Preview 2023 Rd 6 Carlton vs St Kilda Sunday April 23 3:20PM @ Marvel Stadium

[Aphrodite]

Team is in ...





IN: Cincotta, McGovern

OUT: Saad (hamstring), De Koning (managed), Plowman

NEW: Cincotta (debut)


After starting last weekend as substitute, Josh Honey has been elevated into the 22.

AFL team news: McGovern back down back

Mitch McGovern's return marks one of three changes for Carlton.

www.carltonfc.com.au

Round 6 Team v St Kilda
Backs:	Jacob Weitering	Nic Newman	Lewis Young
Half-backs:	Alex Cincotta (DEBUT)	Mitch McGovern	Blake Acres
Centreline:	Sam Walsh	Patrick Cripps	Ollie Hollands
Half-forwards:	Zac Fisher	Harry McKay	Jack Silvagni
Forwards:	Corey Durdin	Charlie Curnow	Jesse Motlop
Followers:	Marc Pittonet	George Hewett	Adam Cerra
Interchange:	Lachie Cowan	Ed Curnow	Josh Honey
	Matthew Kennedy
Emergencies:	Tom De Koning	Brodie Kemp	Lochie O'Brien
	Lachie Plowman

 

[bmaurizio]

A quality AFL footy 2 M + Ruckman , must have a basic skill set to be successful, Good IQ & mobility and able to kick the ball and distribute ball well, as in most positions, anything less is just a temporary solution & part time fill gap measure.
We’ve been in need of a quality AFL Ruckman for quite a few years.

 

[Korn]

We'll win.
St Kilda had an easy fixture so far this season. They've won easy games.

 

[Ald Gardiner]

gov is a huge inclusion this week. such an important player... if only it wasn't for his continual soft tissue issues.

he is versatile too. if ever required can play up front as well....type of player that could turn a match by bopping up for a few quick goals.

Yeah agree, but won’t be comfortable unless Kemp is sub and waiting in the dug out ready to replace him - even during the warm up these days!

 

[Ald Gardiner]

He bumped someone once so now he's out for blood..

I bet Jamie Elliott can’t wait to play on him again..

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

 

[Accidental genius]

You seem to have posted numerous times about him being dropped. It's like it's important you you for some reason.

after my initial post ive mostly been responding to others that have responded to my initial post....i just dont get why club sometimes uses the phrase managed and other times they are more specific.

as for reasons...its a footy forum and we are talking about footy related stuff. i mean how important can anything be on here for the majority of us?

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Plowman could come in at last minute to take on Membrey.

Is that what you want to happen? If not, it seems like a superfluous post. You wouldn't be doing that would you agro? I wouldn't think so.

Tell me about Plowman's assets that you think might work well against Membrey.

 

[windows1]

Many different ways to approach it tactically

But let's get the real underlying focal point here, rather than the constant dancing

It seems the real focal point on the subject, is our supporters wanting to hold the club to an unrealistic higher standard of transparency, one that rarely exists throughout the competition

What is the importance of listing a player omission as the flu or a corky, rather than managed?

I don’t have the same expectations as other clubs because our injury performance is a lot worse over time than most other clubs. So other club comparisons will never wash with me until our injury perfomance normalises to other clubs.

Each individual report doesn’t mean a lot in and of itself. But rather a reflection of thin slicing that shows their mode and attitude. And they may think “we just do what other clubs do” and that to you and that to them is acceptable.

When they perform well with injuries I’ll give them that pass. As a very long term significant paying member until they do I expect more.

In this particular case I would like to know what is wrong with him. If it is flu then it means “nothing”. But if he has some kind of injury that is being managed then he adds to the list of injured players. So I would like to know.

 

[Arr0w]

I don’t have the same expectations as other clubs because our injury performance is a lot worse over time than most other clubs. So other club comparisons will never wash with me until our injury perfomance normalises to other clubs.

Each individual report doesn’t mean a lot in and of itself. But rather a reflection of thin slicing that shows their mode and attitude. And they may think “we just do what other clubs do” and that to you and that to them is acceptable.

When they perform well with injuries I’ll give them that pass. As a very long term significant paying member until they do I expect more.

In this particular case I would like to know what is wrong with him. If it is flu then it means “nothing”. But if he has some kind of injury that is being managed then he adds to the list of injured players. So I would like to know.

Glad we got to the real reason

Whether it's flu or a slight injury like a corky, managed is more than adequate, IMHO

But, perhaps this topic is for the Blue Healer thread

 

[tarczonandjane]

When you look at that St Kilda list, you can see why Ross has done ok with it. It is quite an experienced list overall, and therefore provides the hard bodies for his style of football.

I still think we will win.

 

[morningbrown]

We'll win.
St Kilda had an easy fixture so far this season. They've won easy games.

I'd argue we've had an equally easy fixture, but have looked very average even in our wins. Saints are the in form team of the comp besides the Crows, don't take em lightly.

 

[Accidental genius]

in case some have missed it...cincotta is very good on left and right.....so much so that i dont know which is his natural side. pretty impressive.

 

[Chookaradley]

in case some have missed it...cincotta is very good on left and right.....so much so that i dont know which is his natural side. pretty impressive.

Interesting. What's he like for leg speed?

 

[Robertio]

Interesting. What's he like for leg speed?

Naked eye says he's as quick as most running half backs but not Saad like quick.

 

[Accidental genius]

Interesting. What's he like for leg speed?

wouldn't say he is a speedster but he goes alright....as someone else referred to in an earlier post...if you watch him with a squinted eye you could mistake him for Heath Scotland

here is a short highlight reel based on 2023 games...

Highlights | Cincotta's blistering start to 2023

Watch the best of Alex Cincotta in the opening rounds of the 2023 VFL season ahead of his Carlton debut.

www.carltonfc.com.au

 

[Arr0w]

Interesting. What's he like for leg speed?

2.97, 20 metre sprint

 

[Accidental genius]

2.97, 20 metre sprint

have you got this data for some other players to put cincottas speed into context?


i found the following on a quick search...gov is surprisingly quick but these are top speeds and not burst speed

Top five fastest players in 2021

Adam Saad 35.75km/h
Mitch McGovern 34.70
Jack Martin 34.22
David Cuningham 33.98
Josh Honey 33.84

 

[Arr0w]

have you got this data for some other players to put cincottas speed into context?


i found the following on a quick search...gov is surprisingly quick but these are top speeds and not burst speed

Top five fastest players in 2021

Adam Saad 35.75km/h
Mitch McGovern 34.70
Jack Martin 34.22
David Cuningham 33.98
Josh Honey 33.84

Saad 2.81, Honey 2.97

Cincotta's speed would put him in the top 15 of any draft year

 

[HarryFlashman]

Interesting. What's he like for leg speed?

Moves fast & carry’s momentum- is quicker than most (not lightning) but is powerful so can bust thru/take a bump and keep going

 

[TheReal99prelim]

People wanted a statement at selection. They got it.

Yes, it was a huge statement. In fact it was a paragraph...on the club website

 

[TheReal99prelim]

Honey's only problem is he can't find the ball as a forward. He is quick, he can tackle and he can dispose of the ball.

After all of this time, I'd like to see him trained up as a rebounding defender. The ball comes to you as a defender and the opportunities are plentiful.

Given that he's had a few opportunities in that area, and given that it is the area the club have invested their time with him the most, me thinks it's a pretty significant "only problem"

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Given that he's had a few opportunities in that area, and given that it is the area the club have invested their time with him the most, me thinks it's a pretty significant "only problem"

I agree. Thus he is a bust unless he plays in a position where the ball finds him. His best hope is as a rebounding defender IMO.

 

[TheReal99prelim]

I wanted to see one of the inside mids dropped. They were the issue last week.

Difficult to drop an inside mid...you know with "he who shall not be named" being the only real like4like replacement and all...

Although these days, they could've rationalised dropping Hewett (as an example) and bringing in Lemmey

 

[TheReal99prelim]

Strange that those who demand that Dow be guaranteed a run of 4 games to show his wares lose their mind when Honey isn't turfed at the first opportunity.

Maybe you can explain how Honey was playing in the 2s to warrant a call up in the first place?

 

[TheReal99prelim]

10 news reporting that Vossy not at training today due to a personal reason. Expected to he coaching on Sunday.

Honey and LOBs mobile phones have both been stolen