List Mgmt. 2022 Trade & List Management Thread

[Le Grille]

personally I want 2 top 10 picks for pick 1. Not interested in anything less. We need top level talent, we have enough role players.

I think the issue is there’s no real standout at 1 (Ashcroft aside) the whole point of being willing to split it will be the reason why it won’t be a huge haul, there’s no compelling reason for a club to covet the pick one at that expense.

I said this somewhat tongue in cheek yesterday but the club that might have the motivation to do a big trade for it might be brissy as it would give them a pick before any Ashcroft bid.

 

[GS WARRIORS]

Okay using the 2018 draft as a hypothetical. Sam Walsh went at 1 and he is a great player. 5 and 7 were Conner Rozee and Bailey Smith.

As good as Walsh is I'd take the pair of Smith and Rozee.

Every draft is different and that was a super draft with really good tier 1 depth. We were sooo dumb to draft out of it rather than up.

Would you give up JHF for Ward and Gibcus (taking out the F&S picks)? No

 

[shimaburnsgrieg]

5 and 7 is not close to being enough for pick 1 imo.

With the broadly equal spread of talent in the top bracket of the draft this year I would argue that 5 and 7 is about right for pick 1.

If there were 1 or 2 standouts at the top end of the draft (like last year) then fair enough - but it seems far more evenly spread this year so why not take 2 players instead of 1? Especially when we don't have many other picks.

 

[Tas]

Which one via Free agency? There's McStay, and he is off to the pies

I'd try and convince Kennedy to come out of retirement so he could play for a couple of years and maybe move into coaching after that. I know he only kicked 37 goals this year from 15 games, but he still went at 2.5 goals a game when he did get to play. We don't have anyone on the list who looks like they can take a mark at AFL level or looks like they can get on the park at all. Our midfield needs someone leading out towards them consistently so they can learn to run and carry the ball and not just launch high hang time bombs into the forward 50.

He is on 293 games, he will get to play 300 and I think he will be more useful than any of our older players save Cunners and Goldy.

We don't have great options, I said we should have got Wright when everyone said he was a donkey... we need to fix the structure and we can't just pray that Comben is going to be able to get on the grass.

 

[The acurate one]

The real question is would we swap 5 & 7 for pick 1?

The answer is nope

 

[Psicosis]

5 and 7 is not close to being enough for pick 1 imo.

Even Whateley was of this view, which says it all. Some on here are too desperate to split Pick 1 IMO.

We currently will leave the draft with:

Pick 1 - Wardlaw, Tsatas or Sheezel
F/S - Harvey

It is very likely that we get a priority pick, which I hope is Pick 11 but likely to be 19*. For all Bradys knocks, I will say that he is very good at acquiring more picks via trade period & draft night, expect this year to be no different.

I expect us when it's all said and done, that we will leave the draft with:

Pick 1 - Wardlaw, Tsatas or Sheezel
Pick 11 or 19 - Priority Pick
Pick 28-35 - Acquired through mechanism such as trading future second/third or not bidding on Aschroft
F/S - Harvey

We don't need to trade Pick 1 & should only trade it if we get an offer too good to refuse. Take who we think is best available, which could be any one of those three I've mentioned.

*In before TZ says we will be getting Pick 1 or 2 PP

 

[hoffseason gains]

Interesting that they say Cam wants to be a winner, and we know he wants to stay in Melbourne. So Essendon and us are the only two teams with offers to him, we are in a better situation to succeed than Essendon currently. Other successful Melbourne teams: Melbourne, Collingwood, Western Bulldogs and Richmond are all balls deep in recruiting other talent that would take their draft capital.

It’s realistically just us for Cam IMO.

 

[Psicosis]

Okay using the 2018 draft as a hypothetical. Sam Walsh went at 1 and he is a great player. 5 and 7 were Conner Rozee and Bailey Smith.

As good as Walsh is I'd take the pair of Smith and Rozee.

Using the draft that was called the super draft and has proven to be the strongest in many years, isn't a great way to base an opinion IMO.

 

[Le Grille]

I'd try and convince Kennedy to come out of retirement so he could play for a couple of years and maybe move into coaching after that. I know he only kicked 37 goals this year from 15 games, but he still went at 2.5 goals a game when he did get to play. We don't have anyone on the list who looks like they can take a mark at AFL or looks like they can get on the park at all. Our midfield needs someone leading out towards consistently so they can learn to run and carry the ball and not just launch high hang time bombs into the forward 50.

He is on 293 games, he will get to play 300 and I think he will be more useful than any of our older players save Cunners and Goldy.

We don't have great options, I said we should have got Wright when everyone said he was a donkey... we need to fix the structure and we can't just pray that Comben is going to be able to get on the grass.

I don’t think you can underestimate the boost to “standard setting” that the coaching structure, assuming Clarko remodels this has.

I’m not overly keen on bringing in guys who are past it just for some “leadership” i think the targets should be ones who have developed run/strength/tank to show what’s needed in that way. This bringing in a retired or near retired player is a bit overrated for me

 

[King Corey]

Interesting that they say Cam wants to be a winner, and we know he wants to stay in Melbourne. So Essendon and us are the only two teams with offers to him, we are in a better situation to succeed than Essendon currently. Other successful Melbourne teams: Melbourne, Collingwood, Western Bulldogs and Richmond are all balls deep in recruiting other talent that would take their draft capital.

It’s realistically just us for Cam IMO.

I wouldn't automatically exclude all the other Vic clubs just on assumption.

* seem to have loose lips but other clubs might've made moves on him far more quietly. Unfortunately.

 

[7577969923]

Every draft is different and that was a super draft with really good tier 1 depth. We were sooo dumb to draft out of it rather than up.

Would you give up JHF for Ward and Gibcus (taking out the F&S picks)? No

Too early to tell. As shimaburnsgrieg has said it would depend on your perception of the top ten. If there were 1 to 3 absolute standouts you would be reluctant to give up access to one of them. If the top ten were all very close and hard to split I would value two chances over one.

 

[Le Grille]

I wouldn't automatically exclude all the other Vic clubs just on assumption.

* seem to have loose lips but other clubs might've made moves on him far more quietly. Unfortunately.

I thought hawthorn/rich were keen

 

[DesertRoo]

The real question is would we swap 5 & 7 for pick 1?

The answer is nope

If we got a PP of pick 2, everyday of the week I’d swap out 1 for 5 & 7

 

[the flying ham]

I'd try and convince Kennedy to come out of retirement so he could play for a couple of years and maybe move into coaching after that. I know he only kicked 37 goals this year from 15 games, but he still went at 2.5 goals a game when he did get to play. We don't have anyone on the list who looks like they can take a mark at AFL level or looks like they can get on the park at all. Our midfield needs someone leading out towards them consistently so they can learn to run and carry the ball and not just launch high hang time bombs into the forward 50.

He is on 293 games, he will get to play 300 and I think he will be more useful than any of our older players save Cunners and Goldy.

We don't have great options, I said we should have got Wright when everyone said he was a donkey... we need to fix the structure and we can't just pray that Comben is going to be able to get on the grass.

Kennedy is done and dusted. Cupboard is bare for kpfs

 

[The acurate one]

If we got a PP of pick 2, everyday of the week I’d swap out 1 for 5 & 7

oh i meant give up 5 & 7 for 1 this draft.

 

[Tas]

I don’t think you can underestimate the boost to “standard setting” that the coaching structure, assuming Clarko remodels this has.

I’m not overly keen on bringing in guys who are past it just for some “leadership” i think the targets should be ones who have developed run/strength/tank to show what’s needed in that way. This bringing in a retired or near retired player is a bit overrated for me

Sorry, this doesn't really mean anything to me. Comben has been on the list for 3 years and weighs 84kg. Edwards turns 20 in November and he is 85kg, these guys are around 15kg away from being able to hold up physically at AFL level. I do hope Clarkson boosts "standard setting" but he isn't a miracle man, he didn't perform miracles with the Hawks young players. If those two make it, I am guessing they will need a year to two in order for a half decent program to get results.

If he and the club thinks those two are worth developing then awesome. But we need something better than what we have going forward for next year and we need there to be some kind of baseline that a player needs to hit and we just aren't gifting games regardless of standard. This isn't just about the second key forward, we are harming Larkey's development forcing him to compete against 2-3 defenders because nobody else is a threat.

 

[DuckYeah]

Hard pass on Hill. No thanks.

 

[DuckYeah]

oh i meant give up 5 & 7 for 1 this draft.

Where is pick 2 talk coming from? Theres not a chance we get pick two.

 

[DuckYeah]

Id swap pick 1 for 5 & 7 in a heart beat. We don’t need more midfielders.

 

[Makeshift Park]

anyone wana run a google sheets rules report comparing pick 1 to 5 and 7 for the last 20 years.... wouldn't be too hard...

Spoiler: ask and ye shall receive

	1	5	7
2021	JHF	Mac Andrew	Josh Ward
2020	Ugle-Hagan	Braeden Campbell	Elijah Hollands
2019	Matt Rowell	Fischer McAsey	Hayden Young
2018	Sam Walsh	Connor Rozee	Bailey Smith
2017	Cameron Rayner	Adam Cerra	Hunter Clark
2016	Andy McGrath	Will Setterfield	Jack Scrimshaw
2015	Jacob Weitering	Darcy Parish	Jacob Hopper
2014	Paddy McCartin	Jordan De Goey	Paul Ahern
2013	Tom Boyd	Kade Kolodjashnij	James Aish
2012	Lachie Whitfield	Jake Stringer	Ollie Wines
2011	Jonathon Patton	Matt Buntine	Nick Haynes
2010	David Swallow	Jared Polec	Josh Caddy
2009	Tom Scully	Ben Cunnington	Brad Sheppard
2008	Jack Watts	Michael Hurley	Daniel Rich
2007	Matthew Kreuzer	Jarrad Grant	Rhys Palmer
2006	Bryce Gibbs	Travis Boak	Joel Selwood
2005	Marc Murphy	Scott Pendlebury	Paddy Ryder
2004	Brett Deledio	Lance Franklin	Jordan Lewis

pretty confident the 5s and 7s have it over the 1s, particularly the further you go back.

 

[bennymate]

Hill will be a different beast under Clarko but forget that, when are we sacking the schnozz??

 

[The Filth Wizard]

Spoiler: ask and ye shall receive

	1	5	7
2021	JHF	Mac Andrew	Josh Ward
2020	Ugle-Hagan	Braeden Campbell	Elijah Hollands
2019	Matt Rowell	Fischer McAsey	Hayden Young
2018	Sam Walsh	Connor Rozee	Bailey Smith
2017	Cameron Rayner	Adam Cerra	Hunter Clark
2016	Andy McGrath	Will Setterfield	Jack Scrimshaw
2015	Jacob Weitering	Darcy Parish	Jacob Hopper
2014	Paddy McCartin	Jordan De Goey	Paul Ahern
2013	Tom Boyd	Kade Kolodjashnij	James Aish
2012	Lachie Whitfield	Jake Stringer	Ollie Wines
2011	Jonathon Patton	Matt Buntine	Nick Haynes
2010	David Swallow	Jared Polec	Josh Caddy
2009	Tom Scully	Ben Cunnington	Brad Sheppard
2008	Jack Watts	Michael Hurley	Daniel Rich
2007	Matthew Kreuzer	Jarrad Grant	Rhys Palmer
2006	Bryce Gibbs	Travis Boak	Joel Selwood
2005	Marc Murphy	Scott Pendlebury	Paddy Ryder
2004	Brett Deledio	Lance Franklin	Jordan Lewis

pretty confident the 5s and 7s have it over the 1s.

Isn't it funny how things change, two years ago you'd snap up De Goey and Ahern for McCartin and laugh your head off.

 

[Disco Dew]

Brad hill? What’s the point? If we aren’t bringing in the absolute best like petracca, don’t even bother!
Our list is so strong with guys like mahony and lazz leading the way someone like Hill is no chance to get a game…

 

[Shermanator]

pick swap with GC after Rankine trade..

OUT: 1, 55, 66

IN: 5. 7, 23, 32

Throw the other PP's in and we're cooking with gas for highly touted draftees and some picks to go after Logue, Acres, etc..

 

[Disco Dew]

Spoiler: ask and ye shall receive

	1	5	7
2021	JHF	Mac Andrew	Josh Ward
2020	Ugle-Hagan	Braeden Campbell	Elijah Hollands
2019	Matt Rowell	Fischer McAsey	Hayden Young
2018	Sam Walsh	Connor Rozee	Bailey Smith
2017	Cameron Rayner	Adam Cerra	Hunter Clark
2016	Andy McGrath	Will Setterfield	Jack Scrimshaw
2015	Jacob Weitering	Darcy Parish	Jacob Hopper
2014	Paddy McCartin	Jordan De Goey	Paul Ahern
2013	Tom Boyd	Kade Kolodjashnij	James Aish
2012	Lachie Whitfield	Jake Stringer	Ollie Wines
2011	Jonathon Patton	Matt Buntine	Nick Haynes
2010	David Swallow	Jared Polec	Josh Caddy
2009	Tom Scully	Ben Cunnington	Brad Sheppard
2008	Jack Watts	Michael Hurley	Daniel Rich
2007	Matthew Kreuzer	Jarrad Grant	Rhys Palmer
2006	Bryce Gibbs	Travis Boak	Joel Selwood
2005	Marc Murphy	Scott Pendlebury	Paddy Ryder
2004	Brett Deledio	Lance Franklin	Jordan Lewis

pretty confident the 5s and 7s have it over the 1s, particularly the further you go back.

Gee some of those 5s and 7s look pretty great.

I was in favor of 1 for 5 and 7 before this table. Even more so now