List Mgmt. 2022 Trade Thread - Part II

[puppy_dog7]

Have you noticed how Richmond and the Cats who are great recruiters are both happy to trade out of this draft. I think that's a reason no to go hard at selling off players to get back into the draft.

Cats don’t use first round picks because they back themselves in to trade in players wanting to come home. They’ve got the biggest pull of any Vic club as they’re not in Melbourne and Geelong Falcons have always been good at producing talent.
They also, almost always draft mature agers, going back as far as Podsiadly.
They’ve cleaned up with the likes of Blicavs, Stewart, Menegola, Atkins and Tim Kelly of which three of those have been All Australian.
Most of the ‘kids’ they draft straight out of junior footy don’t last anyway, but they always have 1 or 2 each year that are serviceable and fit in their system. It’s the Dangerfields/Cameron’s along with their astute mature age draftees that Lee them ticking along.

As for Richmond, well the way I see it, they are looking to replace their midfield now before they lose Cotchin and Martin. So in 2-3 years time they’ll have an experienced midfield of Hopper, Taranto, Bolton, Graham, sonsie, RCD etc.
If they can’t get them in the door then they’re midfield will be seriously underwhelming unless they draft and develop some midfield stars.

 

[sunny3193]

Our bottom out after the cup tilts couldn’t have been timed any worse, plus we drafted like George chasing birds at 2am in the kebab line.

 

[bird_man]

When you are competing for flags and only have late firsts to give up rather than top 10 picks, then you can afford to keep topping up until you can't.

We need to get past the first step before we can worry about what Geelong and Richmond are doing.

 

[Mangus]

For all the posts proclaiming Clarks talent and how crazy it would be to trade him can you tell me where he plays and what his role is in the team. I don't think he defends well enough at Half Back, he is not physically able to play midfield and doesn't have the tank to play wing. Like you I want him in the team because that talent with the ball is great to watch and he has some unique skills but in reality I am not sure he helps make us a better side.

I get the argument he is just reaching that age where he might take a big step and my instant reaction was don't trade him. But I still struggle to see where he is going to play long term and whether he is going to be a key part of the team. Maybe that is because he has hardly played for the last 2 years.

I have heard third hand from people who know his family how obsessed and committed he is to his footy still even after the injuries which is great to hear.

Anyway I can't see North stumping up the top ten pick for Clark I certainly wouldn't if I was them. So he will be our problem to solve.

 

[Hayes4PM]

If we can get a decent pick for Spaghetti Arms Clark I would probably take it. I know the last 18 months-ish have been interrupted with injury but I’m a bit concerned with his lack of development now as a 23 year old. As in his physical development. If you’re gonna be that skinny then I think you need to have some pace about you, and as much as Clark is agile and has a good step, he ain’t fast.

If someone comes knocking and offers a first round pick, I would say deal.

 

[Diehard Saint]

Have you noticed how Richmond and the Cats who are great recruiters are both happy to trade out of this draft. I think that's a reason no to go hard at selling off players to get back into the draft.

Could just be because both are still topping up to stay up top. The players they are going for are still relatively young. They don’t need to go to the draft like we do.

 

[snails13]

I really rated him early on but his attitude this year sucked. Looks like a guy that would be poor for culture.

Wouldn't you be grumpy if ya kept on being a loser.

 

[StCicatriz]

You call people idiots time and time again on your posts but the accuse others of potting people. Classic projection.

I respect mowman. He withdrew his membership under 'cho. At the time thought he was weak and not a 'real supporter'. Well he was dead right at the time and I know he is considering it again.
I really do respect that. The scales have fallen from my eyes
Others who are weak and just carp and moan without doing anything, show their true colours and are of suspect character in my opinion.
Good that you have admitted you come on here to troll.

Relax joff

 

[gringo2011]

Have you noticed how they target players with a few years worth of growth under their belt from the plastics/lower teams?
Why would they hit the draft.

Imagine getting Lynch, Prestia, Caddy, Taranto, Hopper even Tarrant just plug-n-play.


Cats getting Danger, Tuohy, Higgins, Cameron, Smith, Rohan etc on top of their already ridiculous father sons & generational players.


The Dees go and grab Lever, May, Langdon, Brown (lol Norf).


Swans force fed academy picks like a foie gras duck.


Our bottom out after the cup tilts couldn’t have been timed any worse, plus we drafted like George chasing birds at 2am in the kebab line.

How’s that EqUaLisATiOn going AFL??
It’s enough to make ya throw up.

Richmond did the draft work then the top up. We seemed to top up then want the draft. Richmond have been stockpiling youth again and now ready to top up again. That's good management.

One thing that has helped Richmond is being a top side so their depth gets picked-up for overs, every time a Markov, Snags, Chol or CCJ goes to another club they get draft capital. We delist ours or give them away cheap because everyone assumes that shit clubs have nothing much in reserve.

 

[gringo2011]

Cats don’t use first round picks because they back themselves in to trade in players wanting to come home. They’ve got the biggest pull of any Vic club as they’re not in Melbourne and Geelong Falcons have always been good at producing talent.
They also, almost always draft mature agers, going back as far as Podsiadly.
They’ve cleaned up with the likes of Blicavs, Stewart, Menegola, Atkins and Tim Kelly of which three of those have been All Australian.
Most of the ‘kids’ they draft straight out of junior footy don’t last anyway, but they always have 1 or 2 each year that are serviceable and fit in their system. It’s the Dangerfields/Cameron’s along with their astute mature age draftees that Lee them ticking along.

As for Richmond, well the way I see it, they are looking to replace their midfield now before they lose Cotchin and Martin. So in 2-3 years time they’ll have an experienced midfield of Hopper, Taranto, Bolton, Graham, sonsie, RCD etc.
If they can’t get them in the door then they’re midfield will be seriously underwhelming unless they draft and develop some midfield stars.

I think we have more ring ins than them. We have been great at importing players not so great at drafting them.

 

[StCicatriz]

Have you noticed how Richmond and the Cats who are great recruiters are both happy to trade out of this draft. I think that's a reason no to go hard at selling off players to get back into the draft.

Great point although they are further up the order

 

[gringo2011]

For all the posts proclaiming Clarks talent and how crazy it would be to trade him can you tell me where he plays and what his role is in the team. I don't think he defends well enough at Half Back, he is not physically able to play midfield and doesn't have the tank to play wing. Like you I want him in the team because that talent with the ball is great to watch and he has some unique skills but in reality I am not sure he helps make us a better side.

I get the argument he is just reaching that age where he might take a big step and my instant reaction was don't trade him. But I still struggle to see where he is going to play long term and whether he is going to be a key part of the team. Maybe that is because he has hardly played for the last 2 years.

I have heard third hand from people who know his family how obsessed and committed he is to his footy still even after the injuries which is great to hear.

Anyway I can't see North stumping up the top ten pick for Clark I certainly wouldn't if I was them. So he will be our problem to solve.

To me it's more that he's really still an unknown and ready to go either way. If we draft a kid it will be another 5 years before we find out if it's an upgrade. Sincs didn't have spot once, now we wish we had another 3 of him. We had about 25 HBFs now we are struggling to find good one.

At some point we have to stop rebuilding. Topping up with youth looks like an excuse in case we don't make finals again. It lacks bit of spine not backing yourself in. Fremantle, Collingwood and Sydney are all youth heavy sides that have made a rise up the ladder and I think we are also into the idea that that's all you need to do to move forward.

I'm all for going to the draft with our original picks. We've neglected it for too long but you don't start trading out the guys about to step up. You get rid of the older guys that aren't going to be there in a few years. We don't actually have many of those that aren't required so kind of stuck with selling prime assets instead or just holding course.

 

[gringo2011]

Great point although they are further up the order

I want to draft with our picks but selling off Clark seems a very high risk for questionable rewards situation. Luckily I can't see anyone paying huge overs for him so he probably saves making a risky call.

 

[Yawkey way]

Bloody hell I just wandered over and read a few pages of the norf trade thread. Very, very unwell people over there, if you think we have some characters go take a look and thank you’re luck stars you’re not dealing with them.

 

[Joffaboy]

I want to draft with our picks but selling off Clark seems a very high risk for questionable rewards situation. Luckily I can't see anyone paying huge overs for him so he probably saves making a risky call.

This exactly. Have we learnt nothing from the poleaxing DMAC got for years.
Clark has much more upside. Will be disappointed as he'll if as stav posted we are after just a top 10 pick for him.

Listening to Cameron on SEN just makes me despair, crapping on about how great the GWS and Sydney academies are and how they deserve their legups, at the same time talking about how good it is the team that had won 3 of 5 flags can get Hopper and Taranto.
We are so far behind the eight ball, coupled with coming 10 in 2021 but getting one of the hardest draws for 2022, having to sell games to Cairns because other clubs get guaranteed blockbusters every season because of the FIXture.

Basically we can't compete because the AFL want it that way.

 

[Diehard Saint]

Off Twitter saying Hill is a done deal to north … any ITKs have any knowledge of this?

 

[Yawkey way]

To me it's more that he's really still an unknown and ready to go either way. If we draft a kid it will be another 5 years before we find out if it's an upgrade. Sincs didn't have spot once, now we wish we had another 3 of him. We had about 25 HBFs now we are struggling to find good one.

At some point we have to stop rebuilding. Topping up with youth looks like an excuse in case we don't make finals again. It lacks bit of spine not backing yourself in. Fremantle, Collingwood and Sydney are all youth heavy sides that have made a rise up the ladder and I think we are also into the idea that that's all you need to do to move forward.

I'm all for going to the draft with our original picks. We've neglected it for too long but you don't start trading out the guys about to step up. You get rid of the older guys that aren't going to be there in a few years. We don't actually have many of those that aren't required so kind of stuck with selling prime assets instead or just holding course.

The list isn’t good enough so we have to hit the draft but trading guys like Clark is just crazy Imo. Yes by all means trade out a few who are too old for our projected widow or those who have expressed a desire to move on. Unless I’m missing something our first along with another first for Clark takes us exactly nowhere in fact probably backwards.

Also maybe if we offered to eat whitfields salary we could get him cheap while seeing off hill for enough to cover the trade price. Gws free up say $750,000 and have the cash to hang on to hopper and get free agency compo next year.

 

[Joffaboy]

Some random off twitter.

 

[Hayes4PM]

Bloody hell I just wandered over and read a few pages of the norf trade thread. Very, very unwell people over there, if you think we have some characters go take a look and thank you’re luck stars you’re not dealing with them.

You think I can’t kick it up a notch on here champ? I’ve been holding back for years!!!

 

[Yawkey way]

Some random off twitter.

Hang on I’ll get my daughter to tweet, hill to norf for pick 1 done deal if you don’t like ring clarko or norf board.

Some lunatic over on that board thinks they can swap pick 1 for 4 first rounders.

 

[Joffaboy]

Hang on I’ll get my daughter to tweet, hill to norf for pick 1 done deal if you don’t like ring clarko or norf board.

Some lunatic over on that board things they can swap pick 1 for 4 first rounders.

iT's A sAlArY dUmP

 

[Yawkey way]

This exactly. Have we learnt nothing from the poleaxing DMAC got for years.
Clark has much more upside. Will be disappointed as he'll if as stav posted we are after just a top 10 pick for him.

Listening to Cameron on SEN just makes me despair, crapping on about how great the GWS and Sydney academies are and how they deserve their legups, at the same time talking about how good it is the team that had won 3 of 5 flags can get Hopper and Taranto.
We are so far behind the eight ball, coupled with coming 10 in 2021 but getting one of the hardest draws for 2022, having to sell games to Cairns because other clubs get guaranteed blockbusters every season because of the FIXture.

Basically we can't compete because the AFL want it that way.

Stop touching our toes like subordinate monkeys and start saying fair deal or we’ll see you in court. Everything from the fixture to the draft is compromised, the dice are loaded and it’s time it was stopped.

 

[Moral Decay]

The closest thing any of us have to that is Dard Ball Get full leather gimp suit with matching gumboots x

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And a great Saints supporter!
I like that it took 4 years to catch him, even a BigFooty permaban comes quicker.
I like to think Paul flowers is a Saints fan too, I see so many on these boards getting worked up and can't help thing of their stress and loneliness the need to go to Paul has the answers, if they haven't already.

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[Yawkey way]

iT's A sAlArY dUmP

We apparently have zero need to dump salary and I’m not suggesting anyone is stupid enough to pay that for hill, just that anyone can tweet anything.

 

[gringo2011]

The list isn’t good enough so we have go hit the draft but trading guys like Clark is just crazy Imo. Yes by all means trade out a few who are too old for our projected widow or those who have expressed a desire to move on. Unless I’m missing something our first along with another first for Clark takes us exactly nowhere in fact probably backwards.

Also maybe if we offered to eat whitfields salary we could get him cheap while seeing off hill for enough to cover the trade price. Gws free up say $750,000 and have the cash to hang on to hopper and get free agency compo next year.

To me we are in the frustration zone. The list is good enough to play finals but we aren't. You look at Brisbane, Collingwood and Freo who have adequate but not exceptional lists and it adds to the anxiety. Even Geelong and Sydney who are the best sides in it aren't incredible powerhouses. Melbourne probably the strongest list in the finals and it didn't help.

To me you hold and see what a few coaching changes can do next year. Chase some missing pieces on the cheap. Maybe a Lloyd as a FA from Sydney and. Phillips out of the VFL and have another crack while taking all our high picks to the draft. You are still in the window of finals but not mortgaging the future on it. If we pull up short again, prune some of the old guys and start drafting hard again with a new coach.