List Mgmt. 2024 List Mismanagement and Trading Part 2

[crow2crow]

Started at $800k, ended up near $1m.

Ok well if you are right thats band 1 which is not end of first round. personally i doubt it

 

[Hodgy]

No

Cal Twomey has reported that clubs believe “Cummings will attract an end of second round compo pick” so he isn’t on anywhere near that. Probably 4 years at around $600k.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Cal Twomey has reported that clubs believe “Cummings will attract an end of second round compo pick” so he isn’t on anywhere near that. Probably 4 years at around $600k.

Reckon it's more than that, but not the $1m mentioned either.

We will get a better idea when the compensation pick is announced.

 

[rabidcrow]

youre right but the only alternative would be a moneyball style acquisition of older players and thats been shown not to work in AFL
you need A grade talent

You need a mix
Unfortunately most of our older players either too old for this group - or pretty average. That’s why we need to be recruiting heavily


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[rabidcrow]

Started at $800k, ended up near $1m.

Was widely reported we started at $600k, Perryman was the one around $800-850k

No way it ended near a $1m

However we will see with the compo pick they get I guess. I suspect it will be band 3 - after their second rounder. And probably band 2 for Perryman


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[Mostyn]

Cumming will get them band 1, we paid near $1m.

Hahahahahaha - that's brilliant.

Wait, are you serious?

 

[CrowToon]

Got a copy of the contract?

I'm not the one stating made up things as fact.

 

[1970crow]

I'm not the one stating made up things as fact.

Whatever amount you reckon is made up.

 

[Vader]

We've slowly realised that the likes of Taylor and Dowling are more value than Jones, McHenry. More inexperienced again.

I'm not sure that this is accurate. We've realised that Jones & McHenry don't have what it takes, so now we're giving opportunities to Taylor & Dowling to show whether or not they have what it takes. The jury has returned in the Jones & McHenry cases, with a finding of guilty. The jury in the Taylor & Dowling cases has only just started hearing the evidence.

It may turn out that one of both of Taylor & Dowling follow the same path as Jones/McHenry - given abundant opportunities, before ultimately failing. Conversely, one or both could turn out to be gun players. We can't categorically say that they "are more value", just that "they may offer more value".

We'll get progressively younger.

Hence why progress is non-linear, something which I've been saying for years. Sometimes you go one step forwards and two steps back, in order to move forwards in the longer term. This is what happens when you do a full rebuild, something which many posters here struggle to comprehend or accept.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

I'm not sure that this is accurate. We've realised that Jones & McHenry don't have what it takes, so now we're giving opportunities to Taylor & Dowling to show whether or not they have what it takes. The jury has returned in the Jones & McHenry cases, with a finding of guilty. The jury in the Taylor & Dowling cases has only just started hearing the evidence.

It may turn out that one of both of Taylor & Dowling follow the same path as Jones/McHenry - given abundant opportunities, before ultimately failing. Conversely, one or both could turn out to be gun players. We can't categorically say that they "are more value", just that "they may offer more value".

Hence why progress is non-linear, something which I've been saying for years. Sometimes you go one step forwards and two steps back, in order to move forwards in the longer term. This is what happens when you do a full rebuild, something which many posters here struggle to comprehend or accept.

I just don't see how we progress given what we've been doing

We're going to get progressively younger when we're supposedly coming out the other side of a 5 year rebuild

 

[Vader]

I just don't see how we progress given what we've been doing

We're going to get progressively younger when we're supposedly coming out the other side of a 5 year rebuild

Who said it was a 5 year rebuild? Rebuilds almost always take longer than that.

As I pointed out before... we kept a core of older players when we did the big cleanout. Those veterans are now reaching the end of their playing careers, and their performances are dropping off. We're now at the transition point where performances will start to be driven by the younger players, as the veterans are progressively removed from the team. Whether or not our youngsters are capable of making that step will ultimately determine the success or failure of the rebuild.

 

[CrowToon]

Whatever amount you reckon is made up.

Im happy for you to back it up. Don't turn it around on me though. Its standard practice for the burden of proof to be on the one bringing forth the claim.

 

[ABAB]

Got a copy of the contract?

And you do? You are confusing with Perryman who is also a UFA and also from GWS who Port Power offered 7 years at $850K lol.

 

[Mostyn]

Who said it was a 5 year rebuild? Rebuilds almost always take longer than that.

As I pointed out before... we kept a core of older players when we did the big cleanout. Those veterans are now reaching the end of their playing careers, and their performances are dropping off. We're now at the transition point where performances will start to be driven by the younger players, as the veterans are progressively removed from the team. Whether or not our youngsters are capable of making that step will ultimately determine the success or failure of the rebuild.

Brisbane took nine years to develop their current list in their most recent rebuild. Melbourne spent 15 years rebuilding.

Carlton had two good years in 20, with two rebuilds.

North Melbourne are eight or nine years in, with no end in sight.

Gold Coast have been rebuilding their whole time in the league - hell, you could argue it's not a rebuild if nothing was ever built.

Richmond? Well, you could make the case they spent nearly 35 years rebuilding, with three good years in that time.

Essendon? Let's not be cruel.

Rebuilds are very hard. They look and feel exactly like this does.

 

[crow2crow]

the brisbane guy was kind of onto something with bailey but not for pick 4.

bailey for pick 25 would be fair wouldnt it? ANB for F2.
cumminf for free. all would be best 23.

 

[Danger in Texas]

the brisbane guy was kind of onto something with bailey but not for pick 4.

bailey for pick 25 would be fair wouldnt it? ANB for F2.
cumminf for free. all would be best 23.

No way Bris would do that

Just not worth considering Bailey as a possibility I reckon, he’s happy at his premiership-winning side

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Brisbane took nine years to develop their current list in their most recent rebuild. Melbourne spent 15 years rebuilding.

Carlton had two good years in 20, with two rebuilds.

North Melbourne are eight or nine years in, with no end in sight.

Gold Coast have been rebuilding their whole time in the league - hell, you could argue it's not a rebuild if nothing was ever built.

Richmond? Well, you could make the case they spent nearly 35 years rebuilding, with three good years in that time.

Essendon? Let's not be cruel.

Rebuilds are very hard. They look and feel exactly like this does.

How are we going compared to Hawthorn though... as you don't appear to have mentioned them...

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

I'd do Bailey and F3 for our F1.

Wrong quote?

 

[1990crow]

No way Bris would do that

Just not worth considering Bailey as a possibility I reckon, he’s happy at his premiership-winning side

I'd do Bailey and F3 for our F1.

 

[crow2crow]

I'd do Bailey and F3 for our F1.

Bailey is not worth F1 no way. Look at the stats I posed earlier. Pick 25 is about right. They might not do it thats fine but I wouldnt pay more. No way.

 

[1990crow]

Bailey is not worth F1 no way. Look at the stats I posed earlier. Pick 25 is about right. They might not do it thats fine but I wouldnt pay more. No way.

I'm kind of sick of losing. F1 pick does us no good in 2025 on field.

 

[crow2crow]

Im happy to use F1 but not on bailey. anyway they need picks this year for their academy and FS. 25 is fair seriously. if they happy for him to leave.

 

[Danger in Texas]

Im happy to use F1 but not on bailey. anyway they need picks this year for their academy and FS. 25 is fair seriously. if they happy for him to leave.

Why would they trade a known commodity in Bailey to match an academy bid, when they can just shuffle the picks they already own around?

 

[crow2crow]

Why would they trade a known commodity in Bailey to match an academy bid, when they can just shuffle the picks they already own around?

maybe they wont but that brisbane guy suggested they do need to offload salary and list spots and still need points for ashcroft and marshall

well using F1 wont help that....

 

[Billy Cart]

I just don't see how we progress given what we've been doing

We're going to get progressively younger when we're supposedly coming out the other side of a 5 year rebuild

"Gonna need a better coach".