Preview 2023 Rd 17 Carlton vs Fremantle Sunday July 9 4:40PM @ Optus Stadium

[Aphrodite]

Team is in ...


IN: Matthew Cottrell
OUT: Ed Curnow, George Hewett

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George Hewett

Age

29

Ht

187cm

Wt

87kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.7

4star

K

7.4

3star

HB

10.3

5star

M

2.7

3star

T

4.1

5star

CL

3.3

5star

D

13.8

3star

K

4.8

2star

HB

9.0

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.2

4star

CL

2.8

4star

D

11.2

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

3.4

3star

M

3.4

4star

T

4.0

5star

CL

0.4

3star

AFL team news: Cottrell in for trip west

The team is in for Round 17.

www.carltonfc.com.au

 

[The Flying Doormat]

So now: Lets DUMP VOSS because he has no game plan and hasn't picked Dow. That's what the last couple of months has boiled down to in this forum - RIDICULOUS.

Sorry JAB, that's somewhat misleading.

W-L ratio was (is) a factor for those agitating against Voss.

People weren't saying he didn't have a game plan, more the game plan sucked or is (was) outdated.

Non selection of Dow is one of a number of selection mysteries that has perplexed many on here.

Perhaps you've missed some of the more detailed comments from people like gbatman and The Old Dark Navy's, two of the calmest most analytical posters, that address these issues.

Ridiculous?

 

[HarryFlashman]

Weiters being cleared is huge, looks like the weather could clear up too.
Big ground & better opposition, will be interesting to see if the MC respond accordingly.
Simply amazing that we have beaten 2 teams performing horribly & we are now back in contention & Voss is the man.
Funny how being flogged tactically by our biggest rivals 3 weeks ago & losing 6 in a row to decent sides has been forgiven & forgotten.

 

[katmanblue]

If Jacob does get a week, then I have supreme confidence that Sam Durdin will come in and do a great job for us.

Have more confidence in our legal team.

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[JustaBattler]

Sorry JAB, that's somewhat misleading.

W-L ratio was (is) a factor for those agitating against Voss.

People weren't saying he didn't have a game plan, more the game plan sucked or is (was) outdated.

Non selection of Dow is one of a number of selection mysteries that has perplexed many on here.

Perhaps you've missed some of the more detailed comments from people like gbatman and The Old Dark Navy's, two of the calmest most analytical posters, that address these issues.

Ridiculous?

GBatman stated an hour or so before the game against Hawthorn that Voss cant coach and should go and went into some 'detail' about his 'reasoning' - I'll leave it that.

I won't comment on TODN's views they speak for themselves except to say I agree with his main point regarding 'some' perplexing selection decisions - but in response I say that we never know what the thinking is or what the circumstances are, and I say also in response that he has put together a pretty good structure over teh last month - notably aided by the never before options of Martin and Cuningham in the last two weeks, some continuity in teh defensive structure and some massive improvements in the fitness and running capacity of Walsh in particular but also Cripps now.

The decisions I have disagreed with Voss on and have stated in this forum are

1. I was bemused at his choice in playing Kennedy as a HBF
2. I think he continued to play Fisher, Durdin and Motlop for too long ( but what were the real alternatives at the time)
3. I think Young has been a liability in defense all year - again Durdin was injured ( again)
4. Maybe at the margin Honey was given a week or two too many - maybe I'm still not convinced he isnt a likely prospect in teh right company - but surrounded by Motlop/Durdin Fisher - clearly didn't impact enough given his athletic profile.

W/L I'll say again is an outcome of all variables - and I think Voss hasn't had the best hand of cards dealt to him regarding the overall balance of the list and injury. More pertinent though is that too many players weren't playing at the required intensity to match opponents and execution has been horrible.

I'm neutral to positive Voss and pretty much over a lot of players on this list who aren't putting in week in week out to an acceptable standard. It isnt an accident there are still 16 players out of contract this year.

As for Dow that's a hill I'm happy not to plant a flag on - very easy call for me to make - yeah I'll back the coaches on that one.

Opposed to Dow non selection we have seen the selection of

Cincotta - promoted and dropped and repromoted
Kemp - promoted, dropped and repromoted
Boyd ( back from injury)
Cottrell ( back from injury)
Cuningham ( back from injury)
Martin ( back from injury)
Hollands first year player now out with broken collarbone

all making positive impacts on the team's performance.

Dropping of underperforming Young ( played this week due to unavailability of both Pittonet and TDK)
Dropping of forum favourite Fisher
Dropping of LoB
Dropping of underperforming Silvagni
Dropping of an unfit Kennedy to emergency
Dropping of an unfit Hewett to emergency

Clearly he is working on arriving at the best mix to play the game - a game style which is pretty much standard for all teams btw and only constrained by player ability and form.

I guess my view has always been you are only as good as your bottom 8 or so players - and Carlton's bottom players have been too much in the forward half - hence no scoring and too much in midfield output - hence poor between the arcs transition and defense. I had us marginal finalists if everything went well - before Williams copped a year-long injury and before some FW ruined Cuninghams shoulder mucking around the week before game time. Not surprised one iota where we are given everything that happened to the core mids last year - you don't recover from back surgery or lisfrank injury in a couple of months and you certainly don't get back to peak performance a couple of months after that...

People need to keep notes on this stuff - they dont in the main.

 

[HarryFlashman]

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They have the runs on the board Durds did look good in the 2, would swap him for Young in a heart beat

 

[HarryFlashman]

he has put together a pretty good structure over teh last month

We lost convincingly to the Dees (was over at half time) Got flogged by * with one of the poorest displays of coaching you’re likely to see - literally did nothing as the game was being lost in real time & everyone at the ground bar Voss , could see he needed to do something (bring the Sub on was a very obvious thing to do when we were getting slaughtered at the CB) & we beat the Suns & Hawthorn who were very very avg.
That’s the last month!

 

[JustaBattler]

We lost convincingly to the Dees (was over at half time) Got flogged by * with one of the poorest displays of coaching you’re likely to see - literally did nothing as the game was being lost in real time & everyone at the ground bar Voss , could see he needed to do something (bring the Sub on was a very obvious to do when we were getting slaughtered at the CB) & we beat the Suns & Hawthorn who were very very avg.
That’s the last month!

I have asked you not to quote me - keep to yourself. No interested in anything you have to say to me. Got it?

 

[HarryFlashman]

I have asked you not to quote me - keep to yourself. No interested in anything you have to say to me. Got it?

Public forum mate, block/ignore button is right there.
You said the last month, was just pointing out what the month has actually been

 

[4flagsin5yrs]

Breust destroyed him yesterday...

Watched the replay.

Newy was solid other than that missed tackle, the dumb, soft 50m and losing his feet a few times.

 

[4flagsin5yrs]

I would assume that an anonymous internet post by itself is hardly a compelling case. I went to a golf day where Leigh matthews was guest speaker and I asked him specifically (prior to us appointing Voss) about Voss' coaching ability and performance at the lions.

Lethal was very complimentary about Voss, said he was an excellent coach and the victim of an ageing successful list (and putting too much faith in Fev) and that he would be an ideal candidate for any role in the future.

Pretty comfortable in lethals judgement.

Lethal's got a brain, of course he'll play a straight bat to Captain Frizz.

Ridiculous stuff.

 

[AB_Blue]

No point playing Hewitt as sub…is not an impact player and doesn’t look right for a full game

Cotts in for Ed no brainer

Rucks will be interesting….if both are available JSOS must at a minimum he retained as sub

Bring the effort from the previous 2 games and we can do this


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[4flagsin5yrs]

He was the head coach when the camp happened. Are we to believe that you think that a head coach has no responsibility for organising a pre season camps?

Even worse, for years afterwards he commented that the camp had all been hunky dory and that there was nothing to see here.

OK, let's run with your pitch...

So, Vossy leant heaps in the years since being a dud Coach at the Lions but Pyke learnt nothing from taking a team to a semi final, then a GF, before making a 'mistake' aboiut an externally controlled camp...?

 

[Revenant1965]

Felt more optimistic then negative about wins over GC and Hawks. Feel the same way about Freo. Just taking it OGAAT....

 

[DangerousD]

No point playing Hewitt as sub…is not an impact player and doesn’t look right for a full game

Cotts in for Ed no brainer

Rucks will be interesting….if both are available JSOS must at a minimum he retained as sub

Bring the effort from the previous 2 games and we can do this


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Quite like Hewett as sub, Hewett can play several positions on the ground, more worried about playing Kennedy, Cripps and Hewett together, doesn’t seem right, although it was fine last year.

 

[BigFrizz36]

OK, let's run with your pitch...

So, Vossy leant heaps in the years since being a dud Coach at the Lions but Pyke learnt nothing from taking a team to a semi final, then a GF, before making a 'mistake' aboiut an externally controlled camp...?

I don't have a pitch. I have an opinion about Don Pyke that is shared by many. I think that he's a great tactician and an average coach. Bearing in mind he was available when we appointed Voss we either didn't want him or he didn't want the job so I'd suggest it's not something that we need to worry about it.

 

[JoeyPBLUES]

I don't have a pitch. I have an opinion about Don Pyke that is shared by many. I think that he's a great tactician and an average coach. Bearing in mind he was available when we appointed Voss we either didn't want him or he didn't want the job so I'd suggest it's not something that we need to worry about it.

No he wasn't. Came out publicly multiple times stating he wasn't leaving Sydney

 

[jimsta10]

Ignore for a moment whether Voss can or can't coach. IMO it's a team it's coherent with having the proper structure and players for the game.

Seeing multiple players having a crack and the "never give up" attitude has definitely initiated a considerable spark and rippled amongst the players.

I'll give Voss a tone of props, but credit should be towards the players. IF this momentum continues against Freo, we'll win 100%

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

I am very fearful what the Darcy/Jackson combo will do to Young/JSOS... So praying for TDK to get up to at least give us a chance. Outside of this, we should be winning this.. We are better matched on every line yet I have no confidence we will get it done.

Our interstate record is troubling as well, Under Voss its 7 losses & 4 wins, with 2 of the interstate wins against Eagles.

 

[bmaurizio]

A step at the time for us, without bravado nor chest beating, last two wins against very young, inexperienced teams is a step in the right direction certainly, however not inspirational, our next two games will reveal much more.
Fremantle at Optus stadium is a very difficult obstacle for any team,
also I think Fyfe being unavailable actually makes them a greater threat and better team in his current form, obviously being on one leg.
A dure , hard game will be so tough , hope the boys bring a positive determination and the 4points home.

 

[bmaurizio]

I am very fearful what the Darcy/Jackson combo will do to Young/JSOS... So praying for TDK to get up to at least give us a chance. Outside of this, we should be winning this.. We are better matched on every line yet I have no confidence we will get it done.

Our interstate record is troubling as well, Under Voss its 7 losses & 4 wins, with 2 of the interstate wins against Eagles.

Yup agree with you, if we enter the game with Young/JSOS Ruck combination the task of wining is very difficult indeed, as been an Achilles heel position for a few seasons now.

 

[4flagsin5yrs]

I am very fearful what the Darcy/Jackson combo will do to Young/JSOS... So praying for TDK to get up to at least give us a chance. Outside of this, we should be winning this.. We are better matched on every line yet I have no confidence we will get it done.

Our interstate record is troubling as well, Under Voss its 7 losses & 4 wins, with 2 of the interstate wins against Eagles.

For the record, Jackson had 8 disposals vs. the Dogs, 1 tackle, no goals, 2 marks, 3 HOs.

Hope he backs that up!

 

[Sector 7G]

Quite like Hewett as sub, Hewett can play several positions on the ground, more worried about playing Kennedy, Cripps and Hewett together, doesn’t seem right, although it was fine last year.

What positions can Hewitt play other than inside mid? Played 10 good games at the start of the year but lacks dash and we can't play Crippa, Kennedy and Hewitt in the same team and when we subbed CC out we were. Behind Kennedy and I can't see a spot for him in the side. Teams worked out at stoppages to get the ball outside the contest and then beat us with speed on the outside. Compare Hewitt to Dow's impact coming on last week. He provided no extra run.

 

[Arr0w]

What positions can Hewitt play other than inside mid? Played 10 good games at the start of the year but lacks dash and we can't play Crippa, Kennedy and Hewitt in the same team and when we subbed CC out we were. Behind Kennedy and I can't see a spot for him in the side. Teams worked out at stoppages to get the ball outside the contest and then beat us with speed on the outside. Compare Hewitt to Dow's impact coming on last week. He provided no extra run.

Hewett could play the Fog role better than Fog

 

[CJMB]

What positions can Hewitt play other than inside mid? Played 10 good games at the start of the year but lacks dash and we can't play Crippa, Kennedy and Hewitt in the same team and when we subbed CC out we were. Behind Kennedy and I can't see a spot for him in the side. Teams worked out at stoppages to get the ball outside the contest and then beat us with speed on the outside. Compare Hewitt to Dow's impact coming on last week. He provided no extra run.

I tend to agree. Right now, on current form & structure they're probably all best 22, but I'd prefer to have players like Cuningham, Fogarty or Cottrell who can legitimately play a couple of roles (fwd/mid for DC & LF, fwd/wing for Cotts) and would inject some energy.

Alternatively a Binns, Hollands or Carroll could work too for similar reasons. Dow kind of works, in that he brings some energy late in the game, but he's not the most versatile choice.

With Doc playing that wing role it means we've got a player that can go back if we sub a defender off, and those versatile, mid/wing-capable fwd half players provide cover for the other two thirds of the ground.

 

[Blue and Blue]

Nice to have choices.