List Mgmt. 2023 Trade Thread - Part I

[George]

 

[Dr Spaceman]

I know we currently have no list spots vacant, but I wonder if the club & recruiters are quietly looking at a player for the MSD. I just located a 2020 article where players who are out for a month could be placed on the LTI. I dont know if that is still in play as it was changed during Covid or what happens when they return? Surely Hayes, Coffield or Jones would qualify if they arent already on the list.

AFL tweaks long-term injury list eligibilty to give clubs greater flexibility

Players will miss a minimum of six rounds, not six weeks once placed on long-term injury list

www.afl.com.au

That seemed to relate to the old system where you could elevate a rookie player and he could play seniors. Once the senior list player 'recovered' the rookie would return to the rookie list.

I don't think it helps with the mid season draft because anyone selected can't simply go back to their old club a few weeks later. I think we would need to rule someone out for the rest of the year to be able to participate (and then you would sort out the list numbers at season's end).

 

[SaintSteele9]

not sure it was mentioned, but on Gettable they talked about Gresh is currently on around $800k p.a. at the moment which was largely due to the club not having others to pay at the time the contract was done (i.e. TPP has to be used to a minimum level).

So the questions are is he still worth $800k a year? If not to us, would he take a haircut or alternatively do you let him walk and use that money to bring in someone that will fulfill a bigger need and perhaps let Gresh fulfill his role better elsewhere?

Hopefully we’re taking the “we’ve been pretty good to you, now help us out a little bit” angle with him

 

[ScrappyDo]

not sure it was mentioned, but on Gettable they talked about Gresh is currently on around $800k p.a. at the moment which was largely due to the club not having others to pay at the time the contract was done (i.e. TPP has to be used to a minimum level).

So the questions are is he still worth $800k a year? If not to us, would he take a haircut or alternatively do you let him walk and use that money to bring in someone that will fulfill a bigger need and perhaps let Gresh fulfill his role better elsewhere?

He's in for a substantial hair cut. 600k max IMHO, he's not stamped himself enough for any more and we need the cash reserves for proper elite players.

 

[Tommy Wigs]

He's in for a substantial hair cut. 600k max IMHO, he's not stamped himself enough for any more and we need the cash reserves for proper elite players.

Yep, even 600k is overs i guess

 

[gringo2011]

Yep, even 600k is overs i guess

I think that would be about right IMO. He's not earned his money due to injury but hopefully he will look after us because he's struggled to get on the park all through his last contract.

 

[bird_man]

not sure it was mentioned, but on Gettable they talked about Gresh is currently on around $800k p.a. at the moment which was largely due to the club not having others to pay at the time the contract was done (i.e. TPP has to be used to a minimum level).

So the questions are is he still worth $800k a year? If not to us, would he take a haircut or alternatively do you let him walk and use that money to bring in someone that will fulfill a bigger need and perhaps let Gresh fulfill his role better elsewhere?

He’s have to take a haircut wherever he goes you’d imagine

 

[PandaG]

We should be picking at the bones of a club imploding
LDU from North should be a must get being he is exactly what we need
They r a basket case

Out of contract 2025
Best mates Hunter clark

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[Bertha]

He’s have to take a haircut wherever he goes you’d imagine

I'd love to know what's left in the war chest because even at $600k, with his current output, I feel like he's taking the spot of a potential elite in. For whatever contract comes his way (us or someone else) he'd want to have a big second half of the year, Mark Viduka style

 

[PandaG]

I'd love to know what's left in the war chest because even at $600k, with his current output, I feel like he's taking the spot of a potential elite in. For whatever contract comes his way (us or someone else) he'd want to have a big second half of the year, Mark Viduka style

I can’t see a world where Gresham stays
We have butler and Higgins, Gresham really needs to be a Ben king or Luke D Uniak, too small to play mid and overpriced as a fwd pocket

 

[gringo2011]

I'd love to know what's left in the war chest because even at $600k, with his current output, I feel like he's taking the spot of a potential elite in. For whatever contract comes his way (us or someone else) he'd want to have a big second half of the year, Mark Viduka style

When are we getting these elites in? You need to pay Hill $900k, JDG turned us down at $1 million a year for 5 years or something. If Gresham signs on at $600k we'd be stupid not to sign him up, he still has elite potential at his age and let's face it, stars aren't lining up to come.

 

[TheNewEnsign]

Haven't really kept up with this thread, apologies if it has been covered but what would Billings' value be for a trade?

Not getting selected but has a lot of value to the right side. Has a very good tank and a good kick but we have the tank part covered by Sincs, Wood, Hill and Byrnes, first three are fairly similar age wise to Billings.

If our main talls are set as King, Hammer and Membrey for a year or two we will need a spot on the HFF free to get game time into Owens, Pou and Windy (I know that's not going to be their long term position, but for game time all three will end up doing stints there).

I just wonder where Billings fits in now since HFF / Wing rotation is completely covered at present.

 

[Bertha]

Hill would already be factored in, so I don't understand that reference, JDG resigned with his existing club, it was hardly like he chose to move but not move to St Kilda. It's a different regime and I think more desirable than it has been for a while, if there are available elote FA's why wouldn't they want to come? If freeing up $800k for a player that hasn't had that much impact then that would sound like a reasonable strategy, not to mention the game when he wasn't gifted the goal and acted like someone shat in his mouth hasn't indeared me to him either.

 

[hayes]

Haven't really kept up with this thread, apologies if it has been covered but what would Billings' value be for a trade?

Not getting selected but has a lot of value to the right side. Has a very good tank and a good kick but we have the tank part covered by Sincs, Wood, Hill and Byrnes, first three are fairly similar age wise to Billings.

If our main talls are set as King, Hammer and Membrey for a year or two we will need a spot on the HFF free to get game time into Owens, Pou and Windy (I know that's not going to be their long term position, but for game time all three will end up doing stints there).

I just wonder where Billings fits in now since HFF / Wing rotation is completely covered at present.

He obviously doesn’t fit. He can’t even get a look in on an 8 man bench so I doubt we’d get anything even half decent for him in a trade.

 

[dudeintheswamp]

If Billings can stay fit and keep building match fitness for a few weeks in the VFL, his time will come in my opinion. Whether through injury, or as a changeup required due to form, he'll come in to the team at some point. I think he can still be a valuable player for us if he can get/stay fit. He's endured a pretty bad run with injury for a while now, so I understand it becomes a bit harder to remember his good traits, but really the last time he had a fairly uninterrupted run at it he was looking really good. Problem of course is that now all of a sudden that's a few years ago.


Can he stay on the park and perform consistently/to a high level? The next month or so should tell us quite a bit.

 

[Mowman]

If Billings can stay fit and keep building match fitness for a few weeks in the VFL, his time will come in my opinion. Whether through injury, or as a changeup required due to form, he'll come in to the team at some point. I think he can still be a valuable player for us if he can get/stay fit. He's endured a pretty bad run with injury for a while now, so I understand it becomes a bit harder to remember his good traits, but really the last time he had a fairly uninterrupted run at it he was looking really good. Problem of course is that now all of a sudden that's a few years ago.


Can he stay on the park and perform consistently/to a high level? The next month or so should tell us quite a bit.

Don’t think he can think we have moved past him imo

 

[botts]

We should be picking at the bones of a club imploding
LDU from North should be a must get being he is exactly what we need
They r a basket case

Out of contract 2025
Best mates Hunter clark

On a long term contract unfortunately

 

[gringo2011]

Haven't really kept up with this thread, apologies if it has been covered but what would Billings' value be for a trade?

Not getting selected but has a lot of value to the right side. Has a very good tank and a good kick but we have the tank part covered by Sincs, Wood, Hill and Byrnes, first three are fairly similar age wise to Billings.

If our main talls are set as King, Hammer and Membrey for a year or two we will need a spot on the HFF free to get game time into Owens, Pou and Windy (I know that's not going to be their long term position, but for game time all three will end up doing stints there).

I just wonder where Billings fits in now since HFF / Wing rotation is completely covered at present.

Off a couple of injured years and not getting a game. I reckon a pick at the start of the third round if we're lucky. What did Freo pay for Aish, add a loading for not playing for ages and extra age and that's probably his value. We almost just have to have him in the VFL developing players and hope he comes good. He was on a much cheaper contract which helps.

 

[gringo2011]

Don’t think he can think we have moved past him imo

It looked like Coops was out the door so you never know. If he stays fit he adds to the pool of players that can walk in and perform. I think if he can stay fit and get a run he might endear himself to Lyon. He does use the ball well. The Mongrel Punt reckons we can't carry two guys who avoid physical contact and would need Hill to go out to put him in which might explain the snub.

He was bagging Hill saying that at the start of the year he was going in with his body and that that's dropped off in the last few weeks which is probably true. Hill was smashing in early on in the year.

 

[TheOsprey]

Three years is a hellova contract for him. Obviously would be at the lower end of the scale but I bet he couldn't sign it quick enough.

Good on him.

Any idea what kind of money would he be on?

It’d be a fair bit more than a rookie contract.

$250k? More?

Pretty amazing ride for him from looking at working 2 jobs and playing VFL.

Kudos to him for working 2 jobs and keeping his fitness at elite enough levels that he can walk into a Ross Lyon AFL team after only half a preseason with the club.

Must be incredibly disciplined.

 

[TheOsprey]

not sure it was mentioned, but on Gettable they talked about Gresh is currently on around $800k p.a. at the moment which was largely due to the club not having others to pay at the time the contract was done (i.e. TPP has to be used to a minimum level).

So the questions are is he still worth $800k a year? If not to us, would he take a haircut or alternatively do you let him walk and use that money to bring in someone that will fulfill a bigger need and perhaps let Gresh fulfill his role better elsewhere?

This is where the trading of salary cap for picks idea would have suited us.

We’ve overpaid players for years to meet minimum cap payments as we drafted and developed poorly.

Imagine we could have had another first round pick or two instead of paying inflated wages. Could have massively helped the rebuild (although history shows we prob would have burned it anyway).

If Gresh is on that much then hopefully he takes less for the greater good of the team or if he can get that elsewhere and wants to leave then good luck to him I guess.

 

[The Boar]

Would be very happy to see the back of Gresham if $800K is the price- he is not worth that.

$500-600K is fair for what we get out of Gresh between injuries and form.

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[BrutThough]

Any idea what kind of money would he be on?

It’d be a fair bit more than a rookie contract.

$250k? More?

Pretty amazing ride for him from looking at working 2 jobs and playing VFL.

Kudos to him for working 2 jobs and keeping his fitness at elite enough levels that he can walk into a Ross Lyon AFL team after only half a preseason with the club.

Must be incredibly disciplined.

Wouldn't be more than 250k. Probably less than that plus match payments and a bunch of triggers.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

This is where the trading of salary cap for picks idea would have suited us.

We’ve overpaid players for years as we drafted and developed poorly.

Imagine we could have had another first round pick or two instead of paying inflated wages. Could have massively helped the rebuild (although history shows we prob would have burned it anyway).

If Gresh is on that much then hopefully he takes less for the greater good of the team or if he can get that elsewhere and wants to leave then good luck to him I guess.

I really don't mind that idea.
Essentially its what GC did with Jack Bowes under the current rules.
Trade Spud player and cap money in exchange for pick.
They both may have been equally happy to do it without the player.

The minimum shouldn't be there.
The salary "cap" reflects the wages of the players. The minimum forces clubs to pay players more than they are worth.

I'm also not against COL allowance, as long as its applied to each player AFTER the cap and not part of a general slush fund.

So you have every player at Sydney ( for example ) earning for example $10 000 extra ( not a percentage ).
As opposed to having 40 players getting ordinary money and Buddy getting $400 000 extra.
It would need to be applied to ALL teams using some sort of KPI. ( probably start with Tassie as the base line ).

 

[Yawkey way]

Don’t think he can think we have moved past him imo

He’s missed a lot of football and looks miles off it. At vfl level he’s just cruising around and sat out the last quarter in his first game back. I think he’s probably another month away from pressing his claims, it will be interesting if and when he starts getting 40 possessions at sandy.

 

[Yawkey way]

Wouldn't be more than 250k. Probably less than that plus match payments and a bunch of triggers.

I think he’d be on a fair bit more than that, anyway someone with have the gossip but I’ll go with 350k minimum.