List Mgmt. 2023 Trade Thread - Part II

[Moral Decay]

I think we're getting to the point of not seeing the wood for the trees.

I think the things we need to concentrate on are.

1) Injuries, and injury maintenance.

2) We are 17th return for efficiency into the forward 50 at 45.3% per game, Nth 18th at 44.1

3) We are 17th for clearances at 33.8 per game, Bombers 18th at 33.7 per game.

4) We are 17th for centre clearances at 11 per game, Eagles 18th at 10.6 per game.

5) We are 15th for marks inside forward 50 with 11 per game.

These to me are the problems that are obvious. It really doesn't matter how good we think individually our mids are, or how we justify their performances, we are crap in the middle, we have crap delivery into the forwards, no matter how good our forwards' potential is we need something better. Yes that may be about injuries and yes we will get better.

6) The only players that have trade potential are mid-career and best 22, the better they are the better the return for them. That may mean that the best return will hurt the most. I don't think it will happen but if the right deal comes or Steele I'm bracing myself to lose him. The reality of losing Dougal or Battle as excess, I can live with. Losing Clark and Gresh as key integral parts of the second worst or worst midfield in the competition ICGAF.

7) Ross has said that this year is about having a good look at what the list can do, if he is going to cut hard this off season is his first and best chance of doing so.

8) Finishing 7th and in the finals is amazing, if we don't make changes it would be a miracle to make finals again in 2024.

Ideally we would have mids that are powerfull, fast, skillful and make good decisions
We can work with mids that are powerfull but slow and make good decisions
We can work with mids that are fast and skillful and make good decisions but are soft.
We cannot work with mids that are soft, slow, have crap skills and make poor decisions, which is what we have.

 

[botts]

If we got pick 12 and 13, would you prefer to use pick 12 on the draft and 13 on Henry and a pick back or 12 and 13 for the Suns pick 4 and something back, maybe one of their mids that aren't getting a load of game time?

We arnt using a first rounder on Henry

 

[Bertha]

We arnt using a first rounder on Henry

I'm not saying we should but that's what the chatter has been around, so I'm just interested in which way people would go

 

[Joffaboy]

GOAT with the head. Legend

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[gringo2011]

I think we're getting to the point of not seeing the wood for the trees.

I think the things we need to concentrate on are.

1) Injuries, and injury maintenance.

2) We are 17th return for efficiency into the forward 50 at 45.3% per game, Nth 18th at 44.1

3) We are 17th for clearances at 33.8 per game, Bombers 18th at 33.7 per game.

4) We are 17th for centre clearances at 11 per game, Eagles 18th at 10.6 per game.

5) We are 15th for marks inside forward 50 with 11 per game.

These to me are the problems that are obvious. It really doesn't matter how good we think individually our mids are, or how we justify their performances, we are crap in the middle, we have crap delivery into the forwards, no matter how good our forwards' potential is we need something better. Yes that may be about injuries and yes we will get better.

6) The only players that have trade potential are mid-career and best 22, the better they are the better the return for them. That may mean that the best return will hurt the most. I don't think it will happen but if the right deal comes or Steele I'm bracing myself to lose him. The reality of losing Dougal or Battle as excess, I can live with. Losing Clark and Gresh as key integral parts of the second worst or worst midfield in the competition ICGAF.

7) Ross has said that this year is about having a good look at what the list can do, if he is going to cut hard this off season is his first and best chance of doing so.

8) Finishing 7th and in the finals is amazing, if we don't make changes it would be a miracle to make finals again in 2024.

Ideally we would have mids that are powerfull, fast, skillful and make good decisions
We can work with mids that are powerfull but slow and make good decisions
We can work with mids that are fast and skillful and make good decisions but are soft.
We cannot work with mids that are soft, slow, have crap skills and make poor decisions, which is what we have.

I agree with you list of weaknesses but not sure we get better culling more mids. The forward line should improve with a full season from King and more games pumped into the forwards to get some cohesion.

Trade in mids and draft some more. We need about 7 to 8 proper mids to have depth in the seniors and VFL.

I don't think Lyon likes stodgy slow mids, he wants athletic runners that defend and spread to provide options. He'd rather lose clearance and have the ability to full court press.

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

I'm not saying we should but that's what the chatter has been around, so I'm just interested in which way people would go

Thats just media simpletons looking at what we’ve got pick wise & who we’ve got coming in.

I’ve got a feeling they’ll be picks & players thrown around everywhere in a few weeks’ time.


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[Veer Right]

The best teams have such good pace around the ground watching these finals games. Makes me more confident acquiring Henry and Dow is a good move for their pace and their age profile.

 

[gringo2011]

The best teams have such good pace around the ground watching these finals games. Makes me more confident acquiring Henry and Dow is a good move for their pace and their age profile.

They both look like Lyon specials.

 

[Max the great]

If we got pick 12 and 13, would you prefer to use pick 12 on the draft and 13 on Henry and a pick back or 12 and 13 for the Suns pick 4 and something back, maybe one of their mids that aren't getting a load of game time?

If we get pick 13 and trade it for Henry I will be filthy. No way is he worth that.

 

[George]

I can't keep up with all these incredible moves

Jonas
Shiel
Wines
Goldstein
Dow

Anymore studs?

 

[stavro#4]

The best teams have such good pace around the ground watching these finals games. Makes me more confident acquiring Henry and Dow is a good move for their pace and their age profile.

All I keep noticing is how damaging players with the ability to kick 50-60 meters is.

Daniher and McKenna that quarter.

Coleman too.

Saad Cerra Docherty all for the enemy.

The ability to kick over zones is priceless. Especially when transitioning on turnover

 

[Dard Ball Get]

I can't keep up

 

[George]

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Good one poopy pants

 

[Dard Ball Get]

Watching McKenna I’m excited to see our Irish fella at some point.
They see and play the game in such an exciting, attacking way.

 

[Premium]

All I keep noticing is how damaging players with the ability to kick 50-60 meters is.

Daniher and McKenna that quarter.

Coleman too.

Saad Cerra Docherty all for the enemy.

The ability to kick over zones is priceless. Especially when transitioning on turnover

That's why Nas and Phillipou will be special to watch as the develop.

 

[Dr Spaceman]

The ability to kick over zones is priceless.

Gresham struggles to kick over cones.

 

[StCicatriz]

Gresham struggles to kick over cones.

And Willie rioli does them

 

[Moral Decay]

I agree with you list of weaknesses but not sure we get better culling more mids. The forward line should improve with a full season from King and more games pumped into the forwards to get some cohesion.

Trade in mids and draft some more. We need about 7 to 8 proper mids to have depth in the seniors and VFL.

I don't think Lyon likes stodgy slow mids, he wants athletic runners that defend and spread to provide options. He'd rather lose clearance and have the ability to full court press.

The problem is of course how to facillitate change, we have few excess players in any position and few that other clubs will pay for, if we want players in we have to trade some out.

If other clubs want the obvious suspects, we would be negligent not taking the chance. Steele and Crouch are our two best mids, if we get Dow then Clark and Gresh fall even further down the pecking order. If Jones/Ross was fit we're talking about the 5th and 6th choice mids. Any improvement in Windhager, Mitch and Pou, we start talking about losing our 9th or 10th choice mids in the worst midfield in the competition.

It's a no brainer. We wait another season Clark and Gresh run a big chance of being VFL players with no trade value at all.

Ross, Harves, Lenny and Boris have carved a game plan that takes advantage of our strengths, foot speed, gut running, two way running, uncontested marking as we run the ground and whatever contested marking our forwards can manage. With creativity off half back, we depend on Marshall, Sinclair, Wood, Hill and NWM to create chances for our forwards. We play the way we do because it's our best chance of winning with the talent we have. It's great when it works but it's fragile and one dimensional and we were crushed by teams with good mids.

If we want to get better we have to make changes. Dow and Henry are just a nice start.

We're supporters, we support with passion but I can't help wonder whether we are supporters of St.Kilda F.C. or we are so denuded of success we become supporters of individual players. If we were looking at any other club with our problems, ie the worst midfield in the comp. Worse than the Eagles or Nth and and they could see us wringing our hands over losing our 5th and 6th best mids, we'd laugh at them for their delusions.

Clark and Gresh won't get better, our best choice is to take the opportunity, the chance on other players. We're already the worst midfield, our game plan is the way it is because our mids are the worst. Without a better midfield we are a one trick pony, we have to start somewhere and hiding under the doona because there's too much light out there and our dreams are so nice won't make anything better.

 

[Remboy]

Depends on if it's raining or not, you never know

Wouldn’t be possible to rain enough. But if your neighbour starts building an ark let me know.

 

[Saintos The ITK]

51 pages since Wednesday. FMD. Any news?

Nil

 

[Parkysp]

St Kilda are simply not going to land an A Grade Free Agent. Guns/A Graders will choose, if they, move another club. That is what history shows.

FA's that we can get in are Crouch and below types. The only way that may change is if we have already become a very good team. So a gun FA is never going to help us become a good team.

If we have a plan reliant on bringing in A Grade FA Talent in order to become a contender it will be doomed to failure.

I agree with this as that is what history says. A free agent plays it safe and wants to join the back of the pack and then once settled in become the alpha if needed. Good money and "not my fault" if it doesn't pan out.

It's just too hard to sell that you'll be the leader up to the top of the wave that will drag the players behind you with them.

We have to continue building the wave so that players look at Mitch, Nas, Max, Pou, Windy and think yeah that's a bunch I'd like to be in.
Finn Callaghan is a local bayside gun that I'd be looking at being our Lachie Neale...though not waiting for free agency for that.

 

[botts]

Wonder how long till Dow nominated us

 

[Coconut_twirl]

Can someone explain to me why St.Kilda is interested in Shiel at his age? I thought that was another joke rumour from BigFooty, but it looks like it has been reported and talked about. Is it a salary dump?

 

[Saintos The ITK]

Can someone explain to me why St.Kilda is interested in Shiel at his age? I thought that was another joke rumour from BigFooty, but it looks like it has been reported and talked about. Is it a salary dump?

 

[Joffaboy]

Can someone explain to me why St.Kilda is interested in Shiel at his age? I thought that was another joke rumour from BigFooty, but it looks like it has been reported and talked about. Is it a salary dump?

Are you Fair Dinkum asking that question? It has been answered 50 times on this thread.

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