It's too late to move on Laird now.
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Kane McGoodwin
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What do you mean, surely it’s never too late as long as he’s seen as best 22 by the coaches
... and yet they've been able to field teams which are both older & more experienced than us all year. Why?
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Yep, I'd trade Laird ....now or never
We're just a couple of steps further down the road, in that our veterans are now falling off the cliff - while theirs remain capable of playing at the top level.
Effectively, they're where we were last year, when our veterans were still capable of making significant contributions (and largely carried the youngsters on their backs).
I have repeatedly stated that you need experienced players to support the kids - but that our experienced players are no longer capable of doing that (because they've mostly fallen off the cliff).That's how this conversation started...
No... nobody is going to be interested in trading for him at his age, and there's no way he'd agree to be traded anyway (given that he's contracted until 2026).
We're stuck with him at this point, though I can definitely see him being moved to the SANFL in the back half of 2025 and staying there for 2026 (if he's not talked into retiring).
We can't trade him, because he wouldn't have any takers and wouldn't agree to be traded anyway. Trading requires the agreement of 3 parties - the losing team, the gaining team, and the player - and all 3 need to agree to the trade. As of 2025, there's only 1 of the 3 parties with any interest in making a trade happen.
We can't pay out his contract and delist him, given that he has 2 years left on a fairly hefty salary.
We're stuck with him for at least another year, at which point the best we can do is talk him into retiring.
Could say the old ‘you’re not guaranteed best 22 next year, you may be somewhere else’ to him, and then hope another club has interest
One thing’s for sure, shouldn’t be best 22 next year (we know he will be though)
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You mean the matthew lobbe / chad wingard / dan houston / dougal howard treatment
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Oh no we'd be bottom 2 for 4-5 years like North instead of... checks notes ... still finishing bottom 4 after 5 years.
We did what you wanted. We kept and played the experienced players. And here we are, still bad. Still not winning.
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The problem lies in not dropping senior players and playing the younger players enough over the 5 year period, meaning the younger players who have the talent and should have been driving us forward are too inexperienced to do so.
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Ok name some in this category ....and when they were drafted
I think you'll be surprised
So, first round of delistings next week?
Hawks didn't cut harder than us in terms of numbers. They cut quality. We had lots of deadwood. Check out our list from 2019. About 1/3 have survived.
Hawks also bought in AFL experienced role players in the right age group better than us
The problem is that there's almost no such hope.
He will almost certainly follow the Smith 2024 pattern - starting the year in the 22, but ending it in the SANFL.
The problem is that he's also contracted for 2026, by which time it will be apparent to all & sundry that he won't be considered for AFL selection. They really need to talk him into retiring at the end of 2025, with a negotiated settlement, even if that means he goes on the rookie & inactive lists (like we did with Gibbs).
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Players of less value & older have been traded plenty of times... so yes it is possible.
Come on... it's not impossible, but it's really, really, really unlikely. Don't forget that he's got 2 years left on his contract. Which team/club is going to be stupid enough to take that on?
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Hawks ended up with a younger team than us.
We have had at least as many experienced players in our rebuild & have traded in more valuable players than them... including our best 2 players.
The suggestion Hawks are better than us because of their experienced players is a nonsense.
They are better than us because they got games into their best young talent quicker than us.
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It's happened plenty of times, so stop pretending it's impossible.
Well, no. We needed experience around those players back then, just as we do today. The difference is that 5 years ago our veterans were still capable of performing this role - today, they're not.
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You're missing the point. They played them no matter what.
Worrell and Nankervis are two players that come to mind that should have at least 20 more games under their belts. We refused to play them unless they fitted this "experience" formula.
It's gotten us nowhere. Good clubs get games into players they think could be in a top 4 quality side team.
Ah, so Hawthorn is a year behind us in their rebuild. Alrrrrrrriiiiiggggght…….
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Of course you would but Twomey in his Phantom Draft intel backs it up.I’d say that if I was him too
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