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AFLW 2024 - Round 6 - Chat, game threads, injury lists, team lineups and more.
Sharp would almost be one of my top picks this year if you were allowed to take him. That kid is a gun and W.A's Fred Rodriguez.Absolutely, top 5. Love Sharp for next year. SA’s midfield arguably as good as Metro, although Metro are rotating bigger numbers through there.
I like Reid but don't think we could pick him with our already fairly slow midfield that will be adding the two Campo boys too. Kicking skill is great but we do need a point of difference (Likely what we'll get with Cody Walker in 2026)Sharp would almost be one of my top picks this year if you were allowed to take him. That kid is a gun and W.A's Fred Rodriguez.
I know you cannot trust BF mock drafters but my god some of them had Murphy Reid outside of the top 15, that is beyond me. If he drifts anywhere outside the top 10, I would love Carlton to move up the order to obtain him.
Lombard, Drapar, FOS (have not seen him in the last year), Ashcroft, Smith - Those are going to be around the mark for top 7 or so players. Struggle to see them dropping too far. I have Murphy around those players.
I think Lombard and Drapar offer a little explosiveness that sets them apart but Murphy is one of the cleanest and smartest players in the draft. His kicking skills are elite as well, much better than most other options.
I loved Smillie at first but he is a little hit and miss at times. Would want him to improve his output.
Trainor - Seems one of the better defenders in the draft class, it is his closing speed and kicking skills that are great. Needs to work a little on his one on one work.
Travaglia - This kid is fun to watch and anyone that needs a mid sized defender would not go wrong here.
Berry - This is my pick for smart small forwards that long term I think have midfield ability
Hargrave - Another guy worth keeping an eye on as he might drift in the draft and I don't mind his ability.
Kako is fun for a lively small forward
There is not a lot of super top end talent, but there is enough there to get a solid player in the top 20. We've lost a number of BF posters in recent years, but the people posting at the moment, they have completely different ratings to my current thoughts.
Footskills equal speed. Reid is a major POD with most of the draft crop. Would not discount him if was available.I like Reid but don't think we could pick him with our already fairly slow midfield that will be adding the two Campo boys too. Kicking skill is great but we do need a point of difference (Likely what we'll get with Cody Walker in 2026)
Agree on Berry, think his ability to cleanly handle the ball and find it in traffic will translate to a midfield switch at some point. Really like him.
Barrett showed some serious X-Factor today as a pure small forward.
Lombard and Draper my two favourites of the 'top end' talent. FOS, Jagga, Smillie, Ashcroft etc just don't really excite me a lot after watching them a fair Ibit this year.
How did Jonty Faull go in his first game for VC? He might be the bargain KPP working his way back into the season.If Nick Daicos went pick 4, you hope most seasons there is a little discount on FS/Academy players unless obvious.
We may have to trade slightly up in the draft to secure a pick before Ben, assuming we have pick 18.
I'm looking for names in that late teens. Ben is an inside mid, Lucas is outside wing...
Harry Armstrong looked interesting and he could be a watch this space.
I did not love the Whitlocks but they might be around the mark as well, if we're looking long term for talls.
Your call on Hamish Davis is a good one, not sure he was used to the best of his abilities at the champs.
I love good ball users and Burke for W.A was also solid, just not sure he will go that high.
While I understand the merit of this concept, I think it's misguided when discussing our list. Hewett, Cripps, Kennedy and Cerra are all capable 'slow' mids. They can win their own ball, play defensively on other lumbering inside mids and retain the ball pretty well when they need to. What we lack (and this is why we've been using Cincotta as a tagger - an explosive, quick off the mark athlete) is someone with leg speed capable of creating space with their run or closing the gap on a quicker, nimbler opponent. If we win the majority of the contest it doesn't matter too much but it is a hole in the list. We generally don't have an answer to players like Warner, Daicos, Gulden etc in our regular on ball line up.Footskills equal speed. Reid is a major POD with most of the draft crop. Would not discount him if was available.
Yeah agree, think this is going to be one of those drafts where a lot of players who end up shining will have come from mid-late first/2nd rounders. The top 10 prospects don't really seem to be the most 'talented' in some cases, but they're the most consistent and professional. Think it's actually got a lot of similarities to the 2017 draft.There are many players to like in this draft, but most of them have a flaw or two or inconsistencies. I could mount a case for most of the highly rated players yet some considerable questions on almost all of them. Some of these would be prudent to overlook while the kids develop and some IMO threaten to reduce their output and therefore viability at the top of the order. Too many are selective in their efforts for me to regard this as a high quality draft, but history shows some of these types develop greater work ethics in the system, but more do not.
Not having a dig but weren't you quite a big fan of Moir last year? May I ask why if thats the way you're inclined? I'm admittedly the opposite in that while I do value workrate immensely, I'm still drawn to the x-factor types more than others, especially in certain positions. I was a big fan of Collard through the year and his impressive combine only furthered my interest.I am often tempted to try to do a legitimate draft, but realistically do not see enough of the players to formulate complete opinions not influenced by published opinions, highlight reels and first impressions. I have a habit of bias against the fleeting x-factor types without workrate. The game has moved that far that ability alone is less of a factor than in past eras.
I see much more than the majority of the five minute experts, but would love the time and resources to better assess more players.
Agreed, atm I just haven't seen one I'm convinced on yet. Plenty have shown signs of being potential stars but are far too sporadic in their output for mine. I'd prioritize a more consistent talent such as Travaglia, Berry, Lalor etc for that reason if they were at our pick before Ben and then look to select a tall with a later pick if possible while balancing the Campo bids. Not sure how it will play out at this stage though.The big questions I have is on our greatest need, key position prospects, particularly defenders. We are short on bankable depth and could part with much of that at season’s end. There are more forwards than defenders on offer at the moment. We need someone who will be ready to slot in beside Weitering in as little as a “couple” of years, and become leader of the pack in five or so. It is a special recruiter who can genuinely pick a gun KPD on limited underage showings.We don’t see enough of most of the prospects although I will take Cody Curtin next year thanks.
Struggling with the same thing atm. Each one can look a superstar one week and invisible the next.How do we seed the talls and where do they fit in? Trainor very high, Armstrong shot up today, the Whitlocks in the mix, Sims will have admirers and Harry O’Farrell had fans before injury. Nicholls, Welsh and Sheean have interest from SA along with ruckman Dodson. Allies’ Jobe Shanahan among the better tall forwards.
Some very very exciting talents in this draft for that position, I'm not sure I'd invest heavily into a pure small forward in the draft though. I like Berry for his projected versatility for that reason.A handful of exciting small forward, some mentioned in the posts above, and a couple of medium hybrids could enter first round calculations.
Yeah I agree with the Campo bid stuff, I think a Ben bid could come anywhere from 20-35. I don't think there will be a heap of clubs fawning over a player with his traits which would result in an early bid, despite him being a very solid prospect he's workmanlike and clubs know he's going to the Blues... Think they may overlook him for the most part in any of their plans.Plenty of talent difficult to assess, so where do Ben and Lucas fit in? The questions regularly raised over Ben’s kicking should deter most clubs not Carlton from bidding high. His tenacity and high possessions could put him in the teens, but I think we have just as much chance, or more of getting him with our second depending on rule revisions. Someone may reach for a genuine wing/half back like Lucas, but I can see him lasting well in to the draft with the variety of talent. Jack Ough and Day-Wicks are two wingers who probably are in front on the open market. I will be more than happy if/when we pick up both if we don’t have to overpay.
It's alright I enjoy ur contributions, bit of a task responding to so many separate points thoughSorry if this is disjointed, didn’t set out to cover so much, but what the hell? Probably have missed a couple of high prospects. May do something more ordered after the champs. finish. Liking the draft class, but would like the chance to study and assess the kids personally to offer a firm order.
I think we'd be looking to get up around pick 12-15. I reckon that would be safe range to get a pick in before Ben guaranteed (Barring some sort of SOS ambush)If Nick Daicos went pick 4, you hope most seasons there is a little discount on FS/Academy players unless obvious.
We may have to trade slightly up in the draft to secure a pick before Ben, assuming we have pick 18.
I'm looking for names in that late teens. Ben is an inside mid, Lucas is outside wing...
Harry Armstrong looked interesting and he could be a watch this space.
I did not love the Whitlocks but they might be around the mark as well, if we're looking long term for talls.
Your call on Hamish Davis is a good one, not sure he was used to the best of his abilities at the champs.
I love good ball users and Burke for W.A was also solid, just not sure he will go that high.
Yep, had some excellent moments. While he looks bigger is listed 192 cm. Certainly would have him in the mix as a defensive tall option, but didn’t highlight because of maybe not being genuine KPD size. Very small sample to judge ATM. Absolutely a close watch.The one that didn’t get mentioned amongst that list of names is Alix Tauru. Reminds me of James Sicily in how he plays.
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Big fan is a stretch. I certainly ended up picking him in Phantoms for us. Simply because there was sweet FA else around our picks on a needs basis. I salivated over his under age year, and he was underwhelming last year. His disposal and presence was the reason I loved him as an underager, as opposed to pure x-factor.Not having a dig but weren't you quite a big fan of Moir last year? May I ask why if thats the way you're inclined? I'm admittedly the opposite in that while I do value workrate immensely, I'm still drawn to the x-factor types more than others, especially in certain positions. I was a big fan of Collard through the year and his impressive combine only
I honestly have no idea what we will do, if anything, regarding getting another pick. It remains feasible we just draft the Campos and elevate Boyd while grabbing a rookie or three.I think we'd be looking to get up around pick 12-15. I reckon that would be safe range to get a pick in before Ben guaranteed (Barring some sort of SOS ambush)
Harry Armstrong reminds me a bit of that Jeremy Cameron and a taller Mark Lecras would replace Jack Silvagni.I really want us to take a tall with our first pick. However if taj hotton falls he would be my pick.
He is injured a fair bit. Kicks a lot of goals when he plays thoughHarry Armstrong is our pick he complete our forward line get around him also Barry Armstrong played for Carlton. Harry and The Camporeale boys.
While I understand the merit of this concept, I think it's misguided when discussing our list. Hewett, Cripps, Kennedy and Cerra are all capable 'slow' mids. They can win their own ball, play defensively on other lumbering inside mids and retain the ball pretty well when they need to. What we lack (and this is why we've been using Cincotta as a tagger - an explosive, quick off the mark athlete) is someone with leg speed capable of creating space with their run or closing the gap on a quicker, nimbler opponent. If we win the majority of the contest it doesn't matter too much but it is a hole in the list. We generally don't have an answer to players like Warner, Daicos, Gulden etc in our regular on ball line up.
It is not always a zero sum game, you might get the player with speed but you get someone who cannot kick (Dow)...I think this was actually very evident against Richmond yesterday, For all that we ended up pumping them by 10 goals, when they got the handball game going in the first half we were just watching our guys futilely chasing tail. Now, they built their list around that, and a particular style of play, and it worked for a while and while they had certain players at their peak. I don't think we need to go as all-in on it as they did. But it was clear that in a footrace, most of the matchups were going their way, and it was our structure and our ability to win the contested ball that came out on top in the end. Doesn't mean it wouldn't be handy to have one or two players who can comfortably chase down all but the absolute fastest of opponents, especially if said player or two buy in to the defensive focus of our gameplan.
Ability to find and win the ball. Dow and LOB both struggled with this. The Campos both seem to have no trouble wracking it up. Looks like they are both sliding for inconsistent players who have better highlights.It is not always a zero sum game, you might get the player with speed but you get someone who cannot kick (Dow)...
I still think the two key aspects you want from a player at AFL level is one touch and above average skills.
Yeah I don't think it's a massive issue but it's certainly a hole in our regular midfield mix. I think Cincotta will help a hell of a lot with that when we come up against Sydney, Collingwood, Brisbane etc as he's got the speed and agility needed for that role but someone like Urquhart who's a freakishly powerful athlete but a bit perhaps not the best 'footballer' wouldn't be a bad option imo. Have him in as that ready made enforcer type who can stick to his opponent like glue when needed.I think this was actually very evident against Richmond yesterday, For all that we ended up pumping them by 10 goals, when they got the handball game going in the first half we were just watching our guys futilely chasing tail. Now, they built their list around that, and a particular style of play, and it worked for a while and while they had certain players at their peak. I don't think we need to go as all-in on it as they did. But it was clear that in a footrace, most of the matchups were going their way, and it was our structure and our ability to win the contested ball that came out on top in the end. Doesn't mean it wouldn't be handy to have one or two players who can comfortably chase down all but the absolute fastest of opponents, especially if said player or two buy in to the defensive focus of our gameplan.
Nice prospect but a bit undersized for a KPD spot - probably better suited to a third tall role IMO.Yep, had some excellent moments. While he looks bigger is listed 192 cm. Certainly would have him in the mix as a defensive tall option, but didn’t highlight because of maybe not being genuine KPD size. Very small sample to judge ATM. Absolutely a close watch.
This is becoming an underrated skill as the ability to remain in the game/retain possession is obviously important. I feel that there's often value available as clubs reach for x-factor at the expense of function.Ability to find and win the ball. Dow and LOB both struggled with this. The Campos both seem to have no trouble wracking it up. Looks like they are both sliding for inconsistent players who have better highlights.
Twomey had him 193 last week.Yep, had some excellent moments. While he looks bigger is listed 192 cm. Certainly would have him in the mix as a defensive tall option, but didn’t highlight because of maybe not being genuine KPD size. Very small sample to judge ATM. Absolutely a close watch.