Preview 2023 Rd 14 Carlton vs Gold Coast Sunday June 18 1:10PM @ MCG

[Jeremias]

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[Blue and Blue]

Selectors can't win. We cry all year that we're slow...they inject some speed and then people whinge because sos is dropped...baffling

Perhaps whingeing is the modus operandi for some.

 

[Garters]

What's the reason for keeping Young in this week besides that he's tall?

You are forgetting both his legs and full compliment of arms. Quite the package.

I think you will find he is just cover in case one of the talls don't get up and will be placed on 2's duty

 

[Rosscoe 17]

Nah, his name is Bambi.

Silvagni Height 1.91

Last Month Ruckmen Height
Draper 2.05
Gawn 2.08
McAndrew 2.1
Cox 2.11

Silvagni's participation in ruck work over the last couple of years is evidently a direct result of our deficiencies in list management.

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

Our rucks this season:

Ruck contests
597 Pittonet
365 TDK
112 Silvagni

Taps won
292 Pittonet (48.9%)
144 TDK (39.5%)
23 Silvagni (20.5%)

Taps to advantage per tap won
Pittonet 36.3%
Silvagni 30.4%
TDK 29.9%

Taps to advantage per contest attended
106 Pittonet (17.75%)
43 TDK (11.78%)
7 Silvagni (6.25%)

Disposals
Silvagni 13.0 per game
TDK 11.1 per game
Pittonet 10.1 per game

Disposal efficiency
Silvagni 68.6%
TDK 67.4%
Pittonet 57.4%

Kicking efficiency
Silvagni 57.1%
TDK 54.8%
Pittonet 37.7%

Effective kicks
Silvagni 4.7 per game
TDK 2.9 per game
Pittonet 2.0 per game

Kick to handball ratio
Silvagni 1.7
Pittonet 1.1
TDK 0.9

Effective Disposals
Silvagni 8.9 per game
TDK 7.5 per game
Pittonet 5.8 per game

Marks
Silvagni 4.0 per game
TDK 2.6 per game
Pittonet 1.7 per game

Scores
Silvagni 8.11
TDK 2.2
Pittonet 0.1

Tackles
Silvagni 2.7 per game
TDK 2.4 per game
Pittonet 2.0 per game

Pressure Acts
Silvagni 11.7 per game
TDK 11.4 per game
Pittonet 7.1 per game

My biggest takeaway is that the criticisms of Silvagni for poor disposal and not taking marks is a little unfair. We know he doesn't do much in the ruck but he is ahead in many categories so does that make up for what he lacks in the ruck?

I think a lot of these stats mean SFA in terms of comparing the impact they have had on the team, its not completely unflawed but would be interested in comparing each supercoach/afl ranking for each game and then compare it against the equivalent ruck from our opponent. Coaches votes are also a good measure, how many times have our 3 achieved coaches votes in 2023 and then how many times has the oppo ruckmen voted?

 

[Juddernaut08]

Squad …

AFL squad selection: Potential returns among extended squad

Nic Newman and Marc Pittonet could return this Sunday.

www.carltonfc.com.au

In: Jaxon Binns, David Cuningham, Lachie Fogarty, Nic Newman, Marc Pittonet

Out: Jesse Motlop, Jack Silvagni

Backs:	Jordan Boyd	Jacob Weitering	Nic Newman
Half-backs:	Brodie Kemp	Mitch McGovern	Adam Saad
Centreline:	Blake Acres	Patrick Cripps	Matthew Cottrell
Half-forwards:	Sam Docherty	Harry McKay	Jack Martin
Forwards:	Matthew Owies	Charlie Curnow	Tom De Koning
Followers:	Marc Pittonet	Adam Cerra	Sam Walsh
Interchange from:	Jaxon Binns	Alex Cincotta	David Cuningham
	Ed Curnow	Paddy Dow	Lachie Fogarty
	Matthew Kennedy	Lewis Young

Binns - in the 22
Cincotta - Sub
Cuningham - in the 22
Curnow - VFL 5eva
Dow - in the 22
Fogarty - VFL
Kennedy - in the 22
Young - VFL

So preferred Bench of Binns, Cuningham, Dow, Kennedy - Sub: Cincotta

More likely if I'm trying to predict Voss' mind: Bench of Kennedy, Ed, Young, Cincotta - Sub: Dow

Then again, we're talking about the fringe/bench of a team that has lost 7 of its last 8, with the only win against WCE. I'm not sure why I still have interest each week!

 

[Beer n Skittles]

I still don't get why Harry can't just spend a few minutes each quarter in the ruck.

The idea that you need both Charlie & Harry forward at all times to provide two big targets is crap. Melb & Coll don't have a big forward target as obvious as either of those guys and it doesn't hold them back, instead all their forwards are targets

 

[BlueJet]

Pittonet has always had more of an impact than stats would indicate.
JSOS is an admirable footballer, he gives his all week in week out but he's ultimately a peripheral player in our squad, there is nothing disgusting or disgraceful about him dropping out of the side.

 

[Sector 7G]

Our rucks this season:

Ruck contests
597 Pittonet
365 TDK
112 Silvagni

Taps won
292 Pittonet (48.9%)
144 TDK (39.5%)
23 Silvagni (20.5%)

Taps to advantage per tap won
Pittonet 36.3%
Silvagni 30.4%
TDK 29.9%

Taps to advantage per contest attended
106 Pittonet (17.75%)
43 TDK (11.78%)
7 Silvagni (6.25%)

Disposals
Silvagni 13.0 per game
TDK 11.1 per game
Pittonet 10.1 per game

Disposal efficiency
Silvagni 68.6%
TDK 67.4%
Pittonet 57.4%

Kicking efficiency
Silvagni 57.1%
TDK 54.8%
Pittonet 37.7%

Effective kicks
Silvagni 4.7 per game
TDK 2.9 per game
Pittonet 2.0 per game

Kick to handball ratio
Silvagni 1.7
Pittonet 1.1
TDK 0.9

Effective Disposals
Silvagni 8.9 per game
TDK 7.5 per game
Pittonet 5.8 per game

Marks
Silvagni 4.0 per game
TDK 2.6 per game
Pittonet 1.7 per game

Scores
Silvagni 8.11
TDK 2.2
Pittonet 0.1

Tackles
Silvagni 2.7 per game
TDK 2.4 per game
Pittonet 2.0 per game

Pressure Acts
Silvagni 11.7 per game
TDK 11.4 per game
Pittonet 7.1 per game

My biggest takeaway is that the criticisms of Silvagni for poor disposal and not taking marks is a little unfair. We know he doesn't do much in the ruck but he is ahead in many categories so does that make up for what he lacks in the ruck?

We weren't losing as badly in the Centre Clearances last year so JSOS filling in the ruck wasn't exposed as badly as it has been this year. Teams have worked out to just quickly get the ball to the outside and chances are a team mate will beat the slow Carlton midfielders to the ball. It's just not working this year

JSOS looked so banged up running around last week from competing with big rucks. Stops him from doing the things he can do.

The pies game the focus was on pressure and then JSOS was dropped after having the team high tackles. Not really the right message to the group and a source of frustration for JSOS..

 

[El Topo]

Out of curiosity, who was the last CFC coach to make a statement at selection? The more things change...

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

Out of curiosity, who was the last CFC coach to make a statement at selection? The more things change...

I think Parkin dropped Fraser Brown once, that could be it.

 

[Jatz]

I still don't get why Harry can't just spend a few minutes each quarter in the ruck.

The idea that you need both Charlie & Harry forward at all times to provide two big targets is crap. Melb & Coll don't have a big forward target as obvious as either of those guys and it doesn't hold them back, instead all their forwards are targets

I assume because he'd break.

 

[Jatz]

JSOS deserved to be dropped, as did Motlop.

Plenty others did as well but short of switching our VFL squad with our AFL squad, it's just not going to happen.

 

[Magical_EddieBetts]

Cunners is playing this week.

 

[Graffy4242]

Cunners is playing this week.

AWESOME !!!!!!

 

[Beer n Skittles]

I assume because he'd break.

Pittonet has done his knee too and will spend most of the game in the ruck.

If it’s that Harry is considered too valuable to risk in the ruck, how many more weeks of falling value until that’s no longer the case?

 

[Revenant1965]

Their squad:
FB: Ballard, S.Collins, Jeffrey
HB: Ben Long

22

Ben Long

Age

27

Ht

186cm

Wt

81kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.9

3star

K

6.2

2star

HB

4.7

3star

M

3.3

3star

T

2.7

4star

MG

166.8

3star

D

12.8

3star

K

6.7

3star

HB

6.2

4star

M

3.3

3star

T

2.3

3star

MG

129.0

2star

D

13.4

4star

K

6.8

3star

HB

6.6

4star

M

3.2

4star

T

3.2

5star

MG

223.0

4star

, Macpherson, Powell
C: Fiorini, D.Swallow, Ainsworth
HF: Rosas, Holman, Lukosius
FF: Berry, Ben King

34

Ben King

Age

24

Ht

202cm

Wt

98kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

7.2

2star

K

5.0

2star

HB

2.2

2star

M

3.5

4star

T

0.5

3star

G

1.3

5star

D

7.5

2star

K

5.6

2star

HB

1.9

1star

M

3.6

4star

T

0.3

1star

G

1.5

5star

D

6.8

2star

K

4.4

2star

HB

2.4

3star

M

3.2

4star

T

0.2

3star

G

1.0

4star

, Casboult
FOL: Witts, Rowell, Anderson
IC (Fom): Mac Andrew, Atkins, Davies, Sam Day

12

Sam Day

Age

32

Ht

196cm

Wt

106kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.8

2star

K

5.2

2star

HB

4.6

3star

M

3.5

4star

T

1.8

4star

G

0.7

4star

D

8.0

2star

K

3.6

1star

HB

4.4

3star

M

1.9

2star

T

1.5

2star

G

0.9

4star

D

8.6

3star

K

3.2

2star

HB

5.4

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

0.8

3star

G

0.2

3star

, Ellis, Humphrey, Moyle, Alex Sexton

6

Alex Sexton

Age

30

Ht

186cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.4

3star

K

8.3

3star

HB

4.1

3star

M

3.1

3star

T

2.0

4star

MG

316.2

4star

D

9.6

2star

K

7.3

3star

HB

2.3

2star

M

2.6

3star

T

1.9

3star

D

9.4

3star

K

7.0

3star

HB

2.4

3star

M

3.2

4star

T

2.0

4star

I can see Young remaining, just because he is tall.

I also feel at some stage the wheel will turn and wins will come. Not sure if it's this game. But if Binns, Cuningham, and Kennedy are in, with Doch as a defender and Kennedy some time forward, I'd like to think of a positive result for us.

However, below are observations from a GC Poster (not mine). Rather telling.

Considering tonights performance from Carlton

• Midfield pressure non-existent
• Cripps playing on a broken ankle (probably)
• Walsh and Cerra get 30+ but 0 hurt factor
• Acres has 0 killer passes in the forward 50
• McKay & Curnow will get their shots
• No other forward can kick a footy
• Tag Saad and we'll be fine
• Docherty goes ok but plays all thirds of the ground so no impact

How to beat Carlton

• Win Contested football (Ranked #1) Carlton (Ranked #11)
• Win Clearances (Ranked #2) Carlton (Ranked #15)
• Witts v De Koning (Ranked #3) Carlton (Ranked #9)
• Tackles inside 50 (Ranked #7) Carlton (Ranked #17)
• Goal Accuracy (Ranked #11) Carlton (Ranked #18)
• Disposals (Ranked #18) Carlton (Ranked #4)

 

[Red_man2008]

Fog Binns and cunners.

 

[Arr0w]

Gameplan later/in another thread, for now, just this game

As per preseason, I would shuffle some players

Gov Weitering Newman
Doc Young Saad

Pitto Cerra Walsh
Acres Cripps Cotts

Boyd Harry Martin
Owies Charlie TDK

Kemp, Cuners, Cincotta, Kennedy

Boyd - Better user, benefits our scoring/inside 50s

Doc - To the backline again, but needs to stop blazing

Kemp - Don't want him in the side as a defender, too loose and costly, just doesn't have the IQ when to hold, peel or handover. But, strong hands and would be dangerous forward.

Cincotta - Really lucky to retain a spot, lost Merrett early in the 3rd and it really hurt us

Binns unlucky, toss up between he and Cotts

 

[Revenant1965]

Gameplan later/in another thread, for now, just this game

As per preseason, I would shuffle some players

Gov Weitering Newman
Doc Young Saad

Pitto Cerra Walsh
Acres Cripps Cotts

Boyd Harry Martin
Owies Charlie TDK

Kemp, Cuners, Cincotta, Kennedy

Boyd - Boyd bring a better user, benefits our scoring/inside 50s

Doc - To the backline again, but needs to stop blazing

Kemp - Don't want him in the side asap defender, too loose and costly, just does have the IQ when to hold, peel or handover. But, strong hands and would be dangerous forward.

Cincotta - Really lucky to retain a spot, lost Merrett early in the 3rd and it really hurt us

Binns unlucky, toss up between he and Cotts

Welcome back.

 

[Bell Ringer]

I’d love to know if there is a Hit out to advantage against stat

And a "stoppage outcome when nominated ruck" stat

 

[Michael Jezz]

Gold Coast by 19 points.
Witts will give rowell anderson and co first use.
They have a serious fwd line.
Frankly, GC are a better side on paper which reflects on the holes in the Carlton list

 

[CJMB]

Our rucks this season:

Ruck contests
597 Pittonet
365 TDK
112 Silvagni

Taps won
292 Pittonet (48.9%)
144 TDK (39.5%)
23 Silvagni (20.5%)

Taps to advantage per tap won
Pittonet 36.3%
Silvagni 30.4%
TDK 29.9%

Taps to advantage per contest attended
106 Pittonet (17.75%)
43 TDK (11.78%)
7 Silvagni (6.25%)

Disposals
Silvagni 13.0 per game
TDK 11.1 per game
Pittonet 10.1 per game

Disposal efficiency
Silvagni 68.6%
TDK 67.4%
Pittonet 57.4%

Kicking efficiency
Silvagni 57.1%
TDK 54.8%
Pittonet 37.7%

Effective kicks
Silvagni 4.7 per game
TDK 2.9 per game
Pittonet 2.0 per game

Kick to handball ratio
Silvagni 1.7
Pittonet 1.1
TDK 0.9

Effective Disposals
Silvagni 8.9 per game
TDK 7.5 per game
Pittonet 5.8 per game

Marks
Silvagni 4.0 per game
TDK 2.6 per game
Pittonet 1.7 per game

Scores
Silvagni 8.11
TDK 2.2
Pittonet 0.1

Tackles
Silvagni 2.7 per game
TDK 2.4 per game
Pittonet 2.0 per game

Pressure Acts
Silvagni 11.7 per game
TDK 11.4 per game
Pittonet 7.1 per game

My biggest takeaway is that the criticisms of Silvagni for poor disposal and not taking marks is a little unfair. We know he doesn't do much in the ruck but he is ahead in many categories so does that make up for what he lacks in the ruck?

Just on the ruck stats, what it doesn’t take into account is the opponent, more specifically if they’re the #1 or relief ruck.

Jack, and Tom to a lesser degree as he’s played a few as the primary ruck with Jack in support, have their numbers pumped up a little as they’re usually not competing against the #1 ruck, while Pitto is rarely facing the backup.

Jack can do ok post-hitout if it hits the deck and it’s all a bit of a mess as he can follow up as a quasi-mid. But we also saw what happened against Collingwood when that’s not the case and the ball exits the centre square fast, resulting in a barrage of repeated goals.

As mentioned by someone else, it’d be great to see a stat on ‘hitouts to advantage conceded’ or similar, to get a better idea of how much they thwart an opponent.

 

[CJMB]

Silvagni Height 1.91

Last Month Ruckmen Height
Draper 2.05
Gawn 2.08
McAndrew 2.1
Cox 2.11

Silvagni's participation in ruck work over the last couple of years is evidently a direct result of our deficiencies in list management.

194 according to the Carlton website. Same as Charlie.

Also those heights probably reduce a little when you compare the opposition relief rucks? Likely still taller than Jack, but none the less.

 

[skadoosh]

Welcome back David!

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

Really happy to see Cunners back.
Have a great game young man.

Also IIRC The Suns have only ever one once at the G (against the Dees a few years ago) so that should give us hope.

My tip ?

Suns by 11 points ..