List Mgmt. 2022 Trade Thread - Part II

[stavro#4]

Makes the statement about Hill so much more important. As you say no club responds to every rumour about player movements.
So the Hill statement can be read as positioning ourselves for the best deal possible or we keep him.
Seb Ross, Josh Battle, Jack Billings, all have explored possibility of moving recent seasons, can't remember if they were contracted, Billings wasn't. All still on the books, Battle and Seb both had very good seasons, I still have hope for Billings especially with Lenny taking him under his wing.

Billings would be the biggest cheerleader of a potential Hill move.

Gets him back on the wing rotation - probably better suited to the current style we play too

 

[gringo2011]

I look at Collingwood and I don’t see them with a deal more top talent than us, or a pound for pound better bottom 6 players than us.

What they do have, which we lack, is an aura of confidence and arrogance.
From their senior leaders Pendlebury and Sidebottom, through prime of their career players Degoey, Maynard, crisp, down to first year players in ginnivin, Johnson, daicos.

A lot of you argue we don’t have talent or structure.
Our biggest lack is confidence.

That’s the coaches job.
Help if we recruit some like degoey.

Systems look dated and dysfunctional too. Our forward set up is abysmal and predictable.

If you listen to McCray on SEN he trains that confidence. He's looking like an inspired choice.

 

[Joffaboy]

No - we are talking about Brad Hil wanting to leave. Not same made up scenario you and others are creating.

The same Brad Hill with the same manager who walked out on 2 clubs prior to us mid contract.

Gave up stav, you categorically state something is white and the nuffs say ' OK so it is black'.
The cognitive dissonance is palpable.

 

[Saints43]

DeGoey won't happen unfortunately

Why not?
Why would any player who has had a contract pulled and re-presented by the club take less money for less years? They've hardly supported him.
His manager should be deregistered if he signs with them. Or, questions asked about how much he's actually getting paid.

 

[bird_man]

Why not?
Why would any player who has had a contract pulled and re-presented by the club take less money for less years? They've hardly supported him.
His manager should be deregistered if he signs with them. Or, questions asked about how much he's actually getting paid.

Hardly supported him?

I think they've supported him time and again.

They took the contract offer off the table to prove himself after he let them down time and again.

He's now playing career best footy in the top 4 side.

Why would he leave?

 

[Ads734]

For all the posts proclaiming Clarks talent and how crazy it would be to trade him can you tell me where he plays and what his role is in the team. I don't think he defends well enough at Half Back, he is not physically able to play midfield and doesn't have the tank to play wing. Like you I want him in the team because that talent with the ball is great to watch and he has some unique skills but in reality I am not sure he helps make us a better side.

I get the argument he is just reaching that age where he might take a big step and my instant reaction was don't trade him. But I still struggle to see where he is going to play long term and whether he is going to be a key part of the team. Maybe that is because he has hardly played for the last 2 years.

I have heard third hand from people who know his family how obsessed and committed he is to his footy still even after the injuries which is great to hear.

Anyway I can't see North stumping up the top ten pick for Clark I certainly wouldn't if I was them. So he will be our problem to solve.

Inside mid and half back. His strength or lack there of is a myth. He has natural midfield tendencies and a ability to move through congestion. He needs a coach with half a brain cell to let him stay in the guys for more then one half.

 

[Murraj1966]

I look at Collingwood and I don’t see them with a deal more top talent than us, or a pound for pound better bottom 6 players than us.

What they do have, which we lack, is an aura of confidence and arrogance.
From their senior leaders Pendlebury and Sidebottom, through prime of their career players Degoey, Maynard, crisp, down to first year players in ginnivin, Johnson, daicos.

A lot of you argue we don’t have talent or structure.
Our biggest lack is confidence.

That’s the coaches job.
Help if we recruit some like degoey.

Systems look dated and dysfunctional too. Our forward set up is abysmal and predictable.

If you listen to McCray on SEN he trains that confidence. He's looking like an inspired choice.

Couldn't be more correct.

It shows in how as soon as the pressure of potentially making the finals was off we ran it extremely close against Brisbane and Sydney 2 teams currently in the Prelims but when we had to just keep the season moving and the wins coming we lost to the Dogs, Essendon, Freo and got embarrassed by Sydney and Geelong.

We're a team of mental short people and while I'm not expecting him to be the saviour, I really hope Lenny can come in and teach our players to act like winners.

 

[Ads734]

For every Dmac and Sincs there is a Billings, and Dunstan…

Players that have traits to suggest they’d be very good footballers but just don’t come on like you’d hope.

The difference between Dmac and Sincs is they’ve both got elite athletic traits and endurance. I don’t see that at all with Clark which shows why he doesn’t play midfield and is a liability on defensive transition. Much like JB and Dunstan. However, some of his skills with ball in hand can be elite. My concern is that he’ll end up being a GOP who has flashes of brilliance but never puts it together/finds a spot in the team.

Not true midfield is probably the easiest position to not be an elite athlete. You can get by super , strong, athletic, contested or have great time and space ie Pendles, Cerra, Mundy , etc etc

 

[Yawkey way]

I have heard of people have foot fetish but never a hand fetish

If you watch after life apparently men like women with small hands.

No - we are talking about Brad Hil wanting to leave. Not same made up scenario you and others are creating.

The same Brad Hill with the same manager who walked out on 2 clubs prior to us mid contract.

If it happens it’s a disaster plain and simple, no amount of mental gymnastics can paint it in any other light.

 

[Ads734]

The St.Kilda problem is that we get young guys with promise, over pay them early and they get lazy thinking they’ve made it.

Yeah Hunts has had some bad injuries but he’s put on next to no muscle, has an awful tank and runs like he’s in quicksand.

If he puts in the work and builds his tank and can go through the middle it won’t matter that he can’t run, he’ll be Pendles like.

But he’s come in and been spoon fed as an early draft pick and hasn’t had to work for it

Any proof of this? Pretty unfair statements to make. Considering all the rehab Clark has had to do I’d argue anything but lazy.

 

[stavro#4]

If you watch after life apparently men light women with small hands.

If it happens it’s a disaster plain and simple, no amount of mental gymnastics can paint it in any other light.

Overreaction no?

All this board seems to do is cry over every decision.

If they go to the draft load up on good/decent picks and have a ton of salary free for the next 12 months - with the list being in largely the same position with more youth on it. What’s wrong?

 

[Saintos The ITK]

Don’t get too attached to anyone. We need to get better.

 

[St Kilda Death]

Couldn't be more correct.

It shows in how as soon as the pressure of potentially making the finals was off we ran it extremely close against Brisbane and Sydney 2 teams currently in the Prelims but when we had to just keep the season moving and the wins coming we lost to the Dogs, Essendon, Freo and got embarrassed by Sydney and Geelong.

We're a team of mental short people and while I'm not expecting him to be the saviour, I really hope Lenny can come in and teach our players to act like winners.

Belief is everything.
Freo believed all year.
Stopped believing when they ran through the banner at the MCG.
(I knew they were in trouble when I heard on the radio that their full forward had never been to the G, or Melbourne in his life until yesterday)

No coincidence that the 4 cockiest teams are the 4 still in it. We

 

[Saints43]

Hardly supported him?

I think they've supported him time and again.

They took the contract offer off the table to prove himself after he let them down time and again.

He's now playing career best footy in the top 4 side.

Why would he leave?

For more money for a longer period of time.
Like most people would.

 

[Veer Right]

Zak Jones is awful

In the guts he is. Was our number 2 mid last year (not saying a lot) but this year i can see why Longmire had him playing half back. He came to us wanting midfield time and as far as i am concerned that boat has sailed.

 

[HunterClarksHeadband]

Best case scenario, Pies win the flag - JDG gets his medal and packs up to the Saints for $1mil a year

 

[The Jack]

So. Why has the club put Clark up for trade? I’m a bit confused.

 

[Minga]

So. Why has the club put Clark up for trade? I’m a bit confused.

They haven’t.

Will go only for the right price, same with player. Is contracted.

Just media stories filling space in the week.

 

[g_TRAIN]

I look at Collingwood and I don’t see them with a deal more top talent than us, or a pound for pound better bottom 6 players than us.

What they do have, which we lack, is an aura of confidence and arrogance.
From their senior leaders Pendlebury and Sidebottom, through prime of their career players Degoey, Maynard, crisp, down to first year players in ginnivin, Johnson, daicos.

A lot of you argue we don’t have talent or structure.
Our biggest lack is confidence.

That’s the coaches job.
Help if we recruit some like degoey.

What was noticeable to me was when they were running down the race before the ball was bounced they were all laughing, cracking jokes, and had shit-eating grins all over their faces.

We always appear scared or serious before a game and the players play like they are scared.

 

[Rors]

Best case scenario, Pies win the flag - JDG gets his medal and packs up to the Saints for $1mil a year

Sounds like something we’d do…

Sign up a bloke on ridiculous money AFTER he’s won a flag, so he can just cruise around on easy street for $1m a yr & retire content with a flag (not ours) & a boosted super fund

 

[g_TRAIN]

So. Why has the club put Clark up for trade? I’m a bit confused.

Where did you hear that?

I heard that Clark was open to being traded not that the club had put him up for trade.

My guess is the club doesn't want him to go.

 

[George]

Conversation has descended into the size of Clark's hands, gee wizz. This place is bonkers

 

[g_TRAIN]

Inside mid and half back. His strength or lack there of is a myth. He has natural midfield tendencies and a ability to move through congestion. He needs a coach with half a brain cell to let him stay in the guys for more then one half.

I disagree, I don't see that side of him, unfortunately. (And I've usually agreed with you on most points in the past)

I watched every game he's played in the midfield for Sandy this year and I've paid close attention to him in the seniors when he's on the ball.

He cannot win clearance or contested ball like a true inside mid. He doesn't get on the move around stoppages. He lets his opponent take the front spot and lead him to the ball and when he does win the ball he gets tackled. He often gets the kick or handball away because of his skill but he's never bursting through with any power from his legs. He's a nice mover in traffic, yes but he's rarely first hands-on or even first receiver.

His area for growth is around the stoppage and using his legs to break away into space.

Watch his VFL game against the Sharks he attended nearly every single center bounce and didn't win a single one. Watch his positioning and movement around the stoppages and tell me what you think?

 

[Veer Right]

So. Why has the club put Clark up for trade? I’m a bit confused.

Why would anyone be enquiring unless Clarks manager is open to discussion and thus leaking info that he's also open to offers.

I would imagine this happens with many players. Worrying thing for those who want Clark to stay is he is more then likely on board with exploring his options.

 

[bird_man]

For more money for a longer period of time.
Like most people would.

Most players don't actually leave for more money for a longer period of time.

A few do but most will take less to stay at their club if things are going well.

I think if DeGoey were to walk out on the Pies it says a lot more about him than it does the club.

They are offering him 800k a year which is decent money for a player that has never got close to winning a best and fairest, never made AA and has had off field issues.