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Can't believe the support for taking a key defender in the first round!
MELB felt it was important to get defensive anchor points in May & Lever .....I would normally agree with you, just that we're looking at needs now

Chasing Oliver & Petty clearly shows what those needs are
 
MELB felt it was important to get defensive anchor points in May & Lever .....I would normally agree with you, just that we're looking at needs now

Chasing Oliver & Petty clearly shows what those needs are
Nah not a needs thing it’s a best available thing , there just aren’t many gun pure mids in this draft and someone like Connor O’Sullivan is a huge talent and potentially quite versatile
 

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Nah not a needs thing it’s a best available thing , there just aren’t many gun pure mids in this draft and someone like Connor O’Sullivan is a huge talent and potentially quite versatile
Sorry if I haven't explained properly ....my post was related to the players we have been chasing, which have identified our needs ....not that it was a revelation

I agree, if needs are not available in the Draft, having missed trade targets .....we would go best available

Now whether O'Sullivan is that player, and I do like him .....or whether we preference speed, that is the question
 
Indeed, Allies M.V.P. at the recent Nationals, not Ryley Sanders, not Colby McKercher, not Jed Walters, not Ethan Reid, not Jake Rogers.......Connor O'Sullivan.

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And he's not a city boy or a Tasmanian - he's a good country lad.

Getting one of the best big men in a draft that's full of them is very different than McAsey, who didn't have many other good bigs to compete against in his year.
 
Indeed, Allies M.V.P. at the recent Nationals, not Ryley Sanders, not Colby McKercher, not Jed Walters, not Ethan Reid, not Jake Rogers.......Connor O'Sullivan.
198cm sounds good too.
 
Him and George Stevens are my toughest 2 reads as long term players

Stevens as someone with runs on board that might not have much ceiling like a Will Gould…. But might be an absolute gun

And Moir with declining runs on board who has a huge ceiling

Must say I’m always buyer beware on a prospect that shows potential at 17 then doesn’t kick on unless there are extenuating circumstances like injury

Eg Lemmey , Dylan Williams
Moir was extremely competent and looked a class above at training pre season. He outshone a number of others with his skills and ball use. Did not look out of place at all.

His form this year has been below par and does not reflect his form there and last season.

Even in the game vs vic country he did some things only highly talented players can do. It’s simply we did not see enough of them.

A Chance for pick 20 with Mcaullife
 
Moir was extremely competent and looked a class above at training pre season. He outshone a number of others with his skills and ball use. Did not look out of place at all.

His form this year has been below par and does not reflect his form there and last season.

Even in the game vs vic country he did some things only highly talented players can do. It’s simply we did not see enough of them.

A Chance for pick 20 with Mcaullife
Absolutely have no doubt re his talent levels

Competiveness im not sure either way whether it will be able to change

Mcaullife in back half of draft for mine , I’m not bullish on this years SA crop outside of Goad who I like as a project
 
Sorry if I haven't explained properly ....my post was related to the players we have been chasing, which have identified our needs ....not that it was a revelation

I agree, if needs are not available in the Draft, having missed trade targets .....we would go best available

Now whether O'Sullivan is that player, and I do like him .....or whether we preference speed, that is the question
Yep our targets and needs have been good players no matter where they play

Eg Day Redman Oliver Petty and now most likely O’Sullivan , Wilson and maybe Leake / Windsor et al
 
Yep our targets and needs have been good players no matter where they play

Eg Day Redman Oliver Petty and now most likely O’Sullivan , Wilson and maybe Leake / Windsor et al
Most likely Sullivan ?? .....where's this coming from
 
I’ll have a go up to our last pick

1: WCE - Harley Reid
2: GC - Jed Walter (bid matched)
3: NM - Daniel Curtin
4: NM - Colby McKercher
5: Haw - Zane Duursma
6: GC - Ethan Read (bid matched)
7: WB - Nick Watson
8: Melb - Connor O’Sullivan
9: GWS - Darcy Wilson
10: Geel - Ryley Sanders
11: GC - Jake Rogers (bid matched)
12: Ess - Nate Caddy
13: Adel - Caleb Windsor
14: Melb - James Leake
15: WB - Jordan Croft (bid matched)
16: Syd - Ollie Murphy
17: St K - Harry DeMattia
18: Haw - Will McCabe (bid matched)
19: Adel - Mitch Edwards
20: NM - Arie Schoenmaker
21: GC - Will Graham (bid matched)
22: GWS - Koltyn Tholstrup
23: NM - Riley Hardeman
24: NM - Will Green
25: Coll - George Stevens
26: Adel - Charlie Edwards
Fixed. Removed the academy kids for clarity.

1: NM - Harley Reid
2: NM - Daniel Curtin
3: NM - Colby McKercher
4: NM - Zane Duursma
5: NM - Nick Watson
6: NM - Connor O’Sullivan
7: NM - Darcy Wilson
8: NM - Ryley Sanders
9: NM - Nate Caddy
10: NM - Caleb Windsor
11: NM - James Leake
12: NM - Ollie Murphy
13: NM - Harry DeMattia
14: NM - Mitch Edwards
15: NM - Arie Schoenmaker
16: NM - Koltyn Tholstrup
17: NM - Riley Hardeman
18: NM - Will Green
19: NM - George Stevens
20: NM - Charlie Edwards
 

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So you wanna draft O'Sullivan to fill Murray's shoes next year?
That wouldn't happen ....still hoping Petty, or Burgess next man up

If we miss out on mature trade targets ....I've said we should go best available ....there's not the depth this year to "stretch" for a need

I do like O'Sullivan though ....my man though remains Caleb Windsor.. and Mitch Edwards
 
Absolutely have no doubt re his talent levels

Competiveness im not sure either way whether it will be able to change

Mcaullife in back half of draft for mine , I’m not bullish on this years SA crop outside of Goad who I like as a project
We might have to disagree on Mcaullife then Jeff. He is a brute in close and loves to tackle hard. Check out his game vs vic country where he played on a number of good opponents. He has an inside and outside game
 
There is no way you can categorically guarantee where anyone goes outside of the 1st round this draft, or for that matter any draft this far out. Not even the recruiters will know what other clubs are doing outside of the early picks, they may have clues what players clubs have interest in but not the specific order on their respective draft boards. Tom Doedee a prime example.

There's no way you can categorically guarantee where anyone goes.

And every draft or two, there's someone really surprising who gets taken.

But let's be real. Someone from South Australia with exposed form getting taken much earlier than expected? It doesn't happen often at all.
 
I wouldn’t go around saying draft range guarantees after the Kosi Pickett stuff ;)
Lol - I was only a few picks off!

But sure - I guess there's some chance that an inside midfielder from SA who's currently not I many draft forecasts could be taken in the first 30 picks.

After maybe the first 20, you do hear a lot saying you can throw a blanket over the next lot. People will have different lists.

We had a terrible SA side this year, but it only takes one club. I'm probably just used to outcomes like Kobe Ryan.
 
Top 40 draft players article - abridged version of top 30 I have heavily edited below - would cover most of our picks if we take 3 or 4 to the draft (unlikely I know)


30. LUAMON LUAL

GWV Rebels/VIC, Defender, 181cm, 79kg

Stats and full bio:
2023 Draft Dossier

CC – 38: An athletic smaller defender who is very good one-on-one and has the speed and agility to go with some of the best small forwards around. Can also bring some run and bounce off halfback and his character and leadership is highly rated.



29. LANCE COLLARD

Subiaco/WA/West Coast NGA, Forward, 180cm, 65kg

Stats and full bio:
2023 Draft Dossier

CC – 34: Tied to West Coast’s Next Generation Academy, but another player who is not looking like getting past pick 40 anymore. Had a strong finish to the season, in the forward half for Subiaco’s Colts, including kicking 10 goals across two finals.

DB – 24: Collard has freakish ability as a small forward, with his purple patch to finish the season featuring a litany of dazzling goals: selling candy, snaps from the boundary, the lot. The Eagles academy talent would be a steal for the Eagles if he slips past pick 40.

28. WILL GREEN

Northern Knights/VIC, Ruck, 204cm, 93kg

Stats and full bio:
2023 Draft Dossier

CC – 22: A former junior cricket star who has quickly risen within since joining the AFL pathway programs in 2021. Co-captained the Knights this year and could be anything given his quality tap-work, size and sound fundamentals.


27. MITCHELL EDWARDS

Peel Thunder/WA, Ruck, 206cm, 89kg

Stats and full bio:
2023 Draft Dossier

CC – 24: A huge ruckman who has impressive craft, is a competitor, a strong overhead mark and is quite mobile for his size. Still has to put some weight on his frame, but is an exciting prospect from the west.

DB – 33: Would have liked to see more at national level from Edwards, but he is probably the next ruckman in the pool behind Ethan Read.

26. CHARLIE EDWARDS

Sandringham Dragons/VIC, Midfielder, 191cm, 85kg

Stats and full bio:
2023 Draft Dossier

CC – 27: Has been another big bolter in the back half of the year. Started the season at halfback for Sandringham Dragons but went into the midfield in the second half of the year and starred. Is a real leg-driver and drives the ball forward by foot.

DB – 29: Shot up draft boards to finish the year after moving into the midfield for the Sandringham Dragons. His speed from congestion and height gives him serious potential in a draft class lacking midfield depth, and he can also play off halfback.

25. ARCHER REID

Gippsland Power/VIC, Forward/ruck, 203cm, 94kg

Stats and full bio:
2023 Draft Dossier

CC – 21: His older brother Zach is a key forward at Essendon, but Archer plays at the other end. His weapon is his marking ability up forward, but he also developed his ruck craft nicely in the back end of the year with Gippsland.

DB – 34: A tough one to place. Is strong overhead and showed he can perform strongly as a forward and a second ruckman, but was a touch inconsistent throughout the year.

24. GEORGE STEVENS

GWV Rebels/VIC, Midfielder, 189cm, 101kg

Stats and full bio:
2023 Draft Dossier

CC – 31: An intriguing prospect. I’m a big fan – as some clubs are – but others say he is too slow. He was arguably Geelong’s best player in one of his VFL games for the Cats this year though, is tough, clean and a decent kick. As ready-made a prospect as you will find.

DB – 23: One of the most polarising players in the draft class. Has worked tirelessly to address concerns over his speed and his high-end performances can’t be ignored in my view, averaging 28.8 disposals and 160 SuperCoach ranking points per game for the Rebels. Showed he can play as contested ball-winner or off halfback with his kicking skills, and can impact from the get-go with his ready-made frame.


Midfielder George Stevens knows how to find the footy. Picture: Getty Images

23. TEW JIATH

Gippsland Power/VIC/Hawthorn NGA, Defender, 188cm, 72kg

Stats and full bio:
2023 Draft Dossier

CC – 29: The younger brother of Hawthorn’s Changkuoth Jiath was a big bolter in the second half of the season. He’s tied to Hawthorn’s Next Generation Academy, but it’s hard to see the Hawks landing him through that avenue now given the athletic defender looks certain to be a top-40 pick.

DB – 25: Ahead of his brother, Changkuoth, at the same age – and we saw how steep his development was from the point he was drafted. A serious bolter after eye-catching finish to the season where his intercepting, turn of step and composure shone through. Would be a surprise to see the Hawks nab him outside the 40.

22. ARIE SCHOENMAKER

Tasmania Devils/TAS, Defender, 194cm, 91kg

Stats and full bio:
2023 Draft Dossier

CC – 25:Was suspended for the first 10 weeks of the season for a “dumb” mistake, but made a massive impact down back in the second half of the year. Also featured forward and kicked two goals in one game for the Allies at the national championships and is a booming kick of the footy.

DB – 27: What an incredible turnaround it’s been after a 10-week club imposed suspension for a drinking related indiscretion. It’s rare that a player standing 194cm can kick goals from 55m off a couple of steps and moves as well as he can.

21. ARCHIE ROBERTS

Sandringham Dragons/VIC, Defender, 184cm, 79kg

Stats and full bio:
2023 Draft Dossier

CC – 20: A rebounding left-foot halfback who didn’t put a foot wrong this season. Won two flags with his school team at Haileybury and the Sandringham Dragons. A strong runner who loves to break the lines.

DB – 22: Reliable halfback who constantly provides run from behind and has a trusty left boot. Had a consistent season at all levels this year and has great composure.

20. HARRY DeMATTIA

Dandenong Stingrays/VIC, Midfielder/Forward, 185cm, 78kg

Stats and full bio:
2023 Draft Dossier

CC – 23: Clubs tend to like dual-sport athletes and DeMattia has represented Victoria in cricket. He’s got explosive speed, serious agility and clean hands. Can be deployed across a range of positions.

DB – 17: AFL clubs would be relieved he chose footy over his glittering cricket career. Screams future captain and his speed and footskills will allow clubs to deploy him all over the ground, impressing in a variety of different roles this year.


Harry DeMattia is quick and agile. Picture: Getty Images

19. WILL MCCABE

Central Districts/SA/Hawthorn father-son, Defender, 197cm, 86kg

Stats and full bio: 2023 Draft Dossier

CC – 19: Missed a chunk of the season with a foot injury but returned for a semi-final late in the season and had an impact. The Hawthorn father-son prospect reads the ball well, is athletic and can play tall or small.

DB – 19: Reads the play to perfection and uses it just as well by foot. Seven intercept marks on SANFL Reserves debut for Central Districts underlined the potential of the Hawks father-son.

18. RILEY HARDEMAN

Swan Districts/WA, Defender, 185cm, 75kg



CC – 15:
A nice left-footed rebounding defender who captained Western Australia at the national championships. His speed and booming and accurate kick are features of his game.



17. JAMES LEAKE

Tasmania Devils/TAS, Defender, 188cm

Stats and full bio:
2023 Draft Dossier

CC – 18: A medium-sized rebounding defender with strong intercepting abilities, who makes good decisions when he wins the ball back. But also had a serious impact when he went forward late in the year for the Devils.

DB – 16: The Tasmanian swingman can turn a game at either end with his vice-like hands, massive leap and speed off the mark. Impressed at national level for the Allies down back and kicked 12 goals in the space of three games for Devils late in the year.

16. KOLTYN THOLSTRUP

Subiaco/WA, Forward, 186cm, 86kg

Stats and full bio:
2023 Draft Dossier

CC – 16: Impressed in the 2km time trial and agility tests at the draft combine, showing he has the ability to progress from a half-forward to dynamic midfielder in time. Brings a fierce competitive edge and played some regular senior football in the WAFL this year.

DB – 18: Has plenty of swagger and X-Factor but he also does the hard things, restricting dual Sandover medallist Jye Bolton to 12 SuperCoach ranking points in a tagging job in the WAFL. Donning a bright gold pair of visors atop his shaggy mullet at the combine, Tholstrup is sure to be a fan favourite wherever he goes.


15. CALEB WINDSOR

Eastern Ranges/VIC, Wing, 184cm



CC – 17:
A wingman with pace to burn, it was no surprise to see him place third in the 20m sprint at the draft combine. Works hard and holds his lanes well as a wingman, but also spent some time as an inside midfielder at the national championships.

DB – 14: Has risen in estimations as the year has gone on as an athletically gifted wingman who is creative and efficient with ball in hand. Glides across the ground and then hits his opponents with a lightning burst of speed.

14. JORDAN CROFT

Calder Cannons/VIC/Bulldogs father-son, Forward, 200cm, 81kg

Stats and full bio: 2023 Draft Dossier

CC – 13: An elite runner for a 200cm key forward, the Western Bulldogs father-son prospect prides himself on working hard up the ground and being a real presence in the air. Grew up idolising Marcus Bontempelli and Aaron Naughton and could soon join them at the Kennel.

DB – 15: Another who will need a few pre-seasons to build size but his leap, strong contested marking and elite endurance is an exciting combination. Where the Bulldogs father-son fits in alongside Aaron Naughton and Jamarra Ugle-Hagan is the big question.


Jordan Croft has great athleticism. Picture: Dylan Burns/AFL Photos via Getty Images

13. OLLIE MURPHY

Sandringham Dragons/VIC, Defender, 200cm, 85kg



CC – 14:
The key defender has emerged out of nowhere to firm as a first-round prospect this year. Is competitive and rose to some big challenges in the under-18 national championships to win Vic Metro’s MVP award.

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12. DARCY WILSON

Murray Bushrangers/VIC, Wing/forward, 185cm, 74cm



CC – 12:
A wingman who can seriously run, Wilson finished second a close second in the 2km time trial at the draft combine. Is also a thumping kick and regularly pushed forward to hit the scoreboard this season.

DB – 12: A running machine with a massive leap, Wilson finished first in the running vertical jump and second in the 2km time trial. Can slot in on a wing or off a half-forward flank, where he can work up the ground and be seriously dangerous around goal.


Darcy Wilson is a running machine. Picture: Michael Klein

11. JAKE ROGERS

Gold Coast Suns Academy/QLD, Midfielder/forward, 171cm

Stats and full bio:
2023 Draft Dossier

CC – 11: A ball-winning midfielder who has incredibly clean hands and has drawn comparisons to Touk Miller. Is dynamic, has good speed and had a brilliant season before suffering a back injury at the tail end of the year.

DB – 11: At 170cm, you need to have some elite traits and he has got those in spades with his speed, agility, and super clean hands below his knees. Dominated in both AFL Academy games against senior opposition, suggesting he can crack into the Suns forward line next year. And he should be used through the midfield in the future.


Jake Rogers won the AFL Academy’s best on ground medal against Carlton’s VFL side. Picture: Getty Images

10. NATE CADDY

Northern Knights/VIC, Forward, 193cm, 88kg

Stats and full bio:
2023 Draft Dossier

CC – 10: Didn’t quite have the season he wanted to, but showed enough to suggest he is going to be a very good player. Can take a strong mark overhead, is a booming kick and kicks goals as a forward. Also went into the midfield at times this season and looked good.


9. CONNOR O’SULLIVAN

Murray Bushrangers/NSW-ACT, Defender, 198cm, 92kg

Stats and full bio:
2023 Draft Dossier

CC – 9: Plenty of clubs looking for key defenders and O’Sullivan is the best available in this draft. Brings a high workrate and can beat opposition key forwards in the air and at ground level.

DB – 9: O’Sullivan can play just about anywhere on the ground but looks most settled in defence, where he can clunk intercept marks and cover the ground with his elite endurance base – running the eighth best time in the 2km time trial. Scary to think the 198cm talent was used in the midfield at times this year.


Connor O'Sullivan has a strong engine. Picture: Dylan Burns/AFL Photos via Getty Images

8. ETHAN READ

Gold Coast Suns Academy/QLD, Ruck, 202cm, 92kg

Stats and full bio:
2023 Draft Dossier

CC – 8: Solidified his standing as an elite runner at the draft combine, when he finished third in the 2km time trial. Played mostly as a ruck this year, but has been compared to the versatile Mark Blicavs and could end up playing anywhere for the Suns.

DB – 7: See a lot of similarities to Tim English – and he could get to his level sooner, given he ran a staggering 5:56min 2ker. The All-Australian ruckman’s numbers were almost as ridiculous, averaging 20-plus disposals at the national championships.


Ethan Read could play anywhere. Picture: Michael Klein

7. RYLEY SANDERS

Sandringham Dragons/TAS/Roos NGA, Midfielder, 186cm

Stats and full bio:
2023 Draft Dossier

CC – 6: An old-fashioned centreman who pulls up the socks and gets to work around the contest. His national championships campaign with the Allies was as good as it gets, on the way to earning Larke Medal honours.

DB – 8: You can bank 200+ games with Sanders: a prolific ball-winner who is just so clean and agile at the coalface. Showed he can have an impact with his possessesions on his way to winning the Larke Medal at the national champs, but I feel the likes of Duursma and Watson are harder to find.


Ryley Sanders wins plenty of the footy. Picture: Getty Images

6. NICK WATSON

Eastern Ranges/VIC, Forward, 170cm, 68kg

Stats and full bio:
2023 Draft Dossier

CC – 7: The latest measurements have Watson at just 169.5cm. However, that won’t put clubs off using an early selection on the highly-talented small forward. He is quick, agile, brings great pressure and can kick goals from all angles.

DB – 6: Forget his height, Watson is a genuine matchwinner in the forward with his freakish goal sense, speed and leap. Put his team on his back multiple times throughout the year with bags of goals. Feel he could also be thrown into defence like Harry Sheezel and Nick Daicos and be a speedy half back in the mould of Jack Sinclair.


Nick Watson has plenty of tricks. Picture: Chris Hyde/AFL Photos/via Getty Images

5. DANIEL CURTIN

Claremont/WA, Defender/Midfielder, 197cm, 95kg

Stats and full bio: 2023 Draft Dossier

CC – 5: Looks likely to begin his AFL career as a key defender, where he starred as a bottom-age player last year. However, the West Australian could well develop into a classy big-bodied midfielder-forward in the years to come.

DB – 4: Spent time in the midfield this year but there is no doubt his best position is behind the ball, where he can soar for intercept marks and spot up targets with his pinpoint kicking and silky sidestep. The best key defender in the crop.


Daniel Curtin has great skills for a big man. Picture: Paul Kane/AFL Photos/via Getty Images

4. ZANE DUURSMA

Gippsland Power/VIC, Midfielder/Forward, 189cm, 79kg

Stats and full bio:
2023 Draft Dossier

CC – 3: One of the most exciting players in this year’s draft class. A forward who can also have a run through the midfield, he’s athletically gifted and has shown he can have a huge scoreboard impact forward of centre.

DB – 5: His four goals and six score assists against Vic Metro epitomised his game-breaking forward half impact. Xavier Duursma’s brother plays more like Connor Rozee, but can he become a full-time midfielder in the future? If so, look out.


3. COLBY MCKERCHER

Tasmania Devils/TAS, Midfielder, 180cm, 76kg

Stats and full bio:
2023 Draft Dossier

CC – 4: The best pure midfielder in this year’s pool. The left-footer oozes class, has good breakaway speed and has consistently found the footy at all levels this season. Tasmania’s finest.

DB – 3: If you haven’t seen his goal from the paint against Vic Country at the national championships, do yourself a favour. The smooth-mover has elite footskills, wins possessions at will and a burst of speed. Not much more you can ask for in a midfielder.


Colby McKercher ranks third in our consensus rankings. Picture: Graham Denholm/AFL Photos via Getty Images

2. JED WALTER

Gold Coast Suns Academy/QLD, Forward, 194cm, 97kg

Stats and full bio:
2023 Draft Dossier

CC – 2: Could prove to be the best ready-made key forward out of the draft in years. Gives off Charlie Curnow vibes with the way he plays and is a fierce competitor who is as good defensively as he is with ball in hand. The Suns have a beauty on their hands.

DB – 2: A key forward with the strength and overhead marking of Charlie Curnow with the defensive pressure of Charlie Cameron? Going to give defenders nightmares in the years to come and should have an instant impact for the Suns.


Jed Walter is set to impact from the get-go at the Suns. Picture: Daniel Pockett/AFL Photos/via Getty Images

1. HARLEY REID

Bendigo Pioneers/VIC, Midfielder/Forward, 187cm, 85kg

Stats and full bio: 2023 Draft Dossier

CC – 1: Clubs are clamouring for the No. 1 pick in this year’s draft and there’s good reason why. Reid is a freak, who showed this season that he is ready to make an instant impact at AFL level.

DB – 1: While picks 2 and 3 might be a bit much, I’d be throwing the kitchen sink at West Coast to get Reid. Made kids and grown men look silly at junior and VFL level over the past two years. A generational talent with plenty of similarities to Dustin Martin — including his trademark fend-off — as a midfielder/forward with maximum impact.

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like the sound of Will green and Charlie Edwards. Gun cricketer swapping to footy late and driving up the boards and a tall midfielder that they reckon runs hard from contest.
 
There was a rumour a month or so ago that O’Sullivan was our main draft target

That said, I reckon the chances of him making it to 10 are minuscule

I still doubt we take 10 to the draft. Think we will look to move up to the Cats pick. I dont see us taking 3 early picks.


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