List Mgmt. 2024 List Mismanagement and Trading

[Crow till I die]

Meh... Dylan Stephens was the consensus BF pick in that draft. This is whinging that the club didn't pick a player who BF didn't want either.

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At least stephens is still on an AFL list..low bar but higher than McAsey

 

[Vader]

ANB, Cumming, Luko, Rosas, now that's a good haul of players that will certainly propel us up the ladder. Plus pick 4, pick in the 20s, Welsh at a minimum makes seven ins. That's seven outs? Sloane, Burgess, McSpud, Hamill, Gollant, Parnell, then one of Berg/Borlase/Keane - done

Other than Nicks steering the ship, I'm much happier about 2025 already. Now just get it all done

8 outs, because we've already brought in Turray.

It's becoming increasingly difficult to see how the club can get all these moves done, given how few uncontracted players remain.

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[OccamsRazorRay]

8 outs, because we've already brought in Turray.

It's becoming increasingly difficult to see how the club can get all these moves done, given how few uncontracted players remain.

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Delist and contract payout for anyone?


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[Kane McGoodwin]

We don't have anywhere near enough list positions free to do all this, particularly given the number of players we've been linked to by trades.

It is highly unlikely that we will be making more than 3 draft selections in total, including Welsh, across the ND/PSD/RD.

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At the moment.

Imo we will.end up.with some trades out.

 

[Vader]

And you have to be careful if you go down that track as another club may steal in to take your delisted player ala hugh greenwood. So you would have to make sure whatever player was picked to delist to then rookie was one you were prepared to possibly lose

Yes, there's always the risk of gazumping. You only do this with players you don't mind losing and/or are highly unlikely to be grabbed by another club.

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[crow2crow]

Delist and contract payout for anyone?


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Murphy is the obvious but wont happen.

 

[crow2crow]

At the moment.

Imo we will.end up.with some trades out.

Agree but it should have been berry trade out, not keane. And cut borlase free.

 

[Vader]

At least stephens is still on an AFL list..low bar but higher than McAsey

They're whining about Serong, because he's just been named in the AA team. Stephens is only marginally closer to AA selection than McAsey, who is no longer in the AFL.

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[Kane McGoodwin]

Agree but it should have been berry trade out, not keane. And cut borlase free.

Also depends who wants to be traded out too.

 

[Vader]

Delist and contract payout for anyone?


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Possible, but unlikely. Burgess the only likely candidate, assuming we gave him 2 years when we traded for him. Most people are already counting him on their list of outs anyway.

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[Vader]

At the moment.

Imo we will.end up.with some trades out.

Keane is the only one who appears likely at this stage. Who else can you see being traded?

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[skittlebrew]

Please stay, Josh

Might want to pull the trigger on Rosas before GC realise it's a sellers market

 

[CharlieCrow]

When you have a list that has so many players that won't be in our next successful team, it's time to be decisive and courageous and move them on. We will just stay the same if we don't.
Sadly the Smith and Berry decisions don't give an indication that things are about to change.

I quote Barrett

IF ...​

this club isn't right now pulling apart every facet of its operations, on and off field, in a ruthless critique of what it wants to stand for

THEN ...​

2025 will be like 2024, 2023, 2022, 2021, 2020, 2019 and 2018 … has become complacent and embarrassingly underwhelming. Crows once stood for something, but recently, they have become comfortable in being mediocre.

 

[crows dude]

Team List for 2025


1 - Chayce Jones

1

Chayce Jones

Age

24

Ht

182cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

D/M

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.0

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

4.6

3star

M

1.7

2star

T

1.9

4star

MG

178.6

3star

D

8.9

2star

K

4.9

2star

HB

4.0

3star

M

1.4

2star

T

1.6

3star

MG

143.3

3star

D

9.4

3star

K

4.4

2star

HB

5.0

4star

M

1.6

2star

T

1.8

4star

MG

175.0

3star

2 - Ben Keays

2

Ben Keays

Age

27

Ht

186cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.1

3star

K

5.8

2star

HB

7.3

5star

M

2.3

2star

T

3.9

5star

G

0.4

3star

D

13.7

3star

K

8.7

3star

HB

5.0

3star

M

2.8

3star

T

3.7

4star

G

0.3

3star

D

13.0

4star

K

4.8

2star

HB

8.2

5star

M

1.4

2star

T

4.4

5star

G

0.4

3star

3 - Sam Berry
4 - Lachlan Murphy

4

Lachlan Murphy

Age

25

Ht

174cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.8

2star

K

5.8

2star

HB

4.0

3star

M

2.3

2star

T

3.4

5star

G

0.9

4star

D

8.8

2star

K

4.8

2star

HB

4.0

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.2

4star

G

0.7

4star

D

9.0

3star

K

6.2

3star

HB

2.8

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.6

5star

G

1.0

4star

5 - Matt Crouch

5

Matt Crouch

Age

29

Ht

183cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

28.4

5star

K

12.0

4star

HB

16.4

5star

M

3.3

3star

T

3.9

5star

CL

4.8

5star

D

24.9

5star

K

9.7

4star

HB

15.1

5star

M

2.4

3star

T

2.4

3star

CL

4.4

5star

D

21.2

5star

K

10.4

4star

HB

10.8

5star

M

4.4

4star

T

3.4

5star

CL

2.0

4star

6 - Dan Curtin
7 - Riley Thilthorpe
8 - Josh Rachele
9 - Luke Pedlar
10 - Charlie Edwards
11 - Jordan Dawson

12

Jordan Dawson

Age

27

Ht

191cm

Wt

91kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.0

4star

K

11.4

4star

HB

5.7

4star

M

4.8

5star

T

2.8

4star

CL

0.6

3star

D

15.7

4star

K

10.9

4star

HB

4.9

3star

M

2.9

3star

T

2.0

3star

CL

0.4

3star

D

11.8

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

4.0

3star

M

5.0

5star

T

3.0

5star

CL

0.6

3star

12 - Taylor Walker

13

Taylor Walker

Age

34

Ht

194cm

Wt

102kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.0

3star

K

9.0

3star

HB

4.0

3star

M

5.7

5star

T

1.6

4star

G

2.3

5star

No current season stats available

D

8.0

2star

K

6.4

3star

HB

1.6

2star

M

4.2

4star

T

1.6

4star

G

1.6

5star

13 - Jake Soligo
14 - Brayden Cook
15 - Max Michalanney
16 - Zac Taylor
17 - Mitch Hinge
18 - Oscar Ryan
19 - Izak Rankine

23

Izak Rankine

Age

24

Ht

181cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.0

3star

K

9.0

3star

HB

4.0

3star

M

2.7

3star

T

2.7

4star

G

2.0

5star

D

13.0

3star

K

9.0

4star

HB

4.0

3star

M

2.7

3star

T

2.7

4star

G

2.0

5star

D

13.0

4star

K

9.0

4star

HB

4.0

3star

M

2.7

3star

T

2.7

5star

G

2.0

5star

20 - Josh Worrell
21 - Harry Schoenberg
22 - Luke Nankervis
23 - Nick Murray
24 - Rory laird

29

Rory Laird

Age

30

Ht

177cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

25.4

5star

K

12.9

5star

HB

12.5

5star

M

5.4

5star

T

2.3

4star

CL

1.0

3star

D

19.6

5star

K

10.9

4star

HB

8.7

4star

M

3.4

3star

T

2.4

3star

CL

1.1

3star

D

14.6

4star

K

7.4

3star

HB

7.2

5star

M

3.2

4star

T

4.0

5star

CL

0.4

3star

25 - Wayne Milera

30

Wayne Milera

Age

27

Ht

184cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.9

4star

K

10.0

4star

HB

6.8

4star

M

4.3

4star

T

2.5

4star

MG

265.3

4star

D

15.0

4star

K

8.5

3star

HB

6.5

4star

M

3.5

3star

T

1.0

2star

MG

282.0

4star

D

11.4

3star

K

5.8

3star

HB

5.6

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

1.4

4star

MG

182.0

3star

26 - Billy Dowling
27 - Darcy Fogarty

32

Darcy Fogarty

Age

25

Ht

194cm

Wt

100kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

8.5

2star

K

5.7

2star

HB

2.8

2star

M

3.7

4star

T

1.7

4star

G

1.2

4star

D

6.3

1star

K

4.0

1star

HB

2.3

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.3

3star

G

1.0

4star

D

8.0

2star

K

5.4

2star

HB

2.6

3star

M

3.4

4star

T

2.6

4star

G

1.0

4star

28 - Brodie Smith

33

Brodie Smith

Age

32

Ht

189cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

19.5

5star

K

12.3

5star

HB

7.2

4star

M

4.2

4star

T

2.1

4star

MG

500.1

5star

D

17.1

4star

K

12.6

5star

HB

4.5

3star

M

3.5

3star

T

2.3

3star

MG

438.9

5star

D

17.2

5star

K

10.8

4star

HB

6.4

4star

M

3.8

4star

T

3.6

5star

29 - James Borlase - Rookie
30 - Lachlan Sholl
31 - Toby Murray - Rookie
32 - Hugh Bond
33 - Jordan Butts
34 - Reilly O'Brien

43

Reilly O'brien

Age

29

Ht

202cm

Wt

105kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.4

4star

K

5.9

2star

HB

8.5

5star

CL

1.6

4star

HO

23.8

5star

D

14.4

3star

K

5.9

2star

HB

8.5

4star

CL

1.6

4star

HO

23.8

5star

D

12.6

4star

K

4.8

2star

HB

7.8

5star

CL

1.0

3star

HO

24.8

5star

35 - Isaac Cumming

13

Isaac Cumming

Age

26

Ht

188cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

D/M

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.2

3star

K

6.0

2star

HB

5.2

4star

M

2.4

3star

T

2.3

4star

MG

158.0

2star

D

9.5

2star

K

5.0

2star

HB

4.5

3star

M

1.5

2star

T

2.5

3star

MG

158.0

3star

D

10.6

3star

K

5.6

3star

HB

5.0

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

2.6

4star

- Free Agent
36 - Alex Neale Bullen - Traded in
37 - Jack Lukosius

13

Jack Lukosius

Age

24

Ht

195cm

Wt

91kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.8

4star

K

11.5

4star

HB

3.3

3star

M

3.4

3star

T

1.8

4star

MG

369.3

5star

D

14.8

4star

K

11.5

4star

HB

3.3

2star

M

3.4

3star

T

1.8

3star

MG

369.3

5star

D

13.6

4star

K

11.2

4star

HB

2.4

3star

M

4.2

4star

T

2.2

4star

MG

358.0

5star

- Traded in

Is it 38 and 4 still.

So 3 Picks in draft and two Rookie Picks

How we get these three in without trading pick 4 i dont know. But i leave that to the experts.

 

[relapse]

I still think we're in the box seat with Luko.

I'm pretty sure the AFL changed the rules after Bowes that clubs could no longer restructure incoming contacts.

1 million is a pretty big price tag and given that Port are pushing out Houston there must be some sort of cap squeeze. So with them being heavily into Perryman as a free agent I can't see how they fit Luko in their cap.

 

[skittlebrew]

I'm pretty sure the AFL changed the rules after Bowes that clubs could no longer restructure incoming contacts.

Hopefully that means our first is definitely off the table

 

[Vader]

Team List for 2025


1 - Chayce Jones
2 - Ben Keays
3 - Sam Berry
4 - Lachlan Murphy
5 - Matt Crouch
6 - Dan Curtin
7 - Riley Thilthorpe
8 - Josh Rachele
9 - Luke Pedlar
10 - Charlie Edwards
11 - Jordan Dawson
12 - Taylor Walker
13 - Jake Soligo
14 - Brayden Cook
15 - Max Michalanney
16 - Zac Taylor
17 - Mitch Hinge
18 - Oscar Ryan
19 - Izak Rankine
20 - Josh Worrell
21 - Harry Schoenberg
22 - Luke Nankervis
23 - Nick Murray
24 - Rory laird
25 - Wayne Milera
26 - Billy Dowling
27 - Darcy Fogarty
28 - Brodie Smith
29 - James Borlase - Rookie
30 - Lachlan Sholl
31 - Toby Murray - Rookie
32 - Hugh Bond
33 - Jordan Butts
34 - Reilly O'Brien
35 - Isaac Cumming - Traded in
36 - Alex Neale Bullen - Traded in
37 - Jack Lukosius - Traded in

Is it 38 and 4 still.

So 3 Picks in draft and two Rookie Picks

How we get these three in without trading pick 4 i dont know. But i leave tht to the expeerts.

We're currently at 38+5 (37 if you include Sloane's retirement).

As things currently stand, we'd be able to take 1 pick in the ND and -1 picks in the RD.

Given the players we're looking at exiting, and the number of players we're expecting to trade/FA in, it's unlikely that we'll have any positions at all for making "live" picks in the RD.

 

[I Lost My Keays]

Team List for 2025


1 - Chayce Jones
2 - Ben Keays
3 - Sam Berry
4 - Lachlan Murphy
5 - Matt Crouch
6 - Dan Curtin
7 - Riley Thilthorpe
8 - Josh Rachele
9 - Luke Pedlar
10 - Charlie Edwards
11 - Jordan Dawson
12 - Taylor Walker
13 - Jake Soligo
14 - Brayden Cook
15 - Max Michalanney
16 - Zac Taylor
17 - Mitch Hinge
18 - Oscar Ryan
19 - Izak Rankine
20 - Josh Worrell
21 - Harry Schoenberg
22 - Luke Nankervis
23 - Nick Murray
24 - Rory laird
25 - Wayne Milera
26 - Billy Dowling
27 - Darcy Fogarty
28 - Brodie Smith
29 - James Borlase - Rookie
30 - Lachlan Sholl
31 - Toby Murray - Rookie
32 - Hugh Bond
33 - Jordan Butts
34 - Reilly O'Brien
35 - Isaac Cumming - Traded in
36 - Alex Neale Bullen - Traded in
37 - Jack Lukosius - Traded in

Is it 38 and 4 still.

So 3 Picks in draft and two Rookie Picks

How we get these three in without trading pick 4 i dont know. But i leave tht to the expeerts.

Cumming is a FA
ANB won’t cost us anywhere near pick 4
I reckon with Luko it’ll involve next years first with a reshuffle of picks

 

[rabidcrow]

I still think we're in the box seat with Luko.

I'm pretty sure the AFL changed the rules after Bowes that clubs could no longer restructure incoming contacts.

1 million is a pretty big price tag and given that Port are pushing out Houston there must be some sort of cap squeeze. So with them being heavily into Perryman as a free agent I can't see how they fit Luko in their cap.

Is it cap squeeze or brilliant/fortunate list management?
Perryman comes in at no cost and essentially picks up Houston wage and is not a major downgrade
Port get a first rounder - back in the draft or trading for other needs.


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[Crow till I die]

Is it cap squeeze or brilliant/fortunate list management?
Perryman comes in at no cost and essentially picks up Houston wage and is not a major downgrade
Port get a first rounder - back in the draft or trading for other needs.


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You bet, they have no problems forcing out a contracted player if it suits them and here they think they can snare a top 10 pick in this draft whilst Perryman will primarily cover Houstons role - so they might end up - if say St Kilda parted with their probable band 1 compo pick, a Lalor?, a Travaglia?...so yeah, if that was us I would be demanding they try to engineer that scenario

 

[hippyhippy]

I still think we're in the box seat with Luko.

I'm pretty sure the AFL changed the rules after Bowes that clubs could no longer restructure incoming contacts.

1 million is a pretty big price tag and given that Port are pushing out Houston there must be some sort of cap squeeze. So with them being heavily into Perryman as a free agent I can't see how they fit Luko in their cap.

Don't Perryman and Houston basically play the same position? So they just wanting some high end draft picks? I don't think anyone is going to bite.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I still think we're in the box seat with Luko.

I'm pretty sure the AFL changed the rules after Bowes that clubs could no longer restructure incoming contacts.

1 million is a pretty big price tag and given that Port are pushing out Houston there must be some sort of cap squeeze. So with them being heavily into Perryman as a free agent I can't see how they fit Luko in their cap.

I think you’ll find that not able to restructure Contracts only applies to the bidding process on Unrestricted FA

 

[Hang_Time]

Don't Perryman and Houston basically play the same position? So they just wanting some high end draft picks? I don't think anyone is going to bite.

Houston confirmed on a radio interview earlier he is staying at Port

 

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I think you’ll find that not able to restructure Contracts only applies to the bidding process on Unrestricted FA

Ah okay

I know that there was a massive uproar from other clubs about Geelong smoothing out Bowes' deal and clubs wanted it stamped out, sounds like the AFL didn't do anything about it.

The AFL will most probably wait until a non-Vic club tries to exploit it before they shut it down.

 

[Sizzlepack]

Houston confirmed on a radio interview earlier he is staying at Port

Yep. Think that fairly definitively puts us in the box seat for Lukosius now. With Houston staying, Port won't have the picks to satisfy Gold Coast.