2024 Draft Thread.

[Mat Mann]

Draft Period, November 20–21

• Round 1 of the National Draft: Wednesday, November 20
• Round 2–end of the National Draft: Thursday, November 21
• Rookie Promotions: Thursday, November 21, after the National Draft
• Delisted Free Agency Period (3): Thursday, November 21, after the National Draft
• List Lodgement 3*: Friday, November 22, 10am (optional; required for those participating in the PSD)
• Pre-Season Draft: Friday, November 22, 3pm
• Rookie Draft: Friday, November 22, 3.20pm

 

[saintmike65]

Another thing to get excited about if not already mentioned

Alix Tauru is the 2nd youngest kid to have been taken on Night 1

Tobie Travaglia is the 3rd youngest kid to have been taken on Night 1

1st was Levi Ashcroft

And both have improved enormously the past 12 months

 

[gringo2011]

I reckon their hairstyles are the definition of their playing styles. Trav is all business and Tauru the rockstar. Alix Tauru even sounds like a 70s Italodisco star.

 

[dudeintheswamp]

Thankfully the Saints didn't make him wear a Viking hat last night.

 

[saintmike65]

Richmond loaded up on talls.
Dogs are stacked with talls.

West coast could go tall or go Boxshall.


FWIW.

I think Richmond take Dodson
Eagles take Shanahan/Whitlock
Dogs take Moreas & Gross

So it’s Boxshall or Ough for us

Gerreyn, Sims, Alger, Day-Wicks also consideration

 

[BucketsandBanger]

You Joffa and others are seriously missing the point.

If you want to focus on what Cal said. He said that if he doesn’t make the transition he will be a 200 game half back flank.

He said I don’t know why the saints fans are upset. Tauru COULD be anything and play in all 3 areas of the ground.

What people wanted. Expected. Hoped for.

Was that with 2 top 10 picks a full hand of futures and knowing we have a plethora of cap space next year. That we would trade up and land a blue chip midfield talent if one wouldn’t land at our pick.

Thats arguably the missing piece after the Tauru selection giving us a blue chip tall that can swing both ends of the ground and is an elite intercept player.

If your only gripe is that we didn't trade up then yes that is different, plenty of people melting on here about the actual selection itself. What was actually in the clubs control though? You can be mad at the late season wins (players and coaches are always going to try and win no matter what) or that we didn't offer enough for a trade. Carlton have given up a hell of a lot (to get a player they don't need IMO by the way, they clearly targeted O'Sullivan).

Nths future first only got them the last pick in the 1st round for god sake, that is proof that no one wanted to trade out of this draft into next which we would have needed for any trade scenario. We clearly offered a future first and one of 7 or 8 to Nth West Coast etc, they didn't bite. Personally I don't think we are in the position to be able to give up the amount of picks it would have taken to trade up (3 for 1 or 2 top 10 picks for 1) . We still need talent everywhere, we are not 1 player away, especially in a draft without a clear bankable Daicos/Reid etc.

 

[saintmike65]

Thankfully the Saints didn't make him wear a Viking hat last night.

That’s for the supporters to wear..

 

[BigMonty]

Travaglia Pros
Like Pou young in Draft Year. Could grow another 3-5 cm.
Pou was skinny/rangy played hff now filled out showed glimpses of elite talent is now ready year 3 to go bang in the midfield.

He looks quicker them Pou and seems to break lines, so natural place to start is HBF Solid mark but less mercurial than Pou.

He looks also like a Wilson prototype run all day linking HBF whereas Darcy is a Wing forward. Could Trav turn into a Hok Weddle has all the hallmarks...time will tell.

Oh remember the year previous he beat Reid for the BF maybe Reid played less due to other commitments...however puts Trav ability in perspective.

The Viking. If you look at our best 22, 20 players almost pick themselves for round 1. So you can't play best 25 so you need to swing at a potentially outstanding player rather than GOF predictability. That's Tauru.
He is young raw and could grow a bit as well. If we hope for a Rooey and finish with a Kozi, who can complain.
He will play later this year once he gets to understand systems and game plans, reckon he could play anywhere.
There is a hole at CHB, which he may develop into being another outstanding rebound defender.

With all the run and link out of the backline and what we showed in the back end of the year could be an interesting year.

Also we lost at least 5 clearances a week from not having Crouch cannot underestimate his loss in first 12 weeks....when we started getting troops back surprise we started winning again.

Hope McLobster is the answer but he is a few years older than his peak and was not in Dogs best midfield is the worry, so I do not expect him to be the Crouch like for like replacement. A year development in Windy and Pou can hopefully plug that gap.

Bring on 2025 will be an interesting watch

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[bergholt]

Nths future first only got them the last pick in the 1st round for god sake, that is proof that no one wanted to trade out of this draft into next which we would have needed for any trade scenario.

Yeah that’s a fair point imo. Clearly the value of future picks was pretty low.

 

[Joffaboy]

I have really only concentrated on our first picks so who do we target with our picks before NGA's and FA?


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[Enclosed_Animal]

What would it cost to get another pick in this range? Is it a f2 and f3 maybe

Look at it this way, a few weeks back we added our F1 to pick 8 and could not get a seat at the table for pick 3.

9 cost a F1 AND 28, 40, 46, 54, 65 this year

14 then cost a future 1 and future 2.

Move onto draft night, the cost to buy in only goes up.

North just used their F1 (a likely top 3 pick) to get pick 27 and some change

Our future 1 is the absolute minimum to buy in, and that will likely see us outbid by clubs like Essendon.

So to answer your question, the price to buy back into the next 10 picks or so is probably our F1 and F2 with some change back. And that change would likely be minimal. Is that really worth it?


*Sorry to be the bearer of bad news on that front. But if you want to see the reality of just how worthless (rightly or wrongly) future picks are this year, check out the North draft thread from page 90 onwards. Watching them go from thinking their F1 would get them pick 8 (Tauru) AND our F2, to realizing their F1 is only worth a pick in the mid-20s (and that they got absolutely fleeced on the Daniel trade) is all time reading! North (and their supporters) clearly just thought this was another regular draft. Mindboggling

 

[CaptainRisky]

Bit inside/ outside…has some forward craft also!

His back would have wanted to have been holding him back a lot then last year as i saw nothing in my limited vision of him to suggest he will make it , i guess we will see

 

[L_W_P]

Every time I see a reference to our best 3 players came from the rookie list, I don't think "well that must prove that the draft order doesn't equate to successful career", I think "No wonder we've been in bloody no man's land for over a decade!"

We couldn't do better than that at the last 10 drafts? What happened to all our other picks? GOPs and busts, the lot of them.

However, I am very skeptical about the "Draft talent not needs" maxim. All that gets you is an unbalanced list and trade capital, which isn't nothing, but it isn't ideal either.

I wanted us to address our needs with talented players in this draft and we haven't - yet.

Da Rymp is renowned for being able to spot the gold nuggets in the bottom of the draft, so I'll wait and see where we are this time tomorrow. Ough or Dodson please or that mysterious gun mid that no one but Da Rymp can see but will put the club on his shoulders and win us a couple of grannies.

That's exactly my point though.

McCartin, Billings, Dunstan, Acres, Clark, Coffield...

Just because the Tigers had a heap of picks doesn't mean they are destined to become a super team again.

 

[stavro#4]

If your only gripe is that we didn't trade up then yes that is different, plenty of people melting on here about the actual selection itself. What was actually in the clubs control though? You can be mad at the late season wins (players and coaches are always going to try and win no matter what) or that we didn't offer enough for a trade. Carlton have given up a hell of a lot (to get a player they don't need IMO by the way, they clearly targeted O'Sullivan).

Nths future first only got them the last pick in the 1st round for god sake, that is proof that no one wanted to trade out of this draft into next which we would have needed for any trade scenario. We clearly offered a future first and one of 7 or 8 to Nth West Coast etc, they didn't bite. Personally I don't think we are in the position to be able to give up the amount of picks it would have taken to trade up (3 for 1 or 2 top 10 picks for 1) . We still need talent everywhere, we are not 1 player away, especially in a draft without a clear bankable Daicos/Reid etc.

North is a poor example.

I’m proposing getting a club to slide down not trade out.

North brought into this draft. They didn’t get a club to trade down.

 

[Minga]

It makes it so much better.

In all its glory the worst trade in history

Lmao, that poor draftee gonna have the weight of the world on his shoulders now.

What an embarrassment

 

[BucketsandBanger]

North is a poor example.

I’m proposing getting a club to slide down not trade out.

North brought into this draft. They didn’t get a club to trade down.

So just to confirm your thinking is we didn't offer enough to Nth or West Coast? So we should have offered 7 and 8? or you think we didn't offer our future first?

 

[BarkerFan]

I don't think I am missing any point. I have been on the mid bandwagon for a decade and have repeatedly said that I was on the Reid bandwagon since the champs.

My point is that list profiles change quickly, we didn't have Pou, Wilson, Garcia, Macrae, Hall or Dow on the list 2 years ago. By the time Steele and Macrae retire we might have 6 more mids including trades and FA's.
I don't think it is ideal, but it is not doom and gloom. Right this second, our midfield profile is better than the one that was so competitive in the last two months we beat Sydney, swamped Geelong, made fools of Essendon and then almost broke Carltons heart.
Would have I liked 2 of the top 6 mids? Of course, and as I said, I am not a great wrap for Travaglia and preferred Reid ( not Allan though), however Travaglia is not a Coffield, and can go through the mids.

Tauru could be a real x factor player.

So I believe we have pure mids in the following
Steele
Macrae
Pou
Wilson
Garcia
Hall
Dow
Clark
Jones
Windhager

Others who go through the mids
Henry
Stocker
Sinclair.




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Carroll?

 

[stavro#4]

So just to confirm your thinking is we didn't offer enough to Nth or West Coast? So we should have offered 7 and 8? or you think we didn't offer our future first?

My thinking is that whatever we offered we didn’t get the job done.

 

[Leap of Faith]

Tauru and Travaglia both look like very solid picks - Tauru maybe more than solid.

But this post nails it. You have teams like Carlton and North stockpiling mids and Saints really have a couple of 30 year olds and a bunch of hope.

Can only think that the club is looking to try and raid the stockpiles at some point in future because even if Tauru is Riewoldt times two we are not in a top 4 window with our current midfield options.

This. Exactly.

 

[Yawkey way]

Another thing to get excited about if not already mentioned

Alix Tauru is the 2nd youngest kid to have been taken on Night 1

Tobie Travaglia is the 3rd youngest kid to have been taken on Night 1

1st was Levi Ashcroft

Exactly and yes it matters.

 

[beside the seaside]

In terms of midfield we need grunt. I think we've been adding a bit of class recently. It's a shame we didn't pick up a bull last night but there didn't seem to be one there. Reid will start as a forward.

We brought in Dalrymple to find gold, fingers crossed for tonight.

 

[_Maximus_12]

I don’t know what we offered WCE for pick 3 but with the hand we had it’s had to imagine how it wasn’t better than what Carlton stumped up.
Ultimately, SOS failed to read the state of play and was likely seduced by the fact that North Melbourne were trading pick 2.
By the time we realised they weren’t, we were left with no option but to stand pat.
Had we been more proactive, we would have had pick 3 instead of Carlton and the discussion about not drafting a genuine mid would be a moot point.

 

[Tommy Wigs]

Dimple likes the athletic line breaking type.

I would really love 2 early picks.

Shanahan/Dodson and Boxshall

I just can’t see Boxshall being a long termer with that kicking.

 

[L_W_P]

If the best available were all CHF’s would you draft four of them? I bet not. Where is the drafting to balance the list and address our biggest weakness.

For someone going by the name "Leap of Faith" you're extremely pessimistic.

This insane idea that players are being drafted as the final product needs to stop.

Travaglia's played midfield before but say he replaces Bonner in last year's team. That probably means Sinclair is back on ball. Or that Nas & Arie are gonna be pushed up the ground at times.

He could end up a Luke Hodge type that jumps in for 5 mins here and there to spark the team.

Tauru was clearly the best available. Every team before us was linked to him and most of the pre draft speculation was how teams might trade to get this kid.

Again, he could take some time to DEVELOP but I can absolutely see him getting games as a 3rd tall or maybe a winger ala Battle early day.

For all we know the club plans on playing Tauru as a 3rd tall forward so that Mitch Owens can train with the mids this off-season.

Sooking it up over Travaglia vs Reid/Lindsay is a waste of time & energy.

The call has been made, so let's work out how to use it to our advantage!

 

[Tommy Wigs]

Ha ha, fancy being a journo and asking two kids if they can turn around “one of the most dour” teams. FMD

 

[Tommy Wigs]

Travaglia very impressive in front of the media. I wanted leaders and he looks like he is going to be elite in that aspect.