2024 Draft Thread.

[Mat Mann]

Draft Period, November 20–21

• Round 1 of the National Draft: Wednesday, November 20
• Round 2–end of the National Draft: Thursday, November 21
• Rookie Promotions: Thursday, November 21, after the National Draft
• Delisted Free Agency Period (3): Thursday, November 21, after the National Draft
• List Lodgement 3*: Friday, November 22, 10am (optional; required for those participating in the PSD)
• Pre-Season Draft: Friday, November 22, 3pm
• Rookie Draft: Friday, November 22, 3.20pm

 

[King_Steele]

Agree. The closer we get to the draft, the more I want Tauru.

By draft night I'll probably be cheering for us to trade up to take him over any of the mids.

I'm the same mate. Massive Rooey vibes with the vice like hands

 

[Saintscomemarchingin]

I dont see the correlation.

Using a Top 10 pick to replace someone who was depth and someone pushed out by young talent already on the list doesn't make a lot of sense.

For depth? & best player available. They are in the top 10 on most draft boards, on ability foremost. Armstrong & Tauru that is.

 

[BrutThough]

For depth? & best player available. They are in the top 10 on most draft boards, on ability foremost. Armstrong & Tauru that is.

You don't use a top 10 pick on depth. And while we should be drafting the best talent, the talent in that area of the draft is reportedly so even that I find it hard to believe he would be the best choice available at 8.

 

[stavro#4]

You don't use a top 10 pick on depth. And while we should be drafting the best talent, the talent in that area of the draft is reportedly so even that I find it hard to believe he would be the best choice available at 8.

You could make a very good argument that trading down that pick would get us multiple highly rated kids that maybe don’t have such a high ceiling as Tauru - if we draft a high ceiling mid with our first pick.

 

[Saintscomemarchingin]

You don't use a top 10 pick on depth. And while we should be drafting the best talent, the talent in that area of the draft is reportedly so even that I find it hard to believe he would be the best choice available at 8.

You do realise that depth, means depth of list. Have a good player to replace a good player whether it be from form or injury =a strong list. He's top 10 on most draft boards, even if you don't agree.

 

[Tommy Wigs]

If we achieve this

Out: 7, 8, 32 & F1
In: 2, 15, 16, 21

possibly a F2 out aswell (the rumoured deal has us acquiring norths F2)

Then your looking at this potential draft haul:

2: FOS/Lalor/Jagga

15 + 16: Trainor Hotton Lindsay Reid Shanahan

21: Hynes Whitlock Dodson

+ Cole Peckett Hofmann

Aright for fun given we’re all waiting for more whispers. Who do you take if these are all open (even if not going to happen)

I’m going:
2: FOS
15 and 16: Trainor and Reid
21: Dodson

Apologies to the whole set of them . Hynes unlucky

 

[BrutThough]

You could make a very good argument that trading down that pick would get us multiple highly rated kids that maybe don’t have such a high ceiling as Tauru - if we draft a high ceiling mid with our first pick.

I'd be happy with that. I'd trade it for GWS's picks in a heartbeat and back ourselves in to pick two potential guns.

 

[BrutThough]

You do realise that depth, means depth of list. Have a good player to replace a good player whether it be from form or injury =a strong list.

I dont think we are in a position to be worrying about key forward depth when we have midfield and backline holes in a hypothetical under 25 best 22 that need filled.

 

[SteeleSaints]

You don't use a top 10 pick on depth. And while we should be drafting the best talent, the talent in that area of the draft is reportedly so even that I find it hard to believe he would be the best choice available at 8.

The draft and any pick trading this year will be tactical taking into consideration player movements over the next couple of years. As has been mentioned earlier what if we have a committment from LDU or Brayshaw to come across as FA next year. Perhaps then given the way this draft looks to be falling, doubling up on immediate midfield talent might not be so urgent.

The other consideration could be we are intent on moving Caminiti to CHB, if that was the case then another key forward makes sense. Even so I think we are more likely to move back with a pick and look at filling a couple of list needs eg ruckman, key positional player and/or another midfielder. GWS have a hard on for Travaglia and they have a strong history of trading to get targetted players, particularly given who they lost as FA this year.

That would allow us to keep our F1 and plug some holes, this year!

 

[BrutThough]

It would make sense if we are intent on moving Caminiti to CHB, but I think we are more likely to move back with a pick and look at filling a couple of list needs eg ruckman, key positional player and/or another midfielder. GWS have a hard on for Travaglia and they have a strong history of trading to get targetted players, particularly given who they lost as FA this year.

We have a good trading relationship with them as well so if they want Travaglia, we might be one of their first calls.

 

[luca77]

I dont see the correlation.

Using a Top 10 pick to replace someone who was depth and someone pushed out by young talent already on the list doesn't make a lot of sense.

Yeah I think if we pick Armstrong, it's a sign that we agree with Hanners re:Hammer not being up to it as a forward. He said that a couple of times during TW.

I don't get what the worries are. We either get 2 gun mids, or Tauru falls to our pick. Win win.

 

[Mangus]

So Smillie looks gone for us - thats shit house....I guess if we grab FOS we will cope.

I know that Richmond are building for the long term but still they have long contracts on Hopper and Tarranto - Smillie seems very similar to them big bodied inside players if Jagga is still there surely he makes more sense for them and still a chance they feel they need to jump early for Armstrong

Think our choices will likely be between Smillie Reid Allan Travaglia and hopefully any talk of Armstrong is just to spook Melb or Rich to go early on him.

 

[akaifu]

I know that Richmond are building for the long term but still they have long contracts on Hopper and Tarranto - Smillie seems very similar to them big bodied inside players if Jagga is still there surely he makes more sense for them and still a chance they feel they need to jump early for Armstrong

Think our choices will likely be between Smillie Reid Allan Travaglia and hopefully any talk of Armstrong is just to spook Melb or Rich to go early on him.

If anything, Jagga is more similar to Taranto than Smillie is to either of them

 

[Saintscomemarchingin]

I dont think we are in a position to be worrying about key forward depth when we have midfield and backline holes in a hypothetical under 25 best 22 that need filled.

Lyon has already stated that, he could see Caminiti as a backman. So, it's possible he trains there over the pre-season, a wait & see. So all I'm alluding to, is don't rule out Armstrong on you're assumption that we don't need a key forward. We lack depth in our key-postion stocks, back, ruck & possibly forward dependant on Caminiti then Heath & Keeler continuing their improvements.
I'm not that into Armstrong personally, I'd prefer Shanahan. But best available is usually the go.

 

[SteeleSaints]

I know that Richmond are building for the long term but still they have long contracts on Hopper and Tarranto - Smillie seems very similar to them big bodied inside players if Jagga is still there surely he makes more sense for them and still a chance they feel they need to jump early for Armstrong

Think our choices will likely be between Smillie Reid Allan Travaglia and hopefully any talk of Armstrong is just to spook Melb or Rich to go early on him.

Taranto 188cms
Hopper 187 cms

They need midfielders and Smillie has a distinct POD with his height 195cms and potential size plus he can play forward. They most likely rate him as the 2nd best mid in the group and will take him accordingly. If that means Jagga slides to us then great....

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Lyon has already stated that, he could see Caminiti as a backman. So, it's possible he trains there over the pre-season, a wait & see. So all I'm alluding to, is don't rule out Armstrong on you're assumption that we don't need a key forward. We lack depth in our key-postion stocks, back, ruck & possibly forward dependant on Caminiti then Heath & Keeler continuing their improvements.
I'm not that into Armstrong personally, I'd prefer Shanahan. But best available is usually the go.

Usually its easier to get key defenders, so it would be a bit weird if we start shifting competent forwards into defence.
But who knows.

 

[Mangus]

If anything, Jagga is more similar to Taranto than Smillie is to either of them

Well we have very different perceptions of these guys then

 

[Saintscomemarchingin]

Usually its easier to get key defenders, so it would be a bit weird if we start shifting competent forwards into defence.
But who knows.

Battle?

 

[sregit]

It also benefits Richmond the most, as you get to Pick your preference at 1 and 6, before we even get our first pick. Not really ideal.

We get 2 of the top 6 or 7 besides Ashcroft regardless. The issue is any of the top 6 could end up being the best player, so why trade for a player at 2 who may be no better than the kid you’d have got at 6 or 7. Everyone touting FOS at 2 are, I think risking a bomb. He has poor disposal numbers and current years stats (16) are piss poor. I’m hoping Richmond stays away from him. Gets limited Centre clearance. FOS is not a midfielder but more a HFF who does some clearance work in small amounts.

 

[stavro#4]

Just to stroke the fire in the loins of those who want Tauru.

Same Height as Rooey.

Gee looks the same as Rooey in this draft highlights towards the end.

 

[SteeleSaints]

Aright for fun given we’re all waiting for more whispers. Who do you take if these are all open (even if not going to happen)

I’m going:
2: FOS
15 and 16: Trainor and Reid
21: Dodson

Apologies to the whole set of them . Hynes unlucky

Love it that would be a perfect draft in my view.

Arguably the most rounded & best midfielder in the draft, a true intercepting CHB, another creative and damaging midfielder who kicks goals and a ruckman who can also play forward. Although I think Richmond might jump us on the Dodson call.

 

[stavro#4]

We get 2 of the top 6 or 7 besides Ashcroft regardless. The issue is any of the top 6 could end up being the best player, so why trade for a player at 2 who may be no better than the kid you’d have got at 6 or 7. Everyone touting FOS at 2 are, I think risking a bomb. He has poor disposal numbers and current years stats (16) are piss poor. I’m hoping Richmond stays away from him. Gets limited Centre clearance. FOS is not a midfielder but more a HFF who does some clearance work in small amounts.

You clearly don’t know much about the player and make snap decisions off a few videos.

2023 Coates Talent League (8 games)
22.1 disposals, 4.8 marks, 4.0 tackles, 5.6 inside 50s, 0.1 goals


They are midfield numbers.

 

[SteeleSaints]

We get 2 of the top 6 or 7 besides Ashcroft regardless. The issue is any of the top 6 could end up being the best player, so why trade for a player at 2 who may be no better than the kid you’d have got at 6 or 7. Everyone touting FOS at 2 are, I think risking a bomb. He has poor disposal numbers and current years stats (16) are piss poor. I’m hoping Richmond stays away from him. Gets limited Centre clearance. FOS is not a midfielder but more a HFF who does some clearance work in small amounts.

Careful what you wish for! Tigers could still trade for #2 and take FOS that would be embarrassing for yourself....

 

[SaintSteele9]

The more I read the more I like the possibility of what Stav posted. 7,8 etc out and 2,15,16,21 in or whatever it was.

FOS or Lalor at 2 as the blue chip investment and pick at the depth from there.

 

[HeavenlySources]

We get 2 of the top 6 or 7 besides Ashcroft regardless. The issue is any of the top 6 could end up being the best player, so why trade for a player at 2 who may be no better than the kid you’d have got at 6 or 7. Everyone touting FOS at 2 are, I think risking a bomb. He has poor disposal numbers and current years stats (16) are piss poor. I’m hoping Richmond stays away from him. Gets limited Centre clearance. FOS is not a midfielder but more a HFF who does some clearance work in small amounts.

It's not about any one particular player, it's about getting access to who we rate. If we rate the same two players Richmond does and everything remains the same, then we don't get either of our first two choices. At Least with Pick 2 we get one of our selections ahead of Richmond at 6.