List Mgmt. 2022 Trade Thread - Part I

[gringo2011]

He sucks

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He's low risk high reward. He's a one position mid who is behind about 5 very good ones and is unlikely to get a go there. If he came cheap he'd be like having a second Bytel in development. Same drafts as Coffield and Clark.

 

[Max the great]

He's low risk high reward. He's a one position mid who is behind about 5 very good ones and is unlikely to get a go there. If he came cheap he'd be like having a second Bytel in development. Same drafts as Coffield and Clark.

He is behind them because he can't play as a midfielder up to the standard of the AFL. You can word it 73 different ways but the most simple thing to say is. No.. he sucks.

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[BrutThough]

Why is Amon even being mentioned? Is it just because of his mum?

 

[St Significant]

Brayshaw is not worth 800k…unless you are talking about Andy Brayshaw

Now we're talking! Just the man we need in our midfield but hate to have to deal with that rat again

 

[triggering bro]

Why is Amon even being mentioned? Is it just because of his mum?

Unsigned free agent.

 

[bird_man]

Why is Amon even being mentioned? Is it just because of his mum?

Because he's a good player and he's a free agent and would add some more class to our midfield

 

[BrutThough]

Unsigned free agent.

Because he's a good player and he's a free agent and would add some more class to our midfield

But do we need another wing? Especially one that will be 27 at the end of the season.

Would rather we prioritise NWM in that position than spend up big on one.

 

[gringo2011]

He is behind them because he can't play as a midfielder up to the standard of the AFL. You can word it 73 different ways but the most simple thing to say is. No.. he sucks.

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He looked alright last year when they gave him time on ball. I think he might come good still but needs to move out of the Blues to get opportunity.

 

[Saintbloke]

Totally agree.. we need to find a way to get Hill flying up and down the wing delivering bullet passes to leading forwards, not trying to defend and getting kicks under extreme pressure in the backline. That’s not his go, his stats might look ok, but we need his run and carry, precision kick into forward line more than kinky kicks to stationary targets in congestion..

I think the Hill we were expecting to see is the one from 5 years or more ago- he's not quite at that level anymore.

 

[triggering bro]

But do we need another wing? Especially one that will be 27 at the end of the season.

Would rather we prioritise NWM in that position than spend up big on one.

Depends what the cost is. He’s a very good player right now. NVM is a few years away from being anywhere near as good. Free hit.

 

[Lukesaint13]

I just want to bud in and say Mrs. Amon was my high school teacher for sport and rec and we had a rotational subject every Wednesday afternoon in year 10 (I’m pretty sure) and she taught us Aboriginal studies. She’s a lovely lady. I can’t remember if it was my favourite rotational class but it’s the one that stuck to me the most. We learned about the Aboriginal culture in general, the flying boomerangs, watched rabbit proof fence, and I’m pretty sure she was the reason why the school has now integrated the local indigenous language as part of its identity. Wominjeka (which means hello/welcome) is used during assemblies. It’s also tradition to acknowledge and pay respects to the Boonwurrung people (I’m pretty sure that’s the spelling). One thing she taught me that I’ll always remember was that you never ask an Indigenous person what percentage they are based on their complexion. You either identify as Aboriginal or you don’t, and I think she said that was a question Karl was asked when he was younger. But I’m really happy to see she’s involved with the club now. She’ll be a great role model for everyone, Indigenous and non-indigenous. I think Karl would look good in Saints colours but Port Adelaide have done a good job in the past looking after their Indigenous players. You never know though.

 

[70s sainter]

I reckon we have all positions on the ground pretty well covered now . Short term though it’s just midfield class to replace the likes of Ross . He’s good depth or trade him if we could get a gun replacement.
I know we offered up Billings and Ross last year and the door wasn’t exactly being beaten down .
No point getting in just another “good” player that doesn’t improve our best 22.

 

[bird_man]

But do we need another wing? Especially one that will be 27 at the end of the season.

Would rather we prioritise NWM in that position than spend up big on one.

No reason why NWM wouldn't still get a game, especially if Billings is playing forward more

At the moment Hill is a half back and our other two wings are McKenzie and Wood which is pretty ordinary

Amon is also fairly versatile. He spent a fair bit more time playing in the guts last year when he made the AA squad.

He's be a good get for nothing. As long as the dollars weren't too high.

 

[BrutThough]

No reason why NWM wouldn't still get a game, especially if Billings is playing forward more

At the moment Hill is a half back and our other two wings are McKenzie and Wood which is pretty ordinary

Amon is also fairly versatile. He spent a fair bit more time playing in the guts last year when he made the AA squad.

He's be a good get for nothing. As long as the dollars weren't too high.

I'd rather we stopped topping up with 27 year olds given the age of most of our best 22 right now and start getting in some players who will be in their prime the same time as King.

 

[bird_man]

I'd rather we stopped topping up with 27 year olds given the age of most of our best 22 right now and start getting in some players who will be in their prime the same time as King.

Getting him doesn't stop us going to the draft though

 

[BrutThough]

Getting him doesn't stop us going to the draft though

Sure but I'd rather we put the games into someone younger given the current age profile of our midfield.

 

[gringo2011]

Getting him doesn't stop us going to the draft though

I'm on the fence but even guys like Crouch and Hill take away future raids by taking up money and list spots. It's going to come down to list management to make a call but we've imported a lot of talent and not much has moved us forward. I'm leaning towards youth more these days. I'm not sure he's the missing piece.

 

[aussierulesrules]

Yeah he’d definitely be a “nice to have”, but at what opportunity cost?

Wing and flank options next year if Coffield returns as expected will be Hill, Sincs, Coffield, Connolly, Clark, D-Mac, Seb, Wang, Wood, Billings, Byrnes, Windhager, etc, which is heaps, so you’ve got to wonder if we’d be better off saving our money for more of a “difference maker”.

 

[bird_man]

Sure but I'd rather we put the games into someone younger given the current age profile of our midfield.

Amon is one year older than Steele though.

If we aren't pushing for a flag with the likes of Steele, Crouch, Membrey, Hill etc than we are going to have to replace a lot of players after that run.

I think if any of our younger kids are good enough they'll still be demanding a spot.

As I said, Amon is versatile and most other good mids are also.

 

[ScrappyDo]

I'd rather we stopped topping up with 27 year olds given the age of most of our best 22 right now and start getting in some players who will be in their prime the same time as King.

When you're filling a rookie spot with a guy on a 1 year contract it's fine. Despite the successes the last list spot is usually very long odds so whoever they reckon at that pointis fine.

 

[bird_man]

I'm on the fence but even guys like Crouch and Hill take away future raids by taking up money and list spots. It's going to come down to list management to make a call but we've imported a lot of talent and not much has moved us forward. I'm leaning towards youth more these days. I'm not sure he's the missing piece.

Not suggesting he's the missing link, but I also think we can improve our list by both free agency and by the draft

 

[hayes]

Would be kind of hard to say no to Amon when you look at some of the names playing in the team ATM. Same age as Billings and most expect him to come straight back in when he’s ready. Is he unrestricted?

 

[gringo2011]

Not suggesting he's the missing link, but I also think we can improve our list by both free agency and by the draft

He does but at some point we need some absolute cream and if we aren't drafting high we probably have to try to poach them. Keeping cash in reserve would be handy for that. As long as we don't keep topping up hoping that we will luck it. We need to do some planning. Bringing in lots of older players will meant we just about guarantee them a spot and means we stay up artificially.


I guess we wait and see how the season pans out. If we play finals we'll top up no doubt but if we miss we might choose to play the kids and going the FA route would be pointless.

 

[aussierulesrules]

Would be kind of hard to say no to Amon when you look at some of the names playing in the team ATM. Same age as Billings and most expect him to come straight back in when he’s ready. Is he unrestricted?

Restricted

 

[aussierulesrules]

Would be kind of hard to say no to Amon when you look at some of the names playing in the team ATM.

Sure, but add in Jones, Clark, Coffield, Billings and hopefully Bytel by then and those guys you’re talking about are playing for Sandy.

It’s not the Amon types that we ultimately need, it’s a genuine “difference maker” who’s ideally considered elite, and we’re likely to need close to a mil a year to attract one of them from another club, and if we pay an Amon type $700K PA it may not leave us enough cap space for one of them.

If we could get both, then by all means go for him, IMO. No more than probably $650k PA though, unless he has another AA squad type year.