Rumour 2024 Rumours and Speculation Part 2

[Scorpus]

Spoiler: Older Rumors

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Rumors from September 30

• FiveAA claims we are after Scott Borlace, current Head of Development at Brisbane (link)
• Claims of Rory Sloane
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  heading to Melbourne Demons as a development coach, but maybe not before asking for a job at the Crows first?
• Inside Trading suggests we are interested in Gold Coast's pick 12 (link)
• Inside Trading also suggests Clayton Oliver
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  is possibly back on the trade table, but doesn't link him to any specific clubs

Rumors from October 1

• We have offered Darcy Fogarty
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  a five year contract extension early ahead of free agency (link)
• We are attempting to lure Graham Wright to our football department (link)

Rumors from October 2-3

• Graham Wright, who we are chasing as a head of football, is also being chased by Carlton for a CEO position (link)

Rumors from October 4-5

• Gettable claiming pick 25 for Neal-Bullen and a future 2nd for Peatling (link)

Rumors from October 6

• Tom Morris claims we are open to splitting pick 4 (link)

Rumor summary October 8

• Jon Ralph claims we are not prepared to use a future 2nd on Peatling (link)

Rumor summary October 9

• Graham Wright will not join Adelaide, instead taking up the Carlton CEO role (link)
• Tom Morris claims the Peatling trade will involve future 2nd and 3rd round picks, and we have offered him a four year deal at about $600k per season (link)
• Riley Beveridge claims we asked GWS if they were interested in one of our players in the Peatling trade (link)

Rumor summary October 10

• Collingwood are interested in Justin Reid as their new head of football (link)
• GWS want our future 2nd and pick 46 for Peatling (link)

Rumor summary October 11

• Poster claims we are attempting to lure Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera, maybe in 2025 (link)
• Tom Morris claims we will do the Peatling deal for pick 46 and a future 2nd provided there are other late pick swaps (link)

Rumor summary October 13

• Tom Morris suggests we have offered a trade involving a swap of future 2nds for Peatling (link)

Rumor summary October 15

• After West Coast got absolutely rogered, Cal Twomey claims we have offered either two future 3rds for Peatling, or a swap of 2nds and a future 3rd (link)
• We have interest in Sam Davidson from Richmond VFL (link)
• Mitch Cleary claims some GWS players are facing suspensions from the AFL due to behaviour at an end of season event (link)
• Brett Montgomery is staying at GWS, meaning we were unsuccessful at luring him (link)

Rumor summary October 16

• Stalemate on the Peatling trade as of 4pm, with us threatening to send him to the PSD (link)

 

[ATsince1973]

Where did Peatling come in the BnF?

Might be a good number to quote in the trade negs.


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[Tex Danger]

How about everyone stop wetting their pants ....unkown doesn't mean inferior .....we would have spoken to Fagan, Smythe, and Noble for background info

Don't get hungup on job title, wait till a job description is released ....example: Davis could be the conduit with other line coaches, SANFL, and Development Coaches .....easing the workload off Nicks, as well as being senior assistant

We just have no idea, people are guessing, and jumping the gun

That’s a good post, coaching director may not be above head coach but director of the coaching team, coordinator in a sense, to help the senior coach. Would equally make sense and fits the “right hand man” analogy.

 

[Tex Danger]

To his credit it sounds like Tim Silvers might have instigated it by himself.

What that says for the rest of the footy dept.......

Surely no coincidence the similarities people are making with Fagans path to hawthorn and role he then had there.

Silvers taking this from the hawks playbook, including the kind of experience seen as relevant/acceptable for the role

 

[CDC60]

Where did Peatling come in the BnF?

Might be a good number to quote in the trade negs.


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Top 5 were:

1. Hogan
2. Tom Green
2. Whitfield
4. Idun
5. Daniels

Given he didn't play a full season and was a regular sub I doubt he made Top 15 but that's hardly relevant

 

[Tex Danger]

Top 5 were:

1. Hogan
2. Tom Green
2. Whitfield
4. Idun
5. Daniels

Given he didn't play a full season and was a regular sub I doubt he made Top 15 but that's hardly relevant

Yeah using his b&f result in trade negotiations will get us laughed at and lose all credibility

He’s not sought after for his 2024 body of work, just a portion of it in the time he was given his chances and the signs he showed when sub prior to that and the expectations for the future

If anything you’d need to isolate his voting in the games he played in full, and possibly some where he was sub and may have still polled ok as he outperformed the role (and that being in the favour of gws using that not us)

 

[adelaidecrows]

Surely no coincidence the similarities people are making with Fagans path to hawthorn and role he then had there.

Silvers taking this from the hawks playbook, including the kind of experience seen as relevant/acceptable for the role

Only took him 5 years to do it.

 

[adelaidecrows]

Yeah using his b&f result in trade negotiations will get us laughed at and lose all credibility

He’s not sought after for his 2024 body of work, just a portion of it in the time he was given his chances and the signs he showed when sub prior to that and the expectations for the future

If anything you’d need to isolate his voting in the games he played in full, and possibly some where he was sub and may have still polled ok as he outperformed the role (and that being in the favour of gws using that not us)

I doubt any club would ever use the B&F results anyway. Clubs have different criteria to earn points. Everything on the table would be about his future potential and where he fits into the market.

 

[MarcusP2]

The tweet said coaching director

A role he has never held

ie learning on the job

So we should limit our search to the Brendan Boltons of the world? People already employed in the job we are advertising?

Shouldn't have employed Walsh?

 

[GreyCrow]

So we should limit our search to the Brendan Boltons of the world? People already employed in the job we are advertising?

Shouldn't have employed Walsh?

Poor strawman

 

[MarcusP2]

Poor strawman

Ok so what's your actual argument? Because it seems by your definition of 'never held = learning on the job=not a good candidate' means we should have poached someone doing the job. I can't really see many people in this position elsewhere. Bolton at the Pies.

Someone had to be the first to promote.

 

[mickfaxis]

Well that’s positive.

Could be.
Or it could be that he doesn't want to make it about himself at the B&F and announce he's staying so he'll just do it quietly tomorrow instead. Who knows? Maybe he's an introverted guy and didn't want the attention.
Obviously, I'm hoping that's not the case and he used the B&F to say his final goodbyes to staff and players.

 

[Gtowncrow]

What you reckon Fagan wouldn’t have endorsed him?

I think he might well have.

After a very long tenure as an assistant, Fagan was probably very supportive of a loyal and dedicated servant seeking promotion in the coaching world. Just like any master and apprentice scenario, the master is always happy to see his junior flourish if ambitious.

Thinking slightly bigger... getting involved at AFC is potentially a sound career move just now. Nicks is now only a short term proposition and a competent new assistant/director just might find himself well placed as a replacement.

 

[WetCrow1991]

100%... imagine if your workplace had to fire 3 people each year as a minimum.

I don't know about a minimum but plenty of workplaces let shitloads of contractors go every single year. One might say that that is the nature of being a contractor. AFL footballers are contractors. They, ideally, get a contract when they can perform a role that is required and they cease getting a contract when they are no longer required.

Some contractors are more temporary than others.

 

[GreyCrow]

Ok so what's your actual argument? Because it seems by your definition of 'never held = learning on the job=not a good candidate' means we should have poached someone doing the job. I can't really see many people in this position elsewhere. Bolton at the Pies.

Someone had to be the first to promote.

Depends on what you think Director of Coaching means - they run their eye over the coaching panel and program. They assess and move or promote people, they bring a strict top to bottom philosophy (within the senior coaches ideas) they may even give advice to the senior coach on what might work or might not work - they make sure constantly that everyone in the coaching group from senior coach to McPherson as development officer know and understand the roles they have

To me it means someone who has coached at the highest level. Imagine a line/development coach now telling a senior coach of 5 years how to suck eggs.

Thats my highest criteria. I know the field is thin but come on there should be someone available to run their eye over the coaching department

If you think its just someone who will manage all the little things that get brought up ie a conduit then wtf is Kelly doing? If its someone who will liaise with the coaching group and set up a clear on and off field plan - then thats the senior coaches role

Imagine this guy coming in and telling Burns he is no longer senior assistant

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I think he might well have.

After a very long tenure as an assistant, Fagan was probably very supportive of a loyal and dedicated servant seeking promotion in the coaching world. Just like any master and apprentice scenario, the master is always happy to see his junior flourish if ambitious.

Thinking slightly bigger... getting involved at AFC is potentially a sound career move just now. Nicks is now only a short term proposition and a competent new assistant/director just might find himself well placed as a replacement.

Remember, Fagan and Silvers have a very long association at HAW .....yes, no doubt, there have been conversations about Murray Davis & role suitability

 

[bettingonbetts]

So rumours floating that Peatling will announce today, correct?
I’m looking at it as a massive positive that he didn’t announce last night, but trying not to get too excited

 

[AFC979810]

So rumours floating that Peatling will announce today, correct?
I’m looking at it as a massive positive that he didn’t announce last night, but trying not to get too excited

I would suggest he is gone.

Surely if he was to announce - the B&F would be the perfect spot to do it.

 

[bettingonbetts]

I would suggest he is gone.

Surely if he was to announce - the B&F would be the perfect spot to do it.

Let’s hope there is an announcement today

 

[George Kramer]

Peatling may also want to sit on it another day to give the impression he hadn’t made his mind up when he attended the B&F and didn’t tell anyone.

 

[bettingonbetts]

Peatling may also want to sit on it another day to give the impression he hadn’t made his mind up when he attended the B&F and didn’t tell anyone.

Why would he do that?

 

[George Kramer]

Why would he do that?

“James we asked you for a decision yesterday before the B&F so we could announce your re-signing, but you said you were unsure and yet today you’ve told us your leaving, the morning after the B&F”

Now he might actually not give a shit about it but if there’s any semblance that this timeline doesn’t sit well with him, then holding off an extra day would kill off this type of criticism.

 

[Cromulant]

Waynus, how about this for an argument....

You're letting your emotions cloud your judgement.

Clearly I'm the only person looking at this from a sensible, emotionally disengaged position.

Not only that, but this is what I do for a living so I'm the only person here who is qualified to have a valid opinion so everyone else's opinion is wrong.

Maybe I should roll with this type of approach instead?

I don't think you are though, the way you jumped was not the work of an emotionally disengaged person.

 

[George Kramer]

So anyone tortured themselves and listened to Roo to hear what his actual role is?

 

[Cromulant]

So anyone tortured themselves and listened to Roo to hear what his actual role is?

He said nothing at all

 

[119others]

I doubt any club would ever use the B&F results anyway. Clubs have different criteria to earn points. Everything on the table would be about his future potential and where he fits into the market.

Perhaps it’s now outdated but Crows certainly did this once. In 2004, Stenglein requested a trade back to Eagles. He finished (I feel an artificially high) second in the B&F that year. Main point was Crows publicly pointed to this high finish in the B&F and demanded a very good pick from the Eagles and recd it - higher than expected at the time.