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Preview 2023 Rd 17 Carlton vs Fremantle Sunday July 9 4:40PM @ Optus Stadium
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Hewett can play half back, which he did a bit at the Swans and has decent forward nous. Agree with you in regards Kennedy, Cripps and Hewett playing midfield but I’ve always thought Kennedy would make a good half forward, ticks a lot of boxes.
Id like to see Dow get a better run to see how he goes.
While Hewitt did play HB at Sydney, not well enough for them to want to keep him. He would give us no run out of the backline. He doesn't have the pace to put pressure in the forward half and neither does Kennedy.
Don't think Fog is quicker than Hewett
Can't agree and I am unsure what you are basing this off. Watching the replay it was interesting to see how many times FOG was the link in the chain as shown by 11SI.
FOG moves much better than Hewitt, just a shame he can't kick 45m but otherwise he has clean hands and his hit up to H in the 3 was great
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Sydney were happy to keep him, but he wanted to play in the middle...
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Hewett does not look to be moving at the same level as last year, hence playing Cripps & Kennedy and Hewett in the same mid field mix has not worked this year, not sure if this is a carry over from his back issues previously.
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Fingers crossed but i wouldnt count on it.. Jackson is on 35 coaches' votes having polled in 5 games and Darcy is on 20 from 4 games. Our 4 rucks of TDK, Pitto, JSOS & Young have combined for a total of 7, TDK with 1 against Suns and Young with 6 in round 1 playing in defence.
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talk on the Freo forum suggests he might be carrying an injury....
In: Dow
Out: E.Curnow
B: Kemp-------------------McGovern---------------Newnes
H: Docherty---------------Weitering----------------Saad
C: Acres-------------------Cripps------------------Cuningham
H: Martin-----------------C.Curnow----------------Silvagni
F: Fogarty-----------------McKay-------------------Owies
Foll: Young, Cerra, Walsh
Bench: Boyd, Cincotta, Kennedy, Dow
Sub: Hewett
Out: E.Curnow
B: Kemp-------------------McGovern---------------Newnes
H: Docherty---------------Weitering----------------Saad
C: Acres-------------------Cripps------------------Cuningham
H: Martin-----------------C.Curnow----------------Silvagni
F: Fogarty-----------------McKay-------------------Owies
Foll: Young, Cerra, Walsh
Bench: Boyd, Cincotta, Kennedy, Dow
Sub: Hewett
bringing Newnes back in case he's needed for a shot after the siren?
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Then pick from Cincotta or Newman, because we need to make midfield adjustments and a big part of that is getting Walsh to the outside more. Another component is that Docherty appears to still be doing something like 80% of his best work behind the ball or in transition.
Then there's Kennedy, who gets ground down by speed/strength midfield mixes, which is what most elite on-ball units have. We need better solutions at stoppages. Cuningham and Fogarty have helped, Dow will help further as rotation option IMO.
That is absolutely their job: to balance between how we attack and how we defend, and to reflect the list as we do so. Assuming a list isn't filled with absolute crap, they can and should adjust their tactical choices based on the personnel.
Collingwood are doing that perfectly at the moment and they are humming along.
The coach is not solely responsible for any of those, but he is primarily responsible for some, and typically shares responsibility for others. Poorly structured game style with poor selection integrity and assessment can grind a list to dust.
Ok, you're just fully channelling Leigh Matthews at this point. Game plan can be overemphasised by those who see decision making as being 100% consistent and players being able to manage every variance of a split second decision, but you can clearly see teams that have different philosophies on how to use players and how to attack and defend the game.
Good sides will switch between at least 2 tactical looks, but football is a fluid sport in terms of player and ball movement and it's not as cut and dry as other football codes as a result. Conversely with anaerobic fatigue in burst plays, and aerobic fatigue as the game wears on, you train to have straight forward and consistent mechanisms that generate results in those more adverse circumstances.
We started out with that being to kick it long to Charlie and Harry no matter the opposition number or our ability to crumb, but that shit hasn't worked for 10+ years, so it got ripped apart. Then there were dummy leads creating a screen, but that got repeatedly figured out too. Now, we actually recognise when we should find space to execute, or make space for others.
It sounds fundamental, but if you don't train it, how can you expect players who haven't thought about it to execute it on game day?
Newman is at least 10 kgs lighter than the others you are mentioning. It's not just the ink.
I've repeatedly said that he should be a high half-forward and mid rotation for years. They only started training him for that late last year, and the only thing stopping me from calling for it as a replacement to Fisher this year is that I thought we could do it with midfielders whose bodies were holding up better.
I like the idea of Fogarty as a small defender, small midfielder, and high half forward, I think it plays to his strengths. Foot/ankle issues permitting, he's playing himself into a new contract.
At his best, he is a budget Marc Murphy, but his kicking execution and agility can fall apart when his foot problems flare.
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Exactly, and this the reason I believe that Voss and the MC refuse to play Bam Bam forward as well. Their desire is for more pacey types to be playing across half back and half forward imo.
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From the last two weeks I've noticed the team isn't playing with expectations, finals are a long shot now so they seem to play more daring with run and carry though the corridor, picking out options through the corridor and quite simply playing as if there is nothing to lose. There is no pressure nor expectation to really make the finals so they can take more risks which with the improvement in skills in the last two games are paying off.
We need that mindset for this weekend, forget Freo at home as the opposition, concentrate on playing on instinct and hard running to open the game up. If we can go into this match with the mindset that we have nothing to lose then the players will stop the dinky safe kick to kick which slows us down and actually take the game on and move it with speed as well as picking out high risk high reward kicks, handballs and hunt in packs.
We completely overwhelmed Hawthorn, absolutely suffocated them then smashed them with precise ball movement. Bring that against Freo an we are a really good shout.
We need that mindset for this weekend, forget Freo at home as the opposition, concentrate on playing on instinct and hard running to open the game up. If we can go into this match with the mindset that we have nothing to lose then the players will stop the dinky safe kick to kick which slows us down and actually take the game on and move it with speed as well as picking out high risk high reward kicks, handballs and hunt in packs.
We completely overwhelmed Hawthorn, absolutely suffocated them then smashed them with precise ball movement. Bring that against Freo an we are a really good shout.
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The Carlton forward mix consisted of Charlie and Harry up till 2 weeks ago - the very definition of absolutely crap and all the stats relative to opposition units confirm this. Now assuming that this is accepted- understand the implications of what that meant to execution again reference the relevant stats...
Moving on to teh midfield mix- I seem to be the only person on here who understands that recovering from back operations and lisfrank foot surgery in the pre-seaosn ( meaning non pre-season) and then expecting to gaun fitness whilst playing ( good luck playing to anywhere near bet output) severely constrained midfield performance - omn top of which it has been clear that until the bye rest Cripps was playing handicapped and Pittonet has never reco vered full fitness...
These factors point to severe constraints on performance in my eyes - if you wish to blame the coach go right ahead- the pforumj is full of such nonsense- I am surprised you are even debating the issues.
Specifics are always better than no reference to the specifics of what has been said if on wishes to engage in a conversation
everything you say is what needs to be considered by every coach and not surprisingly they all come upwith same game plan - wiun congested ball move ball through defenders and defend lost ball - not rocket science mate
Post hoc armachir analysis - tempting to invent a narrative to describe one team's manner of winning - when all it boils down to is which team is better capable of executing - which boils down to - who has teh better mix of players ...
I reference Carltons pre-injury last year as more meaningful than Carltons half VFL team and injured since then this year...as more meaningful as to what one can expect to see in. a better executed game from Carlton players - amazing what the addition of two dangerous forwards can do to scoring and setting up scores and also keeping teh ball in forward fifty - because they can tackle and predict and cover - ie they have a brain.
I can have a very long and detailed conversation about all the things that the coaches wouldn't be training for- like missing set shots from 25 meters out having the lowest conversion ration in history - the lowest tackle counts the highest number of missed tackles...etc etc etc...
I can also add that that no coach asks their players to be injured, out of form, or just lacking the basic components of competitiveness..
Fiogarty has publicly admitted that he ahs been recovering from severe back injury - was it today or yesterday? maybe his selection was waiting for his fitness to be adequate...just maybe?
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Young/Silvagni took more marks combined in one game than TDK/Pitto in any game this season.
Rucks providing consistent marking targets has been a deficiency of ours all season.
There's something in that. Can they replicate vs Freo? Not sure but it was refreshing to see nonetheless.
Rucks providing consistent marking targets has been a deficiency of ours all season.
There's something in that. Can they replicate vs Freo? Not sure but it was refreshing to see nonetheless.
People please Dow is concussed and WONT play this week can we just go one week without the Dow talk.
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Nic newman on Walters is a perfect matchup. Can be flaky and go missing perfect for him.
Weitering to Jackson/Darcy will be great for his ability to get off and help and intercept.
Kemp or McGovern matchup on amiss is a tough one. He only had Ryan Gardner last week and he tore him up for periods. Kemp and mcgovern both will be giving up cms.
They also have treaty who is basically irrelevant. If it’s wet as expected we should get the perfect matchup with whom ever misses out on amiss.
Switkowski and Shultz have torn us apart previously. swit generally plays arc to arc and pushes up to the stoppage. So it has to be Docherty or Cincotta in my opinion. Shultz will get saad.
Seeing Brayshaw Henry omeara and Clark on ball is pretty light on for working on the inside. We should have them there. The interesting part will be outside the contest.
Wings have been Henry Clark Frederick and Johnson which is pretty inexperienced. We should be able to work the wings in space with Cotterell going to Henry as the defensive side and acres should be able to blow them apart on the other working both ways.
Ryan Cox young and pierce in the backline should hurt our two keys in the air if we move with pace and lower our eyes like we’ve been doing. The tough part will be at ground level as Ryan and young play the in between roles very well. I’d expect pierce to try take Harry up the ground and will fail. While Cox will struggle v Curnow. Either way it ends up they should have their way from 50-80 metres out kicking to one or the other going back.
At ground level I think Owies should do well as will Fogarty with his pressure. We need this and we need the ball staying inside 50 for our inside mods to get every chance to get it out for snaps at goal to cunners fog and Martin. There backline will definitely struggle if we get out early.
Carlton by 28 points.
Weitering to Jackson/Darcy will be great for his ability to get off and help and intercept.
Kemp or McGovern matchup on amiss is a tough one. He only had Ryan Gardner last week and he tore him up for periods. Kemp and mcgovern both will be giving up cms.
They also have treaty who is basically irrelevant. If it’s wet as expected we should get the perfect matchup with whom ever misses out on amiss.
Switkowski and Shultz have torn us apart previously. swit generally plays arc to arc and pushes up to the stoppage. So it has to be Docherty or Cincotta in my opinion. Shultz will get saad.
Seeing Brayshaw Henry omeara and Clark on ball is pretty light on for working on the inside. We should have them there. The interesting part will be outside the contest.
Wings have been Henry Clark Frederick and Johnson which is pretty inexperienced. We should be able to work the wings in space with Cotterell going to Henry as the defensive side and acres should be able to blow them apart on the other working both ways.
Ryan Cox young and pierce in the backline should hurt our two keys in the air if we move with pace and lower our eyes like we’ve been doing. The tough part will be at ground level as Ryan and young play the in between roles very well. I’d expect pierce to try take Harry up the ground and will fail. While Cox will struggle v Curnow. Either way it ends up they should have their way from 50-80 metres out kicking to one or the other going back.
At ground level I think Owies should do well as will Fogarty with his pressure. We need this and we need the ball staying inside 50 for our inside mods to get every chance to get it out for snaps at goal to cunners fog and Martin. There backline will definitely struggle if we get out early.
Carlton by 28 points.
But Fogarty has greater endurance and reads the outside play better. Hewett better inside but we have too many.
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