List Mgmt. 2022 Trade Thread - Part II

[stavro#4]

And really
Was always going to
Used us to get a better deal

He didn’t use us to get a better deal

The pies put there original offer back on the table with a few more get out of jail clauses and triggers.

Would be stupid not too. Look how good he is.

Truth is though. That he will stuff up again. If the pies are flying, it won’t matter though.

 

[gubby88]

The media floated it
The club should have crushed it
Even if they would take a top ten pick for him.

The club doesn't have to respond to every trade rumour from a journalist, they have better things to do lol

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[Saints43]

Honestly couldn't care what happens this trade period.

If the club wants to impress me. Sound out a genuine head recruiter and stop stuffing around with what is the most important position inside an AFL club.

Tell us more about the current recruiter.

 

[lewdogs]

Watching the Pies the thing that stands out to me is quick mids.

Their game is mostly built around pressure. Guys like De Goey and Crisp look quick and they move a few more numbers through there than we do.

Made me think we've missed good Zak Jones

3

Zak Jones

Age

29

Ht

182cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.8

4star

K

10.0

4star

HB

7.8

5star

M

3.4

3star

T

3.0

5star

CL

1.7

4star

D

19.1

4star

K

10.6

4star

HB

8.6

4star

M

3.4

3star

T

3.1

4star

CL

4.9

5star

D

7.0

2star

K

2.8

1star

HB

4.2

4star

M

1.0

1star

T

1.6

4star

CL

1.0

3star

the last few years. And our most important young guy is Windy.

Their forward line is made up of solid citizens.

 

[hayes]

Watching the Pies the thing that stands out to me is quick mids.

Their game is mostly built around pressure. Guys like De Goey and Crisp look quick and they move a few more numbers through there than we do.

Made me think we've missed good Zak Jones the last few years. And our most important young guy is Windy.

Their forward line is made up of solid citizens.

They look so good because they move the ball quickly as well. We try to play perfect football so even though we have quick players we try and move it safely.

 

[BrutThough]

The media floated it
The club should have crushed it
Even if they would take a top ten pick for him.

So the media said some clubs think other clubs could try to pry Clark out. That is hardly anyone of importance saying that Clark isn't a required player. That's just you jumping to conclusions off the back of nothing

No club responds to every small rumour during this period. If they are doing an interview and are asked about it, they will respond. But clubs don't need to be issuing statements every time someone floats a hypothetical situation. Fans just need to stop overreacting to every little thing and remember that a lot of the stuff thrown around at this time of the year has little substance.

 

[lewdogs]

They look so good because they move the ball quickly as well. We try to play perfect football so even though we have quick players we try and move it safely.

Yeah they force turnovers and flood forward. It's actually not too dissimilar to what we did in the first half of the year.

 

[ScrappyDo]

With all this talk about Collingwood, it's worth remembering how disastrous everything was looking for them this time last year.

Lets hope we can do something similar in turning it around.

The difference seems to be that successful people and/or organizations cut their baggage and run, whilst losers like myself and StKilda FC tend to want to own their mistakes for one reason or another.
The club needs to purge itself of it's mistakes in the same brutal way the Pies did otherwise it will continue to be weighed down by them.

Ratts and Hill are 1&2
You can throw a blanket over a few others. Rip the bandaid off.

 

[CaptainRisky]

With all this talk about Collingwood, it's worth remembering how disastrous everything was looking for them this time last year.

Lets hope we can do something similar in turning it around.

The difference is they changed their coach and now they actually have a game plan and a bloody good one at that , their ball movement puts us to shame and i doubt rats can get us playing anything like them.
Not to mention they don't have the amount of Butchers that we do

 

[Hayes4PM]

Is it trade week yet? Are we winning?

 

[Captain Paddy]

Watching the Pies the thing that stands out to me is quick mids.

Their game is mostly built around pressure. Guys like De Goey and Crisp look quick and they move a few more numbers through there than we do.

Made me think we've missed good Zak Jones the last few years. And our most important young guy is Windy.

Their forward line is made up of solid citizens.

Zak Jones is awful

 

[Marlo]

Clark is one of our few players that doesn't have tiny hands and have a ball drop like a little leaguer

Billings, Higgins, Jones, Gresham, Ross, Byrnes all move around with little mitts and average to gross kicking styles

Watching Pies frantic style balanced out with the poise of Pendles and Sidebottom, and probably a few others

I'd imagine Dal Santo is still the best kick at the club

 

[gringo2011]

The club isn’t shopping him. The club isn’t shopping Hill.

Clark is gettable for the right offer.

The flipside is that Clark doesn’t want to leave. But will happily move for the right club.

You’ll be surprised at how common this is. However, this time It’s been reported by AFL media.

Hill is required. Clarkson wants him and he would like to play under Clarkson again.

I’m really not sure why people think the club has just put a for sale sign, nor am I understanding why people are so upset and we are weeks away from the trade period.

It wouldn’t even surprise me to hear Ratten/Lethlean come out and say we want to keep Clark to drive home it’s going to cost the top end of his value.

Which is ultimately what it will come down too. I’ve already said I think he is better and shown more then Cerra. He went for pick 6 + a third rounder.

We are talking about selling off a guy to "clear space" that we paid a fortune for in dollars and trade capital and the club wants us to trust that the people who would make these decisions are on the ball. You are trying to sell this as some kind of positive. It's a diabolical **** up, like cashing in your super to buy Crypto at the peak and telling everyone how clever you are getting 5 cents in the dollar back.

Clark is the guy we have invested 5 years of hope in and as our highest pick that year and one of the few first rounders, we hope he's one that might come good and carry us forward. Again, we picked him and now we're hoping we can cash him in, likely for less than we paid.

It looks a lot like stalling for time because they've fallen short again, They can sell missing finals next year on all the kids and not have to face any consequences for their failures. This footy department is racking up more **** ups than wins at the moment and really needs a torch shined on them.

If you can't see how people would be upset by the club n this situation you don't really understand psychology.

 

[gringo2011]

Watched him (McKenzie) today and was very clean. Beautiful passes from deep mid to the tit on the forwards. Show his wheels when needs too. Smart footballer, used it well.

Sheezle was clean, great through traffic, midfield beast, snagged 5 goals.

Sheezel looks a gun

 

[CaptainRisky]

Clark is one of our few players that doesn't have tiny hands and have a ball drop like a little leaguer

Billings, Higgins, Jones, Gresham, Ross, Byrnes all move around with little mitts and average to gross kicking styles

Watching Pies frantic style balanced out with the poise of Pendles and Sidebottom, and probably a few others

I'd imagine Dal Santo is still the best kick at the club

I have heard of people have foot fetish but never a hand fetish

 

[stavro#4]

We are talking about selling off a guy to "clear space" that we paid a fortune for in dollars and trade capital and the club wants us to trust that the people who would make these decisions are on the ball. You are trying to sell this as some kind of positive. It's a diabolical * up, like cashing in your super to buy Crypto at the peak and telling everyone how clever you are getting 5 cents in the dollar back.

Clark is the guy we have invested 5 years of hope in and as our highest pick that year and one of the few first rounders, we hope he's one that might come good and carry us forward. Again, we picked him and now we're hoping we can cash him in, likely for less than we paid.

It looks a lot like stalling for time because they've fallen short again, They can sell missing finals next year on all the kids and not have to face any consequences for their failures. This footy department is racking up more * ups than wins at the moment and really needs a torch shined on them.

If you can't see how people would be upset by the club n this situation you don't really understand psychology.

No - we are talking about Brad Hil wanting to leave. Not same made up scenario you and others are creating.

The same Brad Hill with the same manager who walked out on 2 clubs prior to us mid contract.

 

[gringo2011]

But we don't have older types that would be worth a top ten pick if it came to it. Clark does that off potential.

I don't want him traded, but he has had a rough past 2 years

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But why sell your year old calf and sell it to rush out and buy another younger calf? It isn't a requirement to get more than your allotted draft picks. This is the most pointless thing we could do.

 

[lewdogs]

No - we are talking about Brad Hil wanting to leave. Not same made up scenario you and others are creating.

The same Brad Hill with the same manager who walked out on 2 clubs prior to us mid contract.

If we're offering De Goey a huge deal and that's 95% likely not to happen, surely we don't have cap issues.

 

[Marlo]

I have heard of people have foot fetish but never a hand fetish

Actually am a big fan of hands now that you mention it

 

[stavro#4]

If we're offering De Goey a huge deal and that's 95% likely not to happen, surely we don't have cap issues.

I’ve only been saying this since the Hill news broke.

 

[Hayes4PM]

Clark is one of our few players that doesn't have tiny hands and have a ball drop like a little leaguer

Billings, Higgins, Jones, Gresham, Ross, Byrnes all move around with little mitts and average to gross kicking styles

Watching Pies frantic style balanced out with the poise of Pendles and Sidebottom, and probably a few others

I'd imagine Dal Santo is still the best kick at the club

You forget yourself sir, I won’t hear this small hand talk

 

[St Kilda Death]

I look at Collingwood and I don’t see them with a deal more top talent than us, or a pound for pound better bottom 6 players than us.

What they do have, which we lack, is an aura of confidence and arrogance.
From their senior leaders Pendlebury and Sidebottom, through prime of their career players Degoey, Maynard, crisp, down to first year players in ginnivin, Johnson, daicos.

A lot of you argue we don’t have talent or structure.
Our biggest lack is confidence.

That’s the coaches job.
Help if we recruit some like degoey.

 

[BigMonty]

Think the game has evolved. Outside wingers who can get up and back defensively allows backs to push up and block the turnover transition. McKenzie does that better than Hill. Wood can take a contested mark better than Hill. NWM is getting games and as such offers more than Hill.

Means mids do not have to be too quick to cover the turnover BUT need to stop it from happening halve the 50 50 contests is key. We have that covered Crouch Steele Windy etc. Always have one more.

Half backs have to be quick with good skills to link up through the centre to get the ball in quick to one on ones in fwd line. Sincs and why Hill was picked there but I do not think he was that effective. Paton did that effectively until injured last year and is trying but not back there yet.

Or kick that inside kick on the 45 to open up the centre and make it hit otherwise it is the worst place to turnover the ball. Clarke does that best in club and often on middle of a contest. Hill does not.

Otherwise it is the slow switch around the backline or chip up the wings or the long down the line. Sound familiar. Wilkie and Doogs do that to link it to Webster.

So the game has evolved past Hill on a wing and others better off half back. He is surplus to needs and maybe Norf have that requirement.

If I was looking to recruit Hill do I really want someone on 900k...no way. If he fits a need pick in the 20s and part salary paid. But it is StKildas problem to solve.

Long last game showed he could partner Sincs and POD take a contested mark....keep.
If he wants away then hard to make him stay but up the ante if you can get Hill off the books.

Clarke is worth more to us than I club would be willing to pay as he is an injury risk...doubt any club will give up pick 10 I know we wouldn't. So he stays.

Acres turns into the player we expected him too and Serong would have looked good in a Saints jumper....just saying.

The Hill trade made sense at the time and I thought a good idea as it definitely brought some sizzle to the club but now it is looking a bit sad and will only get worse unfortunately.

So
Want to see Hill gone but it must make sense. Pick on 20s.

If Long wants to go then go with our blessing as long as we get fair compensation...pick on 30s but rather he stays.

Clarke no unless it is similar to Taranto and that's not happening if it does do it.

Melbourne and Freo both had real problems with forward line entries....sound familiar. If Higgins can turn into a forward like Jamie Elliot get set Saints. He can mark like Elliot but the kicking at goal......enough said.

Still think we were a serious side when Coff Clarke Gres DMac and Billings playing in the same side. Reckon had them for less than 6 games in over 2 years (50 games)

That's 5 first round picks I think says it all. Get them on the park together with Sincs Steele Wilkie Higgins Doogs (good drafting and recruiting) and add last few drafts and we start looking pretty slick.

Game plan had to adapt as we had key injuries hence why we lost momentum in the back half of last two years.

All we need is a good slice of luck and good trading and a tweak to the game plan embracing more Collingwood and we will be okay despite what the doomsayers say here.

The Review will say broom to Football dept..few need to go start with Lade McGlynn for Lennie and ?? is a start. Would have Noble rather than the bloke who has been in there for over 10 years and cannot remember his name.

Keep recruiting good people we have a heap
Also reckon Clarko will prove to be fools gold. Rookie coaches seem to be winning flags....game keeps evolving...that's what makes it fun to watch and be part of.

Go Saints you bloody frustrating club

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[Joffaboy]

So the media said some clubs think other clubs could try to pry Clark out. That is hardly anyone of importance saying that Clark isn't a required player. That's just you jumping to conclusions off the back of nothing

No club responds to every small rumour during this period. If they are doing an interview and are asked about it, they will respond. But clubs don't need to be issuing statements every time someone floats a hypothetical situation. Fans just need to stop overreacting to every little thing and remember that a lot of the stuff thrown around at this time of the year has little substance.

Makes the statement about Hill so much more important. As you say no club responds to every rumour about player movements.
So the Hill statement can be read as positioning ourselves for the best deal possible or we keep him.
Seb Ross, Josh Battle, Jack Billings, all have explored possibility of moving recent seasons, can't remember if they were contracted, Billings wasn't. All still on the books, Battle and Seb both had very good seasons, I still have hope for Billings especially with Lenny taking him under his wing.

 

[Joffaboy]

Yeah they force turnovers and flood forward. It's actually not too dissimilar to what we did in the first half of the year.

So Collingwood's gameplan is no good and McRea should be sacked?