2024 Draft Thread.

[Mat Mann]

Draft Period, November 20–21

• Round 1 of the National Draft: Wednesday, November 20
• Round 2–end of the National Draft: Thursday, November 21
• Rookie Promotions: Thursday, November 21, after the National Draft
• Delisted Free Agency Period (3): Thursday, November 21, after the National Draft
• List Lodgement 3*: Friday, November 22, 10am (optional; required for those participating in the PSD)
• Pre-Season Draft: Friday, November 22, 3pm
• Rookie Draft: Friday, November 22, 3.20pm

 

[stavro#4]

Will go back to the previous convo had on here when everyone was so disappointed with NWM over Hobbs.

Disappointed in two top ten players who hasn't even put on a boot for the club? I find the whole concept ludicrous considering we wont know their potential for a few years.

This surety on who will be a top player and who wont is quite frankly ridiculous. Development of a player is not linear.

Maybe we should have lost every game this season and got pick one.

People seem to like losing on the assumption a player in the future will make the team and culture better.

The players we get at 7+8 look to be 2 players from the nice to have list.

Not 1 from the must have list.

That’s the crux of the issue and I’d agree with his point here.

Tauru and Allan might be nice to have.

But ****, imagine 1 must have mid out of Draper/Langford

 

[stavro#4]

 

[Joffaboy]

To be fair to Hobbs he just landed at a club that has too many inside mids and he's not really got a second position that he can fall back on. They are playing him as a forward which isn't doing anyone any favours. Caldwell stepping up has pushed him out. Same with Ward at the Hawks. You can only play so many inside one position types.

This is true and not a reflection on Hobbs or Ward, it was pointing out how judging an 18 y.o just on potential as an AFL player is fraught.
There is no Harley Reid this draft and there is some incredibly even mids.
Say we had pick 5 and 6 and we landed Draper and Smillie. One has a back problem, the other has the highest boom/bust potential of all the top ten. Or we select Langford and he can't transition into the midfield, etc.
Say we get Tauru, and Reid, they have as much chance as being successful as any of the other top ten players.
To carry on like some do with this victim and loser mentality of wanting to lose the last match is nothing more than grievance whinging.
Yes we need top end talent in the mids, personally would love Smillie or Langford to get through to us, but for some to say they would be disappointed with say Tauru and Reid is laughable.

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[Saints TV]

 

[akaifu]

This is true and not a reflection on Hobbs or Ward, it was pointing out how judging an 18 y.o just on potential as an AFL player is fraught.
There is no Harley Reid this draft and there is some incredibly even mids.
Say we had pick 5 and 6 and we landed Draper and Smillie. One has a back problem, the other has the highest boom/bust potential of all the top ten. Or we select Langford and he can't transition into the midfield, etc.
Say we get Tauru, and Reid, they have as much chance as being successful as any of the other top ten players.
To carry on like some do with this victim and loser mentality of wanting to lose the last match is nothing more than grievance whinging.
Yes we need top end talent in the mids, personally would love Smillie or Langford to get through to us, but for some to say they would be disappointed with say Tauru and Reid is laughable.

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Because its about percentages - albeit very subjective. The expected output of the player given a perception of their ceiling and risk factors

It's been well-known for literally months that there is a clear top 6 of midfielders. It's not by choice or by biases that this has occurred...its simply what everyone in the industry is saying. To miss out on all of them is disappointing no matter how you want to put it

I'd say its comparable to the feeling you get when you beat 2024 West Coast by 10 points. Sure, its a win, but you are left with a sour taste because you are not fulfilled

 

[Senor Ding Dong]

The trade will come when we are on the clock. So it’s not an option.

Maybe I'm mistaken here, but I thought a pick can be traded at any time once the draft begins? So we could trade 8 for 15+16 at the very beginning. I guess the biggest impediment to this happening is that it would require a huge leap of faith by GWS that the player they want will still be on the board at pick 8....so yeah probably unlikely

 

[stavro#4]

Maybe I'm mistaken here, but I thought a pick can be traded at any time once the draft begins? So we could trade 8 for 15+16 at the very beginning. I guess the biggest impediment to this happening is that it would require a huge leap of faith by GWS that the player they want will still be on the board at pick 8....so yeah probably unlikely

That’s right a pick can be traded the second the draft opens.

But clubs won’t trade unless it’s a guarantee they can land the player they want.

 

[stavro#4]

If you want Draper… I think you need this outcome.

1. Fos Richmond
2. Lalor Crows
3. Jagga Carlton
4. Tauru North
5. Langford Dees
6. Smillie Richmond
7. Draper Saints

If you want Langford

1. Lalor Richmond
2. Draper Crows
3. Fos Carlton
4. Tauru North
5. Jagga Dees
6. Smillie Richmond
7. Langford Saints

 

[dudeintheswamp]

Maybe I'm mistaken here, but I thought a pick can be traded at any time once the draft begins? So we could trade 8 for 15+16 at the very beginning. I guess the biggest impediment to this happening is that it would require a huge leap of faith by GWS that the player they want will still be on the board at pick 8....so yeah probably unlikely

Once we get to our pick 7, we'll already know who we're taking there, so while we're on the clock for pick 7, make the swap deal for pick 8. That work?

 

[St Kilda Death]

Been watching all the vids.
That makes me an expert now right?
Unimpressed by Reid.
Draper and smith the standouts of the big 6 mids for me.
If we can’t get one of them…
Give me Allan and Lindsay.

 

[maanco]

Time for another crack. Twomey just canned multiple things with your attempt. Including Jagga getting to us.

If a mid falls it’s either Draper Smillie or Langford.

in his article - Twomey indicated it was a chance he makes it to the saints.

 

[stavro#4]

in his article - Twomey indicated it was a chance he makes it to the saints.

And on todays gettable he bins it

 

[malevu]

A genuine question for those who have more knowledge about the key draft prospects other than a 5 min highlight package video (like me).

Out of the dozen or so top prospects, who would you say is most likely to be able to play round one?

 

[akaifu]

A genuine question for those who have more knowledge about the key draft prospects other than a 5 min highlight package video (like me).

Out of the dozen or so top prospects, who would you say is most likely to be able to play round one?

Draper, O’Sullivan, Langford, Allan, Lalor, Lindsay

 

[Noddah]

A genuine question for those who have more knowledge about the key draft prospects other than a 5 min highlight package video (like me).

Out of the dozen or so top prospects, who would you say is most likely to be able to play round one?

Harvey Langford
FOS
Ashcroft

 

[Mr Platinum]

I’m aware of what this is fellas.

I’m asking you to read where he thinks the players kinda of fit

For example he doesn’t think Langford makes it to 7.

But Hones in on Murphy Reid for us

He didn’t really commit us to taking Smilie either, but linked Armstrong to us, as previously posted and debated for a million pages. I love that we are playing our cards closely to our chest.

 

[maanco]

Strategy for pick 8 should be

1. Pick 7 best available mid (regardless of Tauru is there or not)
2. Pick 8 bid on Lombard. Fold Coast parasites will match which gives us more time to work on a pick split, especially if Tauru is still on the board.
3. Split with GWS or take Tauru

Revised - If North do not draft Tauru.

1. Pick 7 - Bo Allan (regardless of Tauru is there or not)
2. Pick 8 bid on Lombard. Fold Coast parasites will match which gives us more time to work on a pick split, especially if Tauru is still on the board.
3. Split Pick 9 with GWS for 15 (Tobie Travaglia) and 16 (Murphy Reid) or Select Tauru at Pick 9.

 

[St Neil]

Saints have looked at Dodson as an option in the 30s

Gettable

I’ve seen some reporting (more social media posts) that suggest Tigers might target Dodson with pick 23 (last pick in the first round).

If we split pick 8 and 32 for 15, 16 & 21 we might need to use 21 for Dodson (if we are interested).

 

[stavro#4]

He didn’t really commit us to taking Smilie either, but linked Armstrong to us, as previously posted and debated for a million pages. I love that we are playing our cards closely to our chest.

In Gettable he said it’s unlikely Smillie would get through 7+8 - but it could happen.

You would imagine all hell has broken loose if that occurs with respect to the expected draft order.

 

[maanco]

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Absolute TANK at 108kg, and a great age for big fellas at 26, but 198cm is short for a genuine ruck at AFL level, and I’ve been a long-term fan (go ahead and search if you feel so inclined).

Still… he was faced with 200cm-plus rucks at SANFL level and still dominated;

Averaged 20 possessions, 4 tackles, and a whopping 41.5 hitouts and 10 clearances per game.

Diaposal efficiency was a woeful 40% though, which is a concern, and only averaged 2 marks per game.

Gives us more insurance though, which can never been an entirely bad thing.

Harry Boyd only managed 21 hitouts vs Port Adeliade ruck Dante Visentini, who at 21 years old and 202cm got 32 hitouts.

That disposal Efficiency is a big concern, which leads me to believe most of his disposals are ineffective and likely lead to turnovers, that our forward line will be punished on the rebound.

 

[akaifu]

Harry Boyd only managed 21 hitouts vs Port Adeliade ruck Dante Visentini, who at 21 years old and 202cm got 32 hitouts.

That disposal Efficiency is a big concern, which leads me to believe most of his disposals are ineffective and likely lead to turnovers, that our forward line will be punished on the rebound.

We have no other choice. Any player we recruit via rookie draft or SSP is going to have deficiencies - they are state-league players for a reason

As long as he can compete and give our mids first use more often than not without being an on-field liability, I’m happy

 

[_Maximus_12]

Draper or Smilie for me fit our future midfield profile the best.

 

[StCicatriz]

I re-read parts of that draft thread last night. I was impressed at your response to the selection I must admit, around page 212 or so.

I must have stopped posting by then as I expected to see some melts from me. I definitely remember my thoughts were we were fools for not grabbing either Hobbs, Sinn or Chesser at the time.

I did have a giggle when I read StCicatriz posting a lot about Erasmus, got to love that WA bubble

is that the same WA bubble where Liam Ryan was no good, Charlie Cameron was small fwd we didn't need, Barrass was a slow tall KPD better left at East Perth, Aaron Naughton was another defender we had a litany of and Ian Hill was a GWS bust?

you aren't going to get guys out of WA when they're bonafide sure bets. you're going to have to get them when they can't find a spot in their side. You aren't going to pry out a serong or brayshaw easily, freo will just chuck them on back ended deals and pay them what they want. What you can do is grab their developing players that aren't getting game time, it's the play we made for Liam Henry and it works. helps when you have a key player manager trying to start his own firm, where he's smart enough to break into victoria.

Erasmus is going to find it very difficult breaking into that freo midfield. his numbers suggest he's on the path to having a break out year if he can just get game time. there's no guarantee here but i think it'd be worth a shot that if can get game time that trajectory can keep going.

the issue isn't a WA bubble, it's excluding anything out of Victoria as somehow inferior and not worth exploring.

 

[Mr Platinum]

Because its about percentages - albeit very subjective. The expected output of the player given a perception of their ceiling and risk factors

It's been well-known for literally months that there is a clear top 6 of midfielders. It's not by choice or by biases that this has occurred...its simply what everyone in the industry is saying. To miss out on all of them is disappointing no matter how you want to put it

I'd say its comparable to the feeling you get when you beat 2024 West Coast by 10 points. Sure, its a win, but you are left with a sour taste because you are not fulfilled

Only when Tauru goes before us we get one of those mids, if we deem them worthy. If he doesn't go, he has superstar potential, so we pick him. Let's not get sucked into the mids need, if Wayne Carey was in the draft, would we overlook him because we need a midfielder? You take the best player, if we don't we should sack the whole recruitment team and bring Team Big Footy In, we know more than the experts!

 

[Mr Platinum]

is that the same WA bubble where Liam Ryan was no good, Charlie Cameron was small fwd we didn't need, Barrass was a slow tall KPD better left at East Perth, Aaron Naughton was another defender we had a litany of and Ian Hill was a GWS bust?

Aaron Naughton is the cousin of a very well known Saints poster on here, even he didn't rate him at our pick in that draft!