List Mgmt. 2024 List Mismanagement and Trading Part 2

[stavro#4]

You've been very reasonable, except for the ludicrous insistence that the (VIC) player selected with this year's draft pick will be involved. In what world does a team draft a top player as a downpayment on anyone after one year? Unheard of. Anything other than that, I'll listen to.

For example, if we draft Draper, what do you suggest?

No idea mate.

But if NWM was traded 2 weeks ago you would have paid pick 4 at a minimum. So what’s the difference if we take that player in 12 months if he is a Vic kid?

 

[Mutineer]

No idea mate.

But if NWM was traded 2 weeks ago you would have paid pick 4 at a minimum. So what’s the difference if we take that player in 12 months if he is a Vic kid?

For one reason only he's contracted.

 

[stavro#4]

For one reason only he's contracted.

And he is a star.

 

[Big Dub]

There will be a player involved and it’s likely you are just babysitting pick 4 - if Carlton take Draper.

We have been clear that we have been focusing on the draft and this year would be 4 consecutive years of that focus and we are looking to trade our 2025 first into this draft aswell.

NWM
Phillipou
Wilson
Collard
P7+P8
potentially our 2025F1 into another 2024 first

And Owens

All taken in that 4 year block (including this year)

Losing NWM for a first just won’t be what we are looking to do when we have a plethora of cap space and want to move from picks to players.

I’m trying to give you perspective. I think Nas is gettable. No illusions here.

Lalor, FOS, Draper and Langford are my top 4 rankings. And Vic country kids don't go home. So, we won't be "babysitting" any of those.

And whatever player we pick at 4 this year will have more impact on our future success than NWM or Philipou.

Phillipou is probably more of a "nice to have" than a need now. He projects to sit below pick 4, Rankine, Dawson, Soligo, Curtin (if he plays mid) and we also have Edwards, Dowling and Taylor coming through.

NWM is very good, and I'd like him. Just not as much as this year's pick or more than one of our Future firsts.

Now if you offered NWM and your future 1st for our pick 4, I'd be tempted. But I'd probably politely knock it back. We need that gun mid.

Edit: forgot Peatling coming through also.

 

[Mutineer]

And he is a star.

Settle down he's a very nice player that may one day be a star but he ain't there yet. These "star" ëlite"""generational talent words get thrown around a lot, not many players reach that status.

 

[Cromulant]

And he is a star.

Well let's not go too far at this stage

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

No idea mate.

But if NWM was traded 2 weeks ago you would have paid pick 4 at a minimum. So what’s the difference if we take that player in 12 months if he is a Vic kid?

Because that kid will be under contract & neither party may want him to leave.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

And he is a star.

Hopefully... but unknown at this stage.

 

[CrowHop]

Not many 22 year old stars get traded.

It’s not a common situation

Any talk or rumours on your board he’s looking to move home?


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[Mostyn]

They're clearly blinded by the numbers

We're inexperienced overall in terms of games played so they didn't want to let Smith go. Were happy to keep him, even though they know he's declining.

The thing is, our inexperience is exaggerated. Worrell for instance is a mature body, calm head. That's experience. He doesn't have games played though, for various factors (injuries and our ineptitude).

Hinge has had injuries and couldn't break into a stronger Brisbane side early. Doesn't give us significant games played but is experienced by any meaningful measure.

A bunch of our players have fewer games played than they should because we've selected cautiously in previous years (we don't now pleasingly) and dicked around with duds for years who we've since moved past.

We don't differentiate between "games played" and the mature, calming influence that experience supposedly provides. Max for instance displays surety under pressure that you want your leaders to show. Old head, young shoulders. We don't have faith that he can fill the Smith leadership void.

What does experience look like on field? We only see the numbers

I think the inexperience factor really ends this year.

We may still be slightly at the younger end, but we have folks on every line who have been in the system for long enough. It's not an excuse any more.

 

[stavro#4]

Any talk or rumours on your board he’s looking to move home?


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Nothing yet.

He was close last time.

It’s likely a matter of when not if.

 

[Crow till I die]

Show me equivalent trades of players who are stars at 22?

Horne Francis was the equivalent of 2 top 10 picks.

Dylan Shiel similar.

Griffin + P6 for Boyd.

The out of contract thing won’t really fly. Neither you or port will finish low enough for that to be a threat and NWM is such a talent that clubs will snap him up long before you get a chance.

The example of smith is poor. Missed the last 12 months with a knee reco. Was offered pick 4 the prior trade period - which was knocked back as not enough. Managed by Paul Connors etc.

There were factors in how that ended up the way it did.

I think if Nas wanted to leave you would be favourites. But it’s going to cost you a lot in asset currency. The kid is a star.

See the bolded bit..done deal, crows 2025 1st + laird for NWM.

 

[George Kramer]

Was I banned for a year and not a week and it’s really October 26 2025? Why else would an opposition poster be on our board telling us what the required trade would be? Also since when do BF posters speak for their club?

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Was I banned for a year and not a week and it’s really October 26 2025? Why else would an opposition poster be on our board telling us what the required trade would be? Also since when do BF posters speak for their club?

He's just shitting himself NWM is leaving the Saints after next season & trying to get in early to pretend his club can extract a premium for an uncontracted player... lol, clueless!

 

[SLOWNE]

And whatever player we pick at 4 this year will have more impact on our future success than NWM or Philipou.

Phillipou is probably more of a "nice to have" than a need now. He projects to sit below pick 4, Rankine, Dawson, Soligo, Curtin (if he plays mid) and we also have Edwards, Dowling and Taylor coming through.

NWM is very good, and I'd like him. Just not as much as this year's pick or more than one of our Future firsts.

I think Poo is gonna be an outright star, hes an absolute competitor. I also don't think he is any chance of requesting a trade home. He'll go where he think he can win, regardless of location.

NWM is a very good player, could be AA calibre on a wing. Nice get and a 1st and 2nd would be fair value I'd say.

 

[Big Dub]

Was I banned for a year and not a week and it’s really October 26 2025? Why else would an opposition poster be on our board telling us what the required trade would be? Also since when do BF posters speak for their club?

It's not a time warp, it's timeless Bigfooty. Welcome back!?!?

By the way, what were you actually banned for (or will that get us both banned)?

 

[Big Dub]

I think Poo is gonna be an outright star, hes an absolute competitor. I also don't think he is any chance of requesting a trade home. He'll go where he think he can win, regardless of location.

NWM is a very good player, could be AA calibre on a wing. Nice get and a 1st and 2nd would be fair value I'd say.

Now that we have Cumming, Peatling and pick 4, do we really prioritise trading for either?

I'd think finding 1 to 2 rucks and a goal kicking small forward would be the focus?

Edit: agree on Phillipou, will be a mercenary

 

[Crows I Am]

Now that we have Cumming, Peatling and pick 4, do we really prioritise trading for either?

I'd think finding 1 to 2 rucks and a goal kicking small forward would be the focus?

Edit: agree on Phillipou, will be a mercenary

Every year we should be aiming to bring in more quality through trade or FA now. So absolutely we should be trying to bring either of them in. My preference is NWM out of the two of them.

I agree we also need to sort out our ruck situation, we need to replace Strachan and also bring in a development ruck. We should be addressing one of those this year but looks unlikely now.

 

[skittlebrew]

Was I banned for a year and not a week and it’s really October 26 2025? Why else would an opposition poster be on our board telling us what the required trade would be? Also since when do BF posters speak for their club?

What do you have to do to get banned? Who were you trolling? Please tell me pear or blues supporters

 

[Mutineer]

He's just shitting himself NWM is leaving the Saints after next season & trying to get in early to pretend his club can extract a premium for an uncontracted player... lol, clueless!

If we'd drafted our NGA Isaac Keeler it would be a lot easier to shake NWM loose...best buds and all.

Keeler looking quite good in the VFL as well.

 

[1970crow]

Player and a pick.

We are trying to trade our 2025 first into this draft.

If your pick 4 is a vic kid. + 2025 1st

for

Nas + 2025 second rounder.

The player wanting out rarely aligns with the club you’re trading a player in from. You can pretty well rule out one of our players going to you.

 

[Amacca 23]

And you would be wrong, unless that pick 4 requests a trade to VIC next season

Also pick 4 would have a 3 year contract so good luck with that

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[1970crow]

I don't rate NWM as highly as Rankine, JHF or Jackson.

I think what we hold would have a major impact on the trade. If we held pick 8 to 10, that would be the deal. If we hold a higher pick, we'd get something back (either in the deal or by splitting the pick). If we hold 11 or later, we likely give up a 3rd or 2nd.

But comparable historical trades say it wouldn't cost us 2x1sts, even if objectively he's worth it (which I don't think he is).

I doubt 8-10 on its own gets it done. I think we’d need to find an early 20s pick too. And maybe a couple of downgrades to ice the deal.

 

[1970crow]

It's not a time warp, it's timeless Bigfooty. Welcome back!?!?

By the way, what were you actually banned for (or will that get us both banned)?

You don’t get ‘banned’ as such, each 5 points you accumulate within a 12 month period earns you a week off when you’re issued another point. Right now, if I got a 1 point warning I think I’d get a 3 week holiday. I did get 5 points once for mocking a racist turd on the main board politics or hawthorn issue thread. Even on 0 points that would result in a week.

 

[Big Dub]

You don’t get ‘banned’ as such, each 5 points you accumulate within a 12 month period earns you a week off when you’re issued another point. Right now, if I got a 1 point warning I think I’d get a 3 week holiday. I did get 5 points once for mocking a racist turd on the main board politics or hawthorn issue thread. Even on 0 points that would result in a week.

Thanks 1970crow .

Sounds like your ban was an investment in self respect. Much respect to you.