List Mgmt. 2022 Trade Thread - Part I

[gringo2011]

Paton started playing regularly in 2019.
I thought he was very good for a noob, and he got better in 2020.

To me he is similar to his 2020 form now, but it seems in a lot of peoples eyes his 2020 got better during 2021.

He had two less possessions than Steele against the Cats and he had an excellent game recently, can't remember which one. He's getting his form back lately.

 

[chris_h_11]

Big 2023 for both of them.

A bit over saying this to be honest.

These guys both drafted in 2017, and yes, both have missed big chunks of footy, but neither have developed into the players we'd hoped, and we've just had too many of these in the last decade.

 

[MOLTEN GANGLANDS]

Testing speed often doesn't translate on field. Hunts is so slow on the chase that guys make 20 meters on him in three steps. Pretty sure that's why even after getting 30 possessions he's out of the mids the next week. He's got special traits no one is saying otherwise but that gets you in the door not a career. He's going to go either way next year, he'll step up or he is probably going to be another GOP that does enough to play 200 uninspiring games with moments of brilliance like Billings.

Coffield looked ripped and was tearing up preseason. Hunter looks like his arms would be ideal for stealing lemons through a mesh fence. It might be genetic but when you have a laconic nature it adds to an overall perception.

hahahahahhaha, so good

 

[Yawkey way]

Paton started playing regularly in 2019.
I thought he was very good for a noob, and he got better in 2020.

To me he is similar to his 2020 form now, but it seems in a lot of peoples eyes his 2020 got better during 2021.

Took on the best small forwards in the comp and was rarely beaten.

 

[BrutThough]

Paton started playing regularly in 2019.
I thought he was very good for a noob, and he got better in 2020.

To me he is similar to his 2020 form now, but it seems in a lot of peoples eyes his 2020 got better during 2021.

He has started to look more like the 2020 version the past 3 weeks which is good to see.

 

[jwikked]

If Zach Jones’ heart is in it, give him a contract for a couple of years. If he’s not fully committed, maybe it’s time to part ways.

 

[The Punter]

Top 10 picks through five seasons you'd be hoping would be at a minimum at that 80-100 games played range.

Coffield - 52 from 105
Clark - 66 from 105

Considering the shorter 2020 season, that's conservatively 10-20 games short of where you would want them from an experience standpoint. Coffield didn't play many games his first two years and now 2022 has been wiped out. Clark's trajectory was fine until David MacKay

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David Mackay

Age

36

Ht

181cm

Wt

78kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.0

4star

K

9.2

4star

HB

7.7

5star

M

3.2

3star

T

3.2

5star

MG

315.4

4star

D

16.5

4star

K

7.0

3star

HB

9.5

5star

M

2.5

3star

T

2.0

3star

MG

265.5

4star

D

12.0

3star

K

6.2

3star

HB

5.8

4star

M

4.6

5star

T

1.2

3star

(he's played 7 from 29 since).

 

[Yawkey way]

Testing speed often doesn't translate on field. Hunts is so slow on the chase that guys make 20 meters on him in three steps. Pretty sure that's why even after getting 30 possessions he's out of the mids the next week. He's got special traits no one is saying otherwise but that gets you in the door not a career. He's going to go either way next year, he'll step up or he is probably going to be another GOP that does enough to play 200 uninspiring games with moments of brilliance like Billings.

Coffield looked ripped and was tearing up preseason. Hunter looks like his arms would be ideal for stealing lemons through a mesh fence. It might be genetic but when you have a laconic nature it adds to an overall perception.

One of his strengths was his breakaway speed, personally I think like pendelbury he sees guys commit there weight and just cruises past them. Anyway I’m not cho who only sees his weaknesses, imo he’s good and potentially great and I’m happy to give him some time. A fit billings is still one of our best players, Imo his biggest crime is not being the bont.

Also I can’t believe the attention his lack of some beach muscles gets, for all anyone on here knows he might bench more than battle. Michael tuck was stick thin, he played god knows how many games when you take into account quite a few games early on in the twos. He was also known as a guy who was as hard as nails and rarely came off second best.

 

[Klaatu]

Byrnes has extended his contract by 1 year.


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[The Punter]

I think Highmore gets squeezed out for no other reason than he's OOC and we have other options at his position.

See if you can squeeze out a pick worth points from one of the SA clubs to use to send to Brisbane for currency they can use on Ashcroft.

 

[CaptainRisky]

One of his strengths was his breakaway speed, personally I think like pendelbury he sees guys commit there weight and just cruises past them. Anyway I’m not cho who only sees his weaknesses, imo he’s good and potentially great and I’m happy to give him some time. A fit billings is still one of our best players, Imo his biggest crime is not being the bont.

Also I can’t believe the attention his lack of some beach muscles gets, for all anyone on here knows he might bench more than battle. Michael tuck was stick thin, he played god knows how many games when you take into account quite a few games early on in the twos. He was also known as a guy who was as hard as nails and rarely came off second best.

Clark vs Tuck lol Hunter would die for his body

 

[Yawkey way]

Clark vs Tuck lol Hunter would die for his body View attachment 1470261

No fat or bulk on him though, used to run around in long sleeves looking like a pipe cleaner.

 

[gringo2011]

One of his strengths was his breakaway speed, personally I think like pendelbury he sees guys commit there weight and just cruises past them. Anyway I’m not cho who only sees his weaknesses, imo he’s good and potentially great and I’m happy to give him some time. A fit billings is still one of our best players, Imo his biggest crime is not being the bont.

Also I can’t believe the attention his lack of some beach muscles gets, for all anyone on here knows he might bench more than battle. Michael tuck was stick thin, he played god knows how many games when you take into account quite a few games early on in the twos. He was also known as a guy who was as hard as nails and rarely came off second best.

I still have hope but I'm getting very impatient. Billings might still be an okay player but he's been more of a disappointment for his beigeness than his Bont comparison. He's the most frustrating type of player, has all the class and skills but not the drive to be a star.

 

[gringo2011]

No fat or bulk on him though, used to run around in long sleeves looking like a pipe cleaner.

Hunts has the keg body and little pipe cleaners for arms, Tucky was a wiry build all over. He was more the Geary/ Paul Kelly type build who was slight naturally.

 

[gringo2011]

I think Highmore gets squeezed out for no other reason than he's OOC and we have other options at his position.

See if you can squeeze out a pick worth points from one of the SA clubs to use to send to Brisbane for currency they can use on Ashcroft.

I reckon he'd get you what Hind got us. SFA. Almost better to hold on for depth. We seem to have given up on Joyce. If he can't get a game with no Howard he's in trouble.

 

[gringo2011]

Top 10 picks through five seasons you'd be hoping would be at a minimum at that 80-100 games played range.

Coffield - 52 from 105
Clark - 66 from 105

Considering the shorter 2020 season, that's conservatively 10-20 games short of where you would want them from an experience standpoint. Coffield didn't play many games his first two years and now 2022 has been wiped out. Clark's trajectory was fine until David MacKay (he's played 7 from 29 since).

We chose not to play Coff a lot last year.

 

[bergholt]

Top 10 picks through five seasons you'd be hoping would be at a minimum at that 80-100 games played range.

Coffield - 52 from 105
Clark - 66 from 105

Considering the shorter 2020 season, that's conservatively 10-20 games short of where you would want them from an experience standpoint. Coffield didn't play many games his first two years and now 2022 has been wiped out. Clark's trajectory was fine until David MacKay (he's played 7 from 29 since).

If you look at the top 20 of their draft:

Naughton - 96 games
Brayshaw - 95
Cerra - 92

Bailey - 88
Stephenson - 87
Rayner - 82
Richards - 81

Higgins - 77

Powell - 69
LDU - 68
Clark - 65
Starcevich - 65
Dow - 61

LOB - 57
D Fogarty - 55
Coffield - 52

Bonar - 31

Brander - 27

CCJ - 17

Ling - 4


So Clark hasn't been particularly durable but is in the middle pack. Coff on the other hand is obviously a bit low.

Interesting though that none of these guys have been close to AA yet but a lot have moved pretty fast this year:

• Brayshaw's best season, will be AA
• Bailey's best season, will be close to AA
• Naughton's best season probably
• Cerra's best season probably
• LDU definitely taking the next step
• Fogarty probably taking the next step too
• Richards maybe, I don't know much about him but his stats look solid
• Maybe LOB also?

It's clearly moving day for this draft but neither Clark nor Coff have had a clean run at it, so it would be reasonable to hope that they kick into a higher gear next year.

 

[MordySaint]

I'm not sure our recruitment team have learnt many lessons.

Last year, Kent's career was on the edge... he kicked a few goals in round 21 and got a new contract.

This year, Butler's career was on the edge... he kicked a few goals in round 19 and got a new contract.

Seems like history is repeating itself

 

[gringo2011]

If you look at the top 20 of their draft:

Naughton - 96 games
Brayshaw - 95
Cerra - 92

Bailey - 88
Stephenson - 87
Rayner - 82
Richards - 81

Higgins - 77

Powell - 69
LDU - 68
Clark - 65
Starcevich - 65
Dow - 61

LOB - 57
D Fogarty - 55
Coffield - 52

Bonar - 31

Brander - 27

CCJ - 17

Ling - 4


So Clark hasn't been particularly durable but is in the middle pack. Coff on the other hand is obviously a bit low.

Interesting though that none of these guys have been close to AA yet but a lot have moved pretty fast this year:

• Brayshaw's best season, will be AA
• Bailey's best season, will be close to AA
• Naughton's best season probably
• Cerra's best season probably
• LDU definitely taking the next step
• Fogarty probably taking the next step too
• Richards maybe, I don't know much about him but his stats look solid
• Maybe LOB also?

It's clearly moving day for this draft but neither Clark nor Coff have had a clean run at it, so it would be reasonable to hope that they kick into a higher gear next year.

Starcevich I a very good defender too. Richards has really come on this year. Been huge. He was killing Max King despite being up to his waist.

 

[BrutThough]

I'm not sure our recruitment team have learnt many lessons.

Last year, Kent's career was on the edge... he kicked a few goals in round 21 and got a new contract.

This year, Butler's career was on the edge... he kicked a few goals in round 19 and got a new contract.

Seems like history is repeating itself

It takes more that 48 hours to work out an AFL contract. The media team announcing it after a good performance does not equate to the list management team handing it to someone based off that previous game.

 

[The Punter]

We chose not to play Coff a lot last year.

Coff missed six games last year, three through injury, one on return from injury (came back and was dropped for one week), and two weeks with being dropped.

Coffield stat: did not play in a win while coached by Alan Richardson (0-1-13).

 

[MordySaint]

It takes more that 48 hours to work out an AFL contract. The media team announcing it after a good performance does not equate to the list management team handing it to someone based off that previous game.

Similar to a coaches contract then.

 

[Yawkey way]

I still have hope but I'm getting very impatient. Billings might still be an okay player but he's been more of a disappointment for his beigeness than his Bont comparison. He's the most frustrating type of player, has all the class and skills but not the drive to be a star.

Lets face it we all know what wrong with the saints, we may have a few A graders or guys on the fringe of being A graders but we don’t have any champions at this stage who can turn a game. King shows signs but is being badly misused Imo and you see some of that in his body language and the occasional spray he cops from team mates.

It‘s why I hate the trade and draft period although I can’t stay away from it. We‘ve been terrible more often than not, if it was someone else we’d be laughing our heads off. Once we’re out of the quality in the first and second rounds if we’re drafting kids with flaws we need to prioritise guys with size, competitive beasts with pace. You might get frustrated at them missing targets but you won’t want to stop watching because they can’t compete one out.

Hunts has the keg body and little pipe cleaners for arms, Tucky was a wiry build all over. He was more the Geary/ Paul Kelly type build who was slight naturally.

Kelly was as hard as nails, Sydney have been very good at finding players for a long time. I sometimes wonder if we just don’t have the cash or network to actually have eyes on as many games as we should. Still even the teams close to us we seem to miss plenty or don’t have the picks when we need them which is poor planning.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Hunts has the keg body and little pipe cleaners for arms, Tucky was a wiry build all over. He was more the Geary/ Paul Kelly type build who was slight naturally.

 

[gringo2011]

Lets face it we all know what wrong with the saints, we may have a few A graders or guys on the fringe of being A graders but we don’t have any champions at this stage who can turn a game. King shows signs but is being badly misused Imo and you see some of that in his body language and the occasional spray he cops from team mates.

It‘s why I hate the trade and draft period although I can’t stay away from it. We‘ve been terrible more often than not, if it was someone else we’d be laughing our heads off. Once we’re out of the quality in the first and second rounds if we’re drafting kids with flaws we need to prioritise guys with size, competitive beasts with pace. You might get frustrated at them missing targets but you won’t want to stop watching because they can’t compete one out.

Kelly was as hard as nails, Sydney have been very good at finding players for a long time. I sometimes wonder if we just don’t have the cash or network to actually have eyes on as many games as we should. Still even the teams close to us we seem to miss plenty or don’t have the picks when we need them which is poor planning.

Do Collingwood or Freo have an actual star player that is getting it done? Even Geelong their best players are Stewart, Tomahawk and Cameron. They have good players but Danger who was their game breaker is just a player now, same with Fyfe and Dusty.

Last year was the year of the champion player with Trac, Oliver, Bont types carrying their sides to the top. This year seems more about evenness of performance and depth. Footy changes quick and the slick fast sides are the new trend.

Last year we were racked with injury and could barely field a best 18. This season is the most disappointing in years because most of the players stepped up, few injuries and the fixture gave us an easy lead in. Our only coherent line looks like defence which is where we spent up on a quality assistant from good system.

It looks like Hammill might not have been the issue last year. He has Carlton's forwards looking like their best line and or forward line looks like the worst set up in AFL despite having a lot of our good players in there.