List Mgmt. 2024 List Mismanagement and Trading Part 2

[Mutineer]

Can anyone tell me why we wouldn’t be into Matt Owies??

Cos hopefully we're looking to draft Ollie Hannaford?

 

[PeterSalt]

Can anyone tell me why we wouldn’t be into Matt Owies??

Slow and doesn't defend perhaps?

Other targets and a shortage of list space?

Organic growth?

Lachie Murphy?

 

[jackster83]

The main issue I believe from those seen as “negative” is the club have talked about it being done and looking to trade in, not continue to hit the draft.
Nicks coaching for long periods has looked to be coaching for immediate wins not looking at the long term.
I think the average punter can put up with low results if they can see improvement, right now that’s hard to see.

If we're being honest, most of the improvement since 2020 came from Tex himself getting back to his absolute best.

Without him we win the spoon again in 2021 and possibly in 2022 as well. This year he struggled with injury (age?) and the team sucked.

Dawson has been a brilliant pickup also, but was developed at another club.

Rankine as well, but is still yet to put an AA season together.

Other than Soligo and Fog this year, most of our younger players have only been playing peripheral roles. Bringing in a draftee to replace McHenry or Murphy won't have a huge impact on our fortunes, but more importantly we need to replace our ageing senior players such as Laird, Smith and eventually Crouch.

I'm not sure Nicks knows how to do the last bit. We were saved from ourselves in terms of picking Sloane this year, with his injury ruling him out.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Of course the club should have known it would take 8-10 years if they had bothered to research how other clubs executed successful rebuilds.

I wonder if our list management and coaching decisions have been made with 2028 to 2030 in mind?

Yes they knew a rebuild is not linear .....no, they haven't planned on 2028

They planned for this year, and they had the list .....too many road bumps though, personnel wise .... Vader has been spot on with his assessment

 

[Afcprophet]

Can't believe we are set on trading pick 25 for a 29 year old. Dumb decision.

 

[crow2crow]

So if I say he’s on $600k, I don’t need to back it up? You’re claiming it’s not near $1m, where’s your evidence?

if you are right the compo will be pick 15/16 so we will easily know. 1m is band 1 not band 2. if its a pick in the 30s we will know you're wrong.

 

[rabidcrow]

I just don't see how we progress given what we've been doing

We're going to get progressively younger when we're supposedly coming out the other side of a 5 year rebuild

But our core group of 12 or so is getting games together and becoming “old enough”. Two more seasons and most of those boys will 80 plus games and they won’t need all of the older heads


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[rabidcrow]

Can't believe we are set on trading pick 25 for a 29 year old. Dumb decision.

Talk that may change


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[The Karma Bus]

Talk that may change


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They must have been monitoring the recent sale numbers of pitchforks, matches etc from various stores in Adelaide.

 

[Danger in Texas]

If we're being honest, most of the improvement since 2020 came from Tex himself getting back to his absolute best.

Without him we win the spoon again in 2021 and possibly in 2022 as well. This year he struggled with injury (age?) and the team sucked.

Dawson has been a brilliant pickup also, but was developed at another club.

Rankine as well, but is still yet to put an AA season together.

Other than Soligo and Fog this year, most of our younger players have only been playing peripheral roles. Bringing in a draftee to replace McHenry or Murphy won't have a huge impact on our fortunes, but more importantly we need to replace our ageing senior players such as Laird, Smith and eventually Crouch.

I'm not sure Nicks knows how to do the last bit. We were saved from ourselves in terms of picking Sloane this year, with his injury ruling him out.

I at least think Smith is relegated to depth now, especially with Cumming being brought in. Hinge clearly won't fall out at any point, and Nicks seems to like Nank too, so I don't think he'll fall victim to senior player prioritisation, now

I'm not nearly as confident with Laird. The club seems to think the sun shines out of his arse, for some reason - there was a reason (and not a good one) we sent him out to shit on Rash, he's a 'valued senior contributor'. I do have hope he'll be phased out like Smith was eventually... but how soon that is, I'm not holding my breath

Crouch, ehh, I'm happy if he sticks around for another year in the 22. Move him on once his contract's ended though, surely a team like Geelong could use him

 

[ABAB]

Can't believe we are set on trading pick 25 for a 29 year old. Dumb decision.

Someone on X who called Cumming had select us a few days before he did mentioned we've change to offering our F2, giving up pick 25 for ANB especially this draft is crazy, even other supporters and some Melbourne supporters think it's crazy.

 

[Nicks_out_now]

Apparently I’m banned from the rumour page because i say someone on an anonymous footy forum doesn’t really have a source.

But when the rumour is found to be invalid after all your joyful celebrations, nothing happened.

ill leave you too it. Enjoy your rumours.

 

[Amacca 23]

Apparently I’m banned from the rumour page because i say someone on an anonymous footy forum doesn’t really have a source.

But when the rumour is found to be invalid after all your joyful celebrations, nothing happened.

ill leave you too it. Enjoy your rumours.

You dont know that at all

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[Nicks_out_now]

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I’ve had my say. Just leave it alone. No more replies.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Talk that may change


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IF the F2 was earmarked for Lukosius ....you can understand the change from this years R2 ....to next years R2

Don't think MELB will be impressed, and will push back .....reality though, they're not in a strong position.

MELB targeted McAdam .....we did not target ANB ....there's your difference in trade value

 

[Danger in Texas]

Someone on X who called Cumming had select us a few days before he did mentioned we've change to offering our F2, giving up pick 25 for ANB especially this draft is crazy, even other supporters and some Melbourne supporters think it's crazy.

That guy also said Cumming did his medical with us and Port the day after Cumming flew out

He's just saying stuff on the fly

 

[PeterSalt]

Richmond was kind of a joke - they were pretty terrible from 1981 to 2015, but that's certainly not one rebuild ...

Yeah - I get that they were irrelevant and sh*t since the early 80's

The point I was trying to make is that the list that went onto win their premierships started at the bottom of the ladder and was built around 4 early draft picks and took a decade to salute

 

[Mostyn]

Talk that may change


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Or maybe we never intended to.

 

[Mostyn]

IF the F2 was earmarked for Lukosius ....you can understand the change from this years R2 ....to next years R2

Don't think MELB will be impressed, and will push back .....reality though, they're not in a strong position.

MELB targeted McAdam .....we did not target ANB ....there's your difference in trade value

What does Melbourne do if we only offer an F2?

Say no and expect ANB to retire?

 

[crow2crow]

What does Melbourne do if we only offer an F2?

Say no and expect ANB to retire?

what does melb do if we offer pick 81

 

[WaynesWorld19]

What does Melbourne do if we only offer an F2?

Say no and expect ANB to retire?

Is ANB contracted ?

ANB is well liked by his teammates ....this would not be a good PR exercise to block him too hard

 

[1970crow]

Yeah that's fair - I guess the question is who thought 5 years would be enough?

Not me, we had too many first pick failures. We look to have turned it around recently, but we're still short 2-3 top 10 players we needed from those picks. My greatest fear, and I posted it, was that we'd return to near finals without addressing that talent gap. I'm glad we tanked this year and hope we do again next year.

 

[Crow till I die]

How about;

F2 + Pick 42 for ANB and F3
Pick 25 + F3 for Peatling

 

[ABAB]

Perryman is reported to be nearing $1m currently. Kane Cornes is up in arms over it.

Port Power up their offer to nearly $1M? There's no way Collingwood is offering him that much.

 

[rabidcrow]

Not me, we had too many first pick failures. We look to have turned it around recently, but we're still short 2-3 top 10 players we needed from those picks. My greatest fear, and I posted it, was that we've return to near finals without addressing that talent gap. I'm glad we tanked this year and hope we do again next year.

2017-2019 we missed 4 firsts, of which 2 were pretty high. The jury is still out on Pedlar - so it could be 5 misses (I still hold hope) but that is what has completely derailed any average to above average rebuild turnaround (on top of losing Charlie, Mitch and Lever)

Drafting has clearly improved - but we are still paying the price


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