List Mgmt. 2024 List Mismanagement and Trading

[Mutineer]

Opinions on players are allowed to change after they've played a season or 2.

Way to miss the point, Jones looked like one of the options for our pick that year along with several others, on the Adelaide board Jackson Hately was the most favoured.

The point is most of this board didn't think Jones was an ordinary pick at the time after making the U18 All Australian team sharing on ball status with Sam Walsh and almost winning the TSL Seniors medal after only playing the 5 games, top votes in 4 of the games.

 

[1970crow]

It took me about 2 minutes, while Sydney were playing kick to kick in the 4th quarter. Making the graph was arguably a better use of my time than watching the Swans playing out junk time.

Do you have any comment about what the graph shows? Do you agree/disagree with it? Do you understand it?

What's the vertical axis and how do you differentiate between veterans and youngsters? Is it an actual graph or did you just free draw some lines on a page to represent your inherent belief.

 

[1970crow]

It would be an absolute travesty if we land Luko and they force Walker out without him having been given an opportunity to farewell the supporters.

I argued before that there isn't room for both Tex and Luko in the same team, so I understand where they are coming from, from a logical perspective. However, treating a club Legend like this is completely unacceptable.

It's Tex's choice to not have retired and risk this occurring.

 

[1970crow]

One cross over year will be no issue - Luko probably has 8-9 years left
Tex would just need to understand he may only play 50% of the time in the ones


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Extending Tex is now clearly a mistake. His goals don't counteract his negative aspects. We need to put him in our rear view mirror with Sloane.

 

[Vader]

Disagree big time, Luko is far more versatile than Tex especially at this point in their careers.Tex at a max has 1 more year left in the tank, Luko you would think at least 6 maybe more so other than 2025 they wouldn't be competing for the same spot. One of the big differences we saw last night is Sydney have players like Gulden, Campbell, Blakey etc that are elite users by foot...guess what Luko is an elite user also.

The issue isn't whether or not Luko is a better fit going forwards. It's the treatment of Walker, effectively preventing him from having a farewell game.

 

[Vader]

Way to miss the point, Jones looked like one of the options for our pick that year along with several others, on the Adelaide board Jackson Hately was the most favoured.

The point is most of this board didn't think Jones was an ordinary pick at the time after making the U18 All Australian team sharing on ball status with Sam Walsh and almost winning the TSL Seniors medal after only playing the 5 games, top votes in 4 of the games.

Yeah, there are a few examples of where the club got it wrong - but the BF collective pick turned out to be no (or little) better. There's Jones (club) vs Hately (BF), and McAsey (club) vs Stephens (BF).

I maintain that Jones was a good pick, he was just ruined by poor coaching/development.

 

[Milo Cyrus]

Thanks for your service Tex, Laird, Brodie, and the Mascot but the time has come!
ROB & Milera might have some trade currency.

 

[rabidcrow]

Extending Tex is now clearly a mistake. His goals don't counteract his negative aspects. We need to put him in our rear view mirror with Sloane.

That 50m last night was really poor. Some of the stuff from Laird, Murphy, Tex and Dawson last night - decisions and errors - looked particularly bad in light of the week we have had
That smother on Laird - you could see that happening a few steps before it did (and I reckon he got smothered/ deflects on another kick out as well


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[TheLeftFist8]

It would be an absolute travesty if we land Luko and they force Walker out without him having been given an opportunity to farewell the supporters.

I argued before that there isn't room for both Tex and Luko in the same team, so I understand where they are coming from, from a logical perspective. However, treating a club Legend like this is completely unacceptable.

We have so many duds to delist before getting rid of Tex.

 

[GROTTO]

We have so many duds to delist before getting rid of Tex.

This is true, while I am ok for us to move on from Tex, I would definitely be keeping Tex over a number of players that are on our list.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Hawks ended up with a younger team than us.

We have had at least as many experienced players in our rebuild & have traded in more valuable players than them... including our best 2 players.

The suggestion Hawks are better than us because of their experienced players is a nonsense.

They are better than us because they got games into their best young talent quicker than us.

*they got better than us because they have drafted more quality young talent and have traded in smartly re listed afl players , they also played them and have a genius coach . They’re also not afraid to play the experienced players in peripheral roles eg sub and flank

 

[skittlebrew]

We have so many duds to delist before getting rid of Tex.

This is true, but our forward line needs to learn to function without him—it's time to cut the cord. Obviously, he's resigning though...

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Add Taylor too to the list of class players we should have got more games into.

Not too sure about that one due to conditioning , think he’s come on well and if he can have a big pre season be a major player for us

 

[Jeffcrowe]

The whole walker scenario is yet another example that the club can’t make hard calls.

People crying foul over no farewell game, but if we were actually a good club, he would’ve had his farewell game against footscray.

Like Gunston at hawks ? Tex would be likely be the best forwards coach at the club and still takes heat off Fog and TT without dominating the forward line as a target anymore as he’s changed his game style , he gets it

 

[BucketsNj]

LOL, you seriously expecting an AFL player to publicly criticise his coach?

He didn’t have to say it. He could just have said it’s great to be in the team.
No reason to disbelieve what he says unless you want to disbelieve what he says because you have your own preconceived ideas.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

That's how this conversation started...

not from my end , was basically saying our senior players are not up to scratch and we neeed to do something about it

 

[Jeffcrowe]

The problem is that there's almost no such hope.

He will almost certainly follow the Smith 2024 pattern - starting the year in the 22, but ending it in the SANFL.

The problem is that he's also contracted for 2026, by which time it will be apparent to all & sundry that he won't be considered for AFL selection. They really need to talk him into retiring at the end of 2025, with a negotiated settlement, even if that means he goes on the rookie & inactive lists (like we did with Gibbs).

I’d be encouraging him to see if he can find a suitor , that’s what the successful clubs do . Talk to managers , tell them he’s not in best 22 plans and see if he can find a suitor

It’s actually fairer to Laird to do it that way too

 

[lincsPJ]

Like Gunston at hawks ? Tex would be likely be the best forwards coach at the club and still takes heat off Fog and TT without dominating the forward line as a target anymore as he’s changed his game style , he gets it

Not really as you need to consider the forward line unit as whole. Im all for him spending time offering his knowledge at training and on game day, but not playing. And I’m as a big a Tex fan as any.

Maybe a genius forward line coach can work out how to make a slow 35yo tall, a decoy… but for a 15th placed side with 2 locked in long term, maturing talls?

Thirty. Five.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Not really as you need to consider the forward line unit as whole. Im all for him spending time offering his knowledge at training and on game day, but not playing. And I’m as a big a Tex fan as any.

Maybe a genius forward line coach can work out how to make a slow 35yo tall, a decoy… but for a 15th placed side with 2 locked in long term, maturing talls?

Thirty. Five.

That’s the thing he likely play 10-12 games maybe more if he’s moving well

If we have injuries he plays over burgess etc

Money not in the soft cap re coaching so we can actually target some better assistant coaches if nicks stays ( which looks likely for now )

 

[grundog49]

Thanks for your service Tex, Laird, Brodie, and the Mascot but the time has come!
ROB & Milera might have some trade currency.

Milera is harsh imo, bloke had been injured most of the year but was solid when he was around. Only trade if affecting salary cap significantly (can't really see that being the case though).

Trading ROB for a 2nd string ruck at another club plus some picks would do nicely. Maybe without Dodoro we might be able to swing a play for Nick Bryan.

 

[ABAB]

Nicks press conference made me think tex contract very much directly linked to Luko and we won’t hear about that until we know what’s going on there

Interesting, it might be why Nicks played him and didn't sub him despite physically struggling. We really need all the players from 2017 to move on.

 

[Redline]

We have so many duds to delist before getting rid of Tex.

The problem is you only see a narrow view on TV you don't see the momentum the opposition get from defence having an extra man when rebounding.

Regardless I think thats a narrow view and you could say the same about Laird but the playing group needs a massive reset in culture and a fresh start.

There is too much baggage with the older players, we can't afford to be giving limited preseason with our group. It has to be 100% all in.

 

[Tex Danger]

Interesting, it might be why Nicks played him and didn't sub him despite physically struggling. We really need all the players from 2017 to move on.

The other interesting part just before the question on his contract was when asked about Thilthorpe and that leading to asking about the fwd mix with Tex in there where he said something along the lines of “depends who you ask, if you ask Tex he loves playing with him”

Just further made it sound like Tex himself wants to go on badly and sees himself adding value to the forward line but clearly there’s others who disagree

 

[1970crow]

Like Gunston at hawks ? Tex would be likely be the best forwards coach at the club and still takes heat off Fog and TT without dominating the forward line as a target anymore as he’s changed his game style , he gets it

None of that is relevant, if it was we should sign him up for 5 more.

 

[TheLeftFist8]

The problem is you only see a narrow view on TV you don't see the momentum the opposition get from defence having an extra man when rebounding.

Regardless I think thats a narrow view and you could say the same about Laird but the playing group needs a massive reset in culture and a fresh start.

There is too much baggage with the older players, we can't afford to be giving limited preseason with our group. It has to be 100% all in.

Reasonable points. Be nice to see a new coach and new playing group to begin a new era.

I often see Tex as an exception to the rule as I perceive him to be positive for our club but maybe a clean break from the past is needed.

Pragmatically, I think 2025 will be almost as bad as 2024 except a softer draw may inflate results. Hopefully Nicks sacked as soon as possible.