List Mgmt. 2024 List Mismanagement and Trading

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Scorpus said:
My fear is Nicks ceiling is 7th or 8th, but 7th or 8th will see him retained as far as the eye can see
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That's as far as a you can go when you prioritise "effort" players over execution.

These effort players will never stand up I'm the heat of battle, because they know the results don't matter as long as you look like you're trying.
 
A left field ruck option. Peter Ladhams. His manager is John Meesen o_O:think::drunk:
 

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rabidcrow said:
That may well be true. But understandably the leaders at the club - particularly coaches - want to keep their jobs, and that won’t happen if we are bottom 4 again next year


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Whatever decisions are made should be geared towards developing a multi-year top 4 contending side. Unfortunately our version of a rebuild was only ever about competing for a spot in the finals till late on the year. We’re going to be irrelevant for years to come.
 
jenny61_99 said:
You need to understand the beast that is trade week. There are always two clubs involved, negotiations between us and the player, and us and the player's club. It's not like you can take your shopping list and go, "I'll have, you, you and you". We may well have the intentions to be aggressive, but other Clubs can soon put paid the that.
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That’s all well and good, but why open our mouths then to only end up with egg on our face?
 
Just musing, I think we will regret not trading out a player with some currency like a berry or keane this year as getting a 2nd rounder to pair with 27 for points to a side needing them for academy / f/s players to get back into the late 1st round should have been the attempted play in this draft. It may have got us Dodson or another quality mid.

Look for example keeping Keane is fine and he should further develop but aggressive clubs are prepared to give up value to get more value
 
Crow till I die said:
Just musing, I think we will regret not trading out a player with some currency like a berry or keane this year as getting a 2nd rounder to pair with 27 for points to a side needing them for academy / f/s players to get back into the late 1st round should have been the attempted play in this draft. It may have got us Dodson or another quality mid.

Look for example keeping Keane is fine and he should further develop but aggressive clubs are prepared to give up value to get more value
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Berry was the one to move on.

Would we really lose much by giving more midfield time to Dowling or Taylor next season?
 
steve9798 said:
If a 3-peat premiership coach doesn't rate him, why do we.
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You’d need to compare the alternatives to start with, Suns have a lot more talent on their list. Role value as well, does Dimma value a bruise free connector? We know our club has in the past, we probably still do. I doubt there’d be a spot in Dimma’s midfield for a slow accumulator that can’t spread or a spot in the back half for an undersized accumulator that chooses when to go and has poor disposal.
 
Mutineer said:

AFL trades 2024: Gold Coast, Jack Lukosius in candid conversations about key forward’s future​

Gold Coast football boss Wayne Campbell says the club is happy for Jack Lukosius to speak with rivals, but the Suns won’t be giving him away for nothing.

Gold Coast football boss Wayne Campbell has confirmed the club is happy for Jack Lukosius to speak with rivals about a possible trade – but only if the price is right.
Lukosius’s future has been a major talking point across the season. His name was first floated as a possible trade target early in the year, when rumours spread that the former No.2 draft pick was unhappy with his new role in defence under Damien Hardwick.

The South Australian soon returned to the forward line and began to rediscover his goalkicking form, including a five-goal haul in the Suns’ stunning romp over Geelong in Darwin.

But the 195cm key forward was dropped late in the season and that reignited speculation he could seek a trade, which was only amplified after news he had met with Adelaide coach Matthew Nicks.

On Tuesday this masthead revealed the Suns were staring down a list squeeze after the AFL rolled back the rookie list concessions that came as part of the 2019 assistance package that helped the club land Matt Rowell and Noah Anderson in that year’s national draft.

With some tough list calls to be made and careful manoeuvring to allow for the arrivals of Daniel Rioli, John Noble and Suns Academy starlet Leo Lombard, dealing Lukosius to a rival club could be in the best interest of both parties.

“Jack is at a really important stage of his career and it’s important for him to know what’s best for his footy as well,” Campbell told this masthead.

“Whilst we want the best for our club we also want what’s best for Jack.

“He’s spoken to a few other clubs – we’re aware of that and we’re OK with him doing that. If he decides that his future is elsewhere, whilst we would be sad we would understand.

“But we also would be more than happy for him to come back and play at the Gold Coast Suns.”

Lukosius is only 12 months removed from a 39-goal season and still has two years to run on his current contract.

Earlier this year, Champion Data rated the 24-year-old as the most efficient kick in the AFL.

His unique skill set has made him a valuable but difficult piece to fit within Damien Hardwick’s puzzle – so much so that last month the Suns coach conceded had not “got the best out of him yet”.

It is a conundrum the Suns are happy to continue trying to solve next season if no suitable offer comes that suits both the club and Lukosius.

“He wants to have a look around and we’re OK for him to have a look around but ultimately there is a business transaction that has to take place as well,” Campbell said.

“It feels like we’re at a reasonable position where it’s a mature discussion between club and player. There are no bridges that cannot be mended.”

Campbell also confirmed that small forward Malcolm Rosas and utility Jy Farrar had been given permission to speak with rival clubs ahead of the trade period.

“They’ve each got a year to go on their contracts and we’ve said to them that they are welcome to have a look around – but again, same as Jack, if it ends up that they remain at the club in 2025, then we’ll get to work and make them better players.”
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So... they have a list squeeze and a salary cap squeeze (with a huge offer to Mac Andrew, plus trading for Rioli & Noble).

... and they still expect people to believe that they'll only trade Luko if the price is right? Seriously. Do they expect anyone to swallow that bullshit?

This is absolutely a Bowes deal - and Adelaide should walk away if GC don't hand over one of their 1st round picks in return for us paying his full salary.
 

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Vader said:
So... they have a list squeeze and a salary cap squeeze (with a huge offer to Mac Andrew, plus trading for Rioli & Noble).

... and they still expect people to believe that they'll only trade Luko if the price is right? Seriously. Do they expect anyone to swallow that bullshit?

This is absolutely a Bowes deal - and Adelaide should walk away if GC don't hand over one of their 1st round picks in return for us paying his full salary.
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They're doing what we did in 2020 with Crouch. Dreaming of a juicy draft pick whilst pushing a player out.
Not going to happen.
 
We have a massive glut of mids. Really need to move someone on. This is a bit wild but Shol would be a great one to trade. Had a good year, value will never be higher. We are light on for wings but have to give something up to get into this draft and make list space.
Schoenberg should be on rookie list worst case, he won't make it.
If we draft a mid at pick 4 (which everyone assumes and hopes we will) then in the last 3 drafts we've drafted:

Edwards
Curtin
Taylor
Dowling
Soligo

Pedlar & Berry the year before that.

Big year for Pedlar & Berry next season, put up or get overtaken
 
TBM said:
We have long been lacking a ruthless edge.

10 days post completion of our season and not one delisting yet, I don't know what we're waiting for.
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Delisting them before trade week serves no worthwhile purpose. The issue isn't the timing of the delisting, it's that we're turning over so few.
 
1970crow said:
Delisting them before trade week serves no worthwhile purpose. The issue isn't the timing of the delisting, it's that we're turning over so few.
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Or our list manager is a used car salesmen... look at these shiny second hand players over here, we have contracts in front of them but they want to play for you! Parnell, McHenry, Himmelberg.. could completely change your club's tragectory... the difference. All this could be yours. Just two installments, one pick this year and one pick next year.

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Ideally we have to start really cutting out some middle men that aren't going to make it. If contracts weren't an issue this is who I'd be moving on:

Berry (don't get why we signed him)
Murphy (replaced by ANB, he doesn't need an understudy)
Hamill (don't lose much we haven't already got in Ryan / Nank)
Burgess (keep EH as backup but that's it)
McHenry
Schoenberg (won't make it)
Laird - try trade him
Milera - play him next year then trade
Smith
Parnell
Sholl - could trade him while his value is high, he has deficiencies in his game despite a good year. I don't see him as a premiership winger
Gollant - Had a perfect chance, did nothing. We have depth in KPF
Strachan - need to be replaced with a younger backup ruck who is capable
 
Trigger13 said:
It’s starting to become very clear we aren’t mass delisting the ‘dead wood’ because no one wants to come here.
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It's looking like minimal changes.

We needed to take a few risks and get some trades done. Obviously there really wasn't much interest in Berry and Keane but sometimes you have to push a few out.

Separate to this its hard to believe all Senior players like Crouch, Laird, Smith and Tex who have been a significant part of us missing the finals for seven years in a row are all just going around again.
 
Redline said:
It's looking like minimal changes.

We needed to take a few risks and get some trades done. Obviously there really wasn't much interest in Berry and Keane but sometimes you have to push a few out.

Separate to this its hard to believe all Senior players like Crouch, Laird, Smith and Tex who have been a significant part of us missing the finals for seven years in a row are all just going around again.
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We're backing in the boys.
 
Vader said:
So... they have a list squeeze and a salary cap squeeze (with a huge offer to Mac Andrew, plus trading for Rioli & Noble).

... and they still expect people to believe that they'll only trade Luko if the price is right? Seriously. Do they expect anyone to swallow that bullshit?

This is absolutely a Bowes deal - and Adelaide should walk away if GC don't hand over one of their 1st round picks in return for us paying his full salary.
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I am sure the negotiations are under way, he will eventually nominate someone once he is confident a trade will get done.

The issue this year with trading is no one wants to give up much. Just about every club can offer big dollars and long contracts but not many want to part with good picks.

I think we might end up walking away from Luko if we haven't already. Gold Coast won't do us any favours given our previous offers to him pushed his contract up.
 
Redline said:
That's fair, I feel like Strachan doesn’t really free up a spot though. It just means we need to go get another backup ruckman.
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I figure we are better off keeping Himmelberg as a backup ruckman than Strachan!

Then draft another young ruckman.
 
not sure if posted but crows stuff half way down. Kane really does hate Tex

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Why the likely Liam Baker trade shows the AFL has gone soft

Why would West Coast give up a top draft pick for Liam Baker when they could easily get him for free? The Eagles should play hard ball and give the Tigers nothing. But like so many other clubs, they seem reluctant to make the tough decisions.
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Where is the ruthless edge that once defined the AFL? Clubs are no longer willing to play hardball on trades, contract negotiations, honest feedback to players or even setting strict training standards.

Instead, we are witnessing a wave of softness and appeasement. Clubs are more interested in keeping everyone happy rather than chasing success at all costs. This shift is evident across the league – and there are a few glaring examples.

Why should the Eagles pay anything for Liam Baker?
Why should the Eagles pay anything for Liam Baker?Credit:Getty Images

Take West Coast’s pursuit of Liam Baker. Baker is out of contract and Richmond will demand a first-round draft pick to close the trade.

But why should West Coast give up anything? Richmond wouldn’t redraft Baker and North Melbourne are unlikely to take him, so they could simply claim Baker for free in the pre-season draft and keep their prized first-round pick.

It would acquire a high-quality player at no cost and send a message to the competition: West Coast will not be pushed around. After three seasons at rock bottom, they would finally be flexing their
muscles.

Instead, West Coast, at risk of offending the rival club or Baker’s management group, will cave in to Richmond’s demands.

At Adelaide, coach Matthew Nicks was due to come out of contract at the end of this season.

But the club board was generous in rewarding Nicks with a two-year contract extension at the start of the season because it did not want Nicks to face any scrutiny from the media.

It was another mistake from the underperforming club.


Adelaide started the season with five losses from its first six games and finished the season in the bottom four. It’s the seventh season in a row Adelaide has missed the finals, and Nicks is there for another two years.

Adelaide’s lack of ruthlessness is not limited to its handling of the coach. Former captain Taylor Walker is another beneficiary of the club’s nice approach. As he has done in the past, Walker applied pressure for a contract extension, which was granted and announced last week.

If Adelaide had been truly ruthless, it would have moved on from Walker. At his age, with a deteriorating back, he struggles to meet the demands of today’s game. Forcing him to retire would have allowed Adelaide’s young and dynamic forward line to flourish without his looming presence casting a shadow over the squad.

With a deteriorating back, Taylor Walker is struggling to meet the demands of today’s game.
With a deteriorating back, Taylor Walker is struggling to meet the demands of today’s game.Credit:via Getty Images

The Crows have clearly not learned from their mistakes with Rory Sloane. Despite his obvious physical limitations, they allowed Sloane to remain on the list this year, only for him to suffer an eye
injury and retire without playing a game this year.

It is clear Adelaide are afraid to make tough and sometimes unpopular decisions.

This is a far cry from the ruthless approach Malcolm Blight took when he became Crows coach in 1996. Blight wasted no time making hard calls, cutting club stalwarts, including captain Tony McGuinness, Chris McDermott, and Andrew Jarman.

Those decisions paved the way for Adelaide to win back-to-back premierships in 1997 and 1998.



Essendon were determined to be nice guys this season.
 
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