s a brand new day. Move on. Move up. Let’s count our blessings the rot has been extracted.

Side note: The kangaroo paws have just started to bloom - surely a good omen.



And yeah I know they’re * red. The blue ones aren’t quite ready yet.

 

[Tiberius]

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I love that whilst Carlton players are all paid a small fortune to be environmental ambassadors for Visy, ours are resorting to selling online Tote Bags to supplement their incomes. #destinationclub

 

[Tas]

I know there's a few besotted with him on here but I didn't want #8 + Butters.

I'd take #2 + F1 over any of the #8 + player combinations that were proposed.

I don't rate Marshall and Bergman, Sinn aren't nearly heavy enough hitters to have balanced the trade.

We didn't shoot the lights out in the deal but if you told me a week ago we'd walk out with pick #2 as part of the deal I'd have signed up there and then.

Yeah, I don't think there was any chance of Port letting Butters go, it was more shots across the bow that we weren't taking 8+FF for JHF.

I haven't seen a lot of Bergman or Sinn, Marshall is okay, statistically he did better than Larkey but he was in a better side. I'd prefer Marshall to nobody, but I wouldn't want him as a core compensation component for JHF. I spoke earlier that we really need quality rather than quantity out of these early picks, we don't really have enough of a side to build around. We have good quality young players but none that are marquee talent, JHF was meant to be that for us last year.

I think if you had a few absolute guns, sure, you can split picks for multiple round one picks and put a bit more talent around the park, but players like LDU, Thomas, etc aren't there yet, TT hit the wall this year, Phillips has had a shizen start to his career, we need more top end class.

Wardlaw and Sheezel have that type of class. We just need to start putting it together in terms of development, gameplan and coaching.

 

[Hearts to hearts]

We effectively did take 8 + F1 + a 3rd rounder. Pick 8 only got upgraded to pick 2 because pick 12 went to WCE. Port didn't have pick 12 and they didn't give anything material to get it. Pick 12 was effectively ours and we opted to trade picks 12 and 8 for pick 2.

How was pick 12 “effectively” ours at any point? I’m not fussed, this year it seems worth it to have another pick in the top three, but I don’t understand the point you are making.

 

[7577969923]

Good point.

The game changer is the now clear fact that we didn't hold the leverage that many of us assumed we did. The fallback position of holding him to his contract if the price wasn't right didn't exist. Internally, Rawlings and co knew it, and so did Port.

It changed the dynamic from 'they need to pay up or we keep him', to 'we need to take what's on offer'.

We were disadvantaged through no fault of our own.

Yeah, I think whilst on paper, it wasn't an absolute win for us we need to take into account that JHF was probably a toxic influence within the group, and that they had assessed that even if they kept him for 23 he was no chance to stay after that. Better to remove the toxic influence and get some quality young players in now than delay for 12 months on the chance that you get a better deal.

I'm okay with the deal but think Port should've ponied up a player to WCE to free up pick 2.

 

[roos 10]

Bombers 4,22 future 2nd for pick 3 ,43,59 70

then 22 to the saints for hunter Clark

11

Hunter Clark

Age

25

Ht

186cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.5

4star

K

9.5

4star

HB

8.0

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.3

3star

D

16.0

4star

K

9.6

4star

HB

6.4

4star

M

3.1

3star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.9

4star

D

13.2

4star

K

6.6

3star

HB

6.6

4star

M

2.2

3star

T

2.0

4star

CL

0.0

1star

Leaves us 2,4,40