List Mgmt. 2022 Trade & List Management Thread III

[giantroo]

Spoiler: Confirmed Trades

Spoiler: 2022 Draft Pick Order

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Spoiler: 2023 Draft Pick Order

Spoiler: Key dates

AFL Trade Period Key Dates - AFL.com.au

When does Free Agency begin? How long does the Trade Period go for? Find out on AFL.com.au.

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Key Dates:

Friday 07 October at 5.00pm
Close of AFL Restricted Free Agency Offer and Unrestricted Free Agency Period.

Monday 10 October
NAB AFL Draft Nominations open (9am)
AFL Restricted Free Agency Matching Offer 3 Day Period Ends (5pm)

Wednesday 12 October at 7.30pm
AFL Trade Period closes – players and selections


Thursday 03 November at 9.00am
AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (1) commences

Wednesday 09 November at 5.00pm

AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (1) closes

Friday 11 November at 9.00am

AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (2) commences

Tuesday 15 November by 5.00pm

AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (2) closes
AFL Trade Period closes – selections only

Monday 21 November by 3.00pm

NAB AFL Draft Nominations close

Monday 28 November at 7.10pm

2022 NAB AFL Draft Round One (Venue TBC)

Father/Son, Academy & NGA and Players Bidding opens.

Tuesday 29 November

AFL Trade Period – selections only (5.45pm to 6.30pm)

2022 NAB AFL National Draft Round two until completion (7pm)

Rookie Upgrade Period opens (10pm)

AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (3) commences (10pm)

Rookie Upgrade Period closes (11pm)

AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (3) closes (11pm)

Wednesday 30 November

NAB AFL Pre-Season Draft (3pm, online)
NAB AFL Rookie Draft (3.20pm, online)

Thursday 01 December by 4.00pm

Final AFL Club List Lodgement

 

[Danni_Benson]

Just went online to show some love to Zurhaar and purchase his tote ‘Bulls Cooking’ with discount code ‘hornetgone’ but unfortunately (fortunately for him) it’s SOLD OUT - LOL.

 

[roos_fanatic08]

Really hope we just keep 2 & 3. We need top end talent and that's where you are going to get it.

Don't want to trade down even if it results in us getting Clark.

 

[Tas]

Honestly Tas, I don't think Marshall was giving us any structure. Just my opinion.

I'd rather stick Josh Walker in the goal square for team balance.

I'm not advocating Marshall, I am advocating for anyone who can help the structure. We don't rate McDonald, we don't rate Cadman, we don't rate anyone but could have gone after someone, ANYONE. Just having one key forward is just bad list management

Walker isn't a realistic option. He hasn't kicked more than a handful of goals ince 2016, that ship has sailed.

 

[giantroo]

 

[roos_fanatic08]

I'm not advocating Marshall, I am advocating for anyone who can help the structure. We don't rate McDonald, we don't rate Cadman, we don't rate anyone but could have gone after someone, ANYONE. Just having one key forward is just bad list management

Walker isn't a realistic option. He hasn't kicked more than a handful of goals ince 2016, that ship has sailed.

There will be some options available in those picks in the 30's and potentially in the rookie draft.

However, if we go through the whole draft and trade period without adding another genuine KP Forward then I'll have serious concerns about the direction of our list build.

 

[giantroo]

 

[DrZaius]

People gotta calm down the hate a bit. He is a kid who was too young to leave his family. I'm not going to hate on him too much.

Just wish we got a bit more out of that trade.

Nah. Plenty of kids move away from their families when they turn 18 and most of them don't get paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to do so and receive the instant community and support network that a footy club provides.

If you aren't prepared to leave your family don't ****ing join a national sporting competition.

 

[Tas]

There will be some options available in those picks in the 30's and potentially in the rookie draft.

However, if we go through the whole draft and trade period without adding another genuine KP Forward then I'll have serious concerns about the direction of our list build.

Realistically, any kid we take late in the draft or as a rookie is going to take a while to develop. Unless Comben or Edwards make a quantum leap forward we don't really have short-term options other than to rely on Goldy, Xerri and CCJ to plug holes.

 

[giantroo]

Worth while listening to him for anyone who is still feeling down about the trade.

Beatson is one of the best operators in the AFL.

Kinear Beatson discusses Sydney's off season plans (The Trade Feed) - Day 12 (11/10/22)

Swans GM of Recruitment and List Strategy joined Sarah and Josh to discuss what is coming up this off season for the Swans.

player.whooshkaa.com

 

[Rooboys Rool]

Throughout the year I thought many were being too dismissive of JHF's attitude issues on the field, simply writing them off as "he's just competitive" or the like. But, equally, now that he's gone I think there's an overplaying of the "he was a cancer". Not saying there aren't players glad to see the back of him or that we even should have kept him, but we really should have been able to extract more value out of the trade. Simply adding Port's pick 33 going our way would make it a more acceptable outcome IMO, that way we could package up 40 & 43 and get a couple of picks in the 30s at the draft*. It's also not a disaster though, so we move on and death ride the sh!t out of Port next year.

*There's quite a few, including Brady, saying picks 40 & 43 will come into picks in the 30s. This is unlikely - people often seem to forget that the academy player moving up pushes all remaining picks back a spot. So, as picks currently stand, and if Ashcroft, Fletcher, Davey, Rowston & Michalanney are bid on before out pick 40, those two picks will come all the way into.... picks 40 & 42. And if Brisbane trade 21 to Bulldogs for Dunkley then it'll be picks 41 & 43. And if Brisbane trade back those picks in the 30s at the draft (as Collingwood & Bulldogs did last year, remembering that once the draft starts there's no need to match draft picks to list spots), then they'll go back further, getting closer to when a bid on Harvey might come...

 

[Shermanator]

Realistically, any kid we take late in the draft or as a rookie is going to take a while to develop. Unless Comben or Edwards make a quantum leap forward we don't really have short-term options other than to rely on Goldy, Xerri and CCJ to plug holes.

Ben King in 2023

 

[archereleven]

I'm not advocating Marshall, I am advocating for anyone who can help the structure. We don't rate McDonald, we don't rate Cadman, we don't rate anyone but could have gone after someone, ANYONE. Just having one key forward is just bad list management

Walker isn't a realistic option. He hasn't kicked more than a handful of goals ince 2016, that ship has sailed.

There are a thousand excuses of why we have 1.5 kpf on our list but no real reasons.

How long does this go on for?

On SM-G991B using BigFooty.com mobile app

 

[rooboy335]

Probably been mentioned but listening to Brady on SEN this morning, he gave the impression that the only way we move on pick 3 is for a future first.

Sam asked "is there any consideration being given to splitting pick three as well?" And Brady's response was "we'd be very comfortable picking two of those top three players (this year) ... but we've got two future ones with our own and Port Adelaide's, and if it helps us get another massive hand next year in what we believe is gonna be an extremely strong draft then it'd be something to consider".

 

[speedy]

Dodo trying to win trade period by playing hardball with the aaron francis trade. Hehe...

 

[tiltraise]

Blues keen to move up order

Out: 3
In: 10, f1

10 seems a decent spot to pick one of

Phillipou
Hollands
Busslinger

 

[Psicosis]

Blues keen to move up order

Out: 3
In: 10, f1

10 seems a decent spot to pick one of

Phillipou
Hollands
Busslinger

Not really keen on trading our 3 for another F1 of a side likely to play finals.

 

[4cunningTonneTruck]

Not really keen on trading our 3 for another F1 of a side likely to play finals.

10, F1 and a pick that gets us Clark and I'd take that. It's way overs for pick 3 but surely it's the only way we give it up with a clear top 4 in this draft

 

[Tas]

You mother****ers and your Clark hardon.

 

[TheBigHorne]

stop talking about clark we don't need to spend so much on a speculative hbf.

 

[the flying ham]

stop talking about clark we don't need to spend so much on a speculative hbf.

Probably significantly less speculative than an equivalent pick in the draft, however I take your point. He isn't the be all of this period

 

[Roo202]

You just have to look it it holistically. That’s the way the clubs look at it.

Yep, I think the value of getting him out of the club and having 2 of the top 3 draft picks (+ a F1) was an overall good result, even if breaking the trade down into its parts suggests we maybe should have done a bit better.

The key is to now maximise the valuable draft assets we have, we won't really know for at least a couple of years exactly how we have fared.


There are similarities to last year's trade/draft period. There is a lot of angst about our F2 being included in the CCJ trade and it is certainly hard to argue that on that trade alone we extracted maximum value possible.

However, when you look at the picks we got back and how we used them at the draft, we turned 2021 R3(43), 2022 R2(currently 19) & R3(currently 39) into CCJ, Curtis and Bergman, three round 2 picks using one R2 and two R3.

There is a way to go to know if that has been good value, but I'd argue that Curtis alone would already be worth more than this year's pick 19.

There may have been other ways to get to a similar position, but from that holistic point of view (with some perhaps fortunate hindsight and a bit of luck) the net result is a lot better than the often lamented "CCJ for 19".

 

[Merlin007]

Not really keen on trading our 3 for another F1 of a side likely to play finals.

I’m not keen, full stop

 

[AnEmptyChair]

stop talking about clark we don't need to spend so much on a speculative hbf.

no more speculative than the kid we'd take with the mid-late teens pick that he'd probably cost.

he's talented in his own right, in the perfect age range, and fills a hole with his ability to play half back and wing.

if the deal's there to be done, we should absolutely pull the tigger

 

[big_e]

I love that whilst Carlton players are all paid a small fortune to be environmental ambassadors for Visy, ours are resorting to selling online Tote Bags to supplement their incomes. #destinationclub

Until you find that NMFC just happens to buy 10,000 each year.....

 

[speedy]

Realistically, any kid we take late in the draft or as a rookie is going to take a while to develop. Unless Comben or Edwards make a quantum leap forward we don't really have short-term options other than to rely on Goldy, Xerri and CCJ to plug holes.

CCJ should have played more this year as the forward/relief ruck. He looked decent up forward for the tiges. Goldy is still our no1 ruck. If X wants a game then he needs to ruck better than goldy or play forward better than CCJ. Another Noble fk-up.