Rumour 2024 Rumours and Speculation Part 3

[George Kramer]

A civil conversation or a boxing match you would have won 9 out of 10 rounds?



You reported that Curtin wouldn't play against Port because Marco told you that - That was proved to be bullshit.
When Curtin was named in the team - you claimed he wouldn't be played across half back because Marco told you there was no matchup for him - That was proven to be bullshit.




You implying your conversation with Marco changed Curtin's development? Ha ha ha ha.



Just saying it sounds like maybe there is a different side to the story.




Not really a strange position.

You come out with insider info that proved to be 100% incorrect. I called you on it and suggested that you made it up (reasonable considering you were dead-set wrong) Happy to concede that you had a convo with Marco.

6 months later you come out out with your Marco Bello story. The way you told the story was douchey as can be. This combined with the fact that he gave you information that was 100% incorrect - leads me to believe that you maybe you lack self awareness - especially considering how you talk about how if your 'civil' conversation was a boxing match you would have won 9 out of 10 rounds and that he wasn't expecting someone to challenge him like you did.

You really are a Wally. Reference to a boxing match is an analogy as to how the areas we covered and the different views on the conversation, not that it was an aggressive fight. Funny you keep clinging to it. For example:

Marco we changed the gameplan as we couldn’t defend it.
Me yes you could we had the 9th best defence with a young defence.
Point me unless you think he’s right. No punches thrown.

Me, our drafting with first round picks has been poor.
Marco, give me some examples.
Jones and McHenry.
Jones finished top 10 last year.
Now he’s in the SANFL.
Another point to me you think? Again no aggression, no punches thrown. No blood noses.

Get my point or do I need to dumb it down even more for you?
Now you said he bullshitted to me for 10-15 minutes. Using these 2 points as an example do you think he actually thought we could defend and shouldn’t have changed our gameplan and that Jones really is a wasted pick? Should I go on.

I never said I had a source, you did. I said I spoke with someone, you kept harping on about the source. Now you agree because I’ve named him I did talk to someone.

Given his comments about Curtin most sane people would have taken from that he wasn’t playing at half back against Port given the development coach said there was no match up.

Never said I took credit for his change in development. But consider it another point one to me when it was actually a debate on why we were developing him as a defender and not a midfielder which Bello dismissed his midfield experience. Or do you think he was bullshitting about this too? 3-0, no blood noses, no punches thrown.

Oh one other point, he said we could still make finals, I said nah not at 0-4. Gees now we are up to 4-0.

Now this explanation might still not satisfy you. That’s ok, reckon everyone else is over us debating it but I’m sure most can get what I’m saying.

 

[spenze]

Oh dear..
Nobody's landed the knockout punch yet, a fight to the death ensues.

The only fight to the death I'm seeing is from those poor little velvets and Cruella De Mostyn wanting a new jacket

 

[AFC979810]

You really are a Wally. Reference to a boxing match is an analogy as to how the areas we covered and the different views on the conversation, not that it was an aggressive fight. Funny you keep clinging to it. For example:

Marco we changed the gameplan as we couldn’t defend it.
Me yes you could we had the 9th best defence with a young defence.
Point me unless you think he’s right. No punches thrown.

Me, our drafting with first round picks has been poor.
Marco, give me some examples.
Jones and McHenry.
Jones finished top 10 last year.
Now he’s in the SANFL.
Another point to me you think? Again no aggression, no punches thrown. No blood noses.

Get my point or do I need to dumb it down even more for you?
Now you said he bullshitted to me for 10-15 minutes. Using these 2 points as an example do you think he actually thought we could defend and shouldn’t have changed our gameplan and that Jones really is a wasted pick? Should I go on.

I never said I had a source, you did. I said I spoke with someone, you kept harping on about the source. Now you agree because I’ve named him I did talk to someone.

Given his comments about Curtin most sane people would have taken from that he wasn’t playing at half back against Port given the development coach said there was no match up.

Never said I took credit for his change in development. But consider it another point one to me when it was actually a debate on why we were developing him as a defender and not a midfielder which Bello dismissed his midfield experience. Or do you think he was bullshitting about this too? 3-0, no blood noses, no punches thrown.

Oh one other point, he said we could still make finals, I said nah not at 0-4. Gees now we are up to 4-0.

Now this explanation might still not satisfy you. That’s ok, reckon everyone else is over us debating it but I’m sure most can get what I’m saying.

Ha ha ha. The boxing analogy shows that you were keeping score (as you once again showed). Not that it's aggressive.

But happy to concede to your version of the story. Poor Marco just trying to get through a day of work at the SANFL game and old Elite Crow corners him into a conversation that he supposedly loves. Elite Crow then wins the friendly conversation 9 to 1 and Marco is surprised that Elite Crow is challenging his football knowledge with such amazing and insightful gems of brilliance. Elite Crow gives Marco many chances to exit the conversation, but Marco says no. Elite Crows friends then have to pull Elite away from Marco because they have already been stuck too long. The remaining fans then cheer and clap as the victorious Elite Crow leaves the ground.

Just curious as to why Marco told you that Curtin wouldn't play against Port and if there was no matchup against Port if they played him across Half Back? Especially when 5 days later - he played at HB against Port.

 

[FR0GGY]

.Just curious as to why Marco told you that Curtin wouldn't play against Port and if there was no matchup against Port if they played him across Half Back? Especially when 5 days later - he played at HB against Port.

Probably because they’re tactically inept and don’t have a clue.

 

[AFC979810]

Probably because they’re tactically inept and don’t have a clue.

But he did play against Port across Half Back despite telling Elite that he wouldn't a mere few days before he did.

Something doesn't add up.

 

[George Kramer]

But he did play against Port across Half Back despite telling Elite that he wouldn't a mere few days before he did.

Something doesn't add up.

It’s because you’re digging your heels in no matter how many times I’ve explained it. He never said “he won’t play at half back against Port”. He asked me where I would play him against Port, I said half back. He then named the Port half forwards, said they were all quick players and would you play Curtin on them? I said no, on Gorgiadis, he then said Gorgiadis plays deep justifying why they are playing Curtin deep in defence teaching him how to defend.

Based on his comments I took it he wouldn’t play at half back against Port.

Surely that’s not that hard to comprehend?

Why did he play half back against Port? Maybe as he had a good game against North, maybe they responded to the external noise calling for him to play. Maybe because Bello isn’t on the selection committee, I have no idea if he is or not. Maybe the selectors despite their misgivings thought they’d try him.

What we know is they picked him at half back. He played ok, was subbed out. Started against Brisbane, their fears were realised, he was subbed out. Was developed as midfielder afterwards, brought back in round 20 as a mid and hasn’t played half back for the seniors again.

Last time I’m going to explain it for you. If you don’t get it now you’re either not as bright as you think you are or you’re just downright stubborn and borrowing from my boxing analogy, trying to point score.

 

[FR0GGY]

But he did play against Port across Half Back despite telling Elite that he wouldn't a mere few days before he did.

Something doesn't add up.

Yes I’m saying they don’t know what they are doing.
Someone that knows what they are doing has clear plans.

 

[Mostyn]

Yes I’m saying they don’t know what they are doing.
Someone that knows what they are doing has clear plans.

Maybe we weren't necessarily telling strangers what our plans were - maybe we actually kept what we were planning inside the club?

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Maybe we weren't necessarily telling strangers what our plans were - maybe we actually kept what we were planning inside the club?

Maybe Curtin going from full back, to half back, to inside mid, to half forward in an 8 week period shows that we didn't have a clear plan

 

[FR0GGY]

Maybe we weren't necessarily telling strangers what our plans were - maybe we actually kept what we were planning inside the club?

I’m not basing it off one interaction with a stranger.

 

[Samcro24]

Maybe Curtin going from full back, to half back, to inside mid, to half forward in an 8 week period shows that we didn't have a clear plan

I liked it when he was sub practically all game vs geelong

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

I liked it when he was sub practically all game vs geelong

We had games to win and finals to make

Not a time for development

 

[Mostyn]

Maybe Curtin going from full back, to half back, to inside mid, to half forward in an 8 week period shows that we didn't have a clear plan

Or maybe we were developing the gaps in the game of a teenage kid.

Of course, what he did in the first few weeks of his career is all that matters, no point developing him for what he'll do in the future.

 

[Cromulant]

Or maybe we were developing the gaps in the game of a teenage kid.

Of course, what he did in the first few weeks of his career is all that matters, no point developing him for what he'll do in the future.

Im not sure why you keep digging up ??

Its not worked for you thus far.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Or maybe we were developing the gaps in the game of a teenage kid.

Of course, what he did in the first few weeks of his career is all that matters, no point developing him for what he'll do in the future.

What would it look like if we had no idea what we were doing and were making things up on fly, chopping and changing every 5 minutes?

I think we need to target an experienced footy head to come in, sit above Nicks, and make sure that there is some real clarity and consistency with what we are doing.

 

[FR0GGY]

I liked it when he was sub practically all game vs geelong

You’re forgetting that he got 6 valuable minutes and the coach said in the press conference how much faith he had in him.

 

[Mostyn]

Im not sure why you keep digging up ??

Its not worked for you thus far.

That's another strange comment from you. You're getting a bit of a reputation.

 

[Cromulant]

That's another strange comment from you. You're getting a bit of a reputation.

That's a weird comment from someone who already has a poor one.

 

[Mostyn]

What would it look like if we had no idea what we were doing and were making things up on fly, chopping and changing every 5 minutes?

I think we need to target an experienced footy head to come in, sit above Nicks, and make sure that there is some real clarity and consistency with what we are doing.

Or we could draft a kid with massive upside but clear holes in his game - such as his one on one defense.

Then he could work on that over a few games at the start of his career, so he has the tools to be a success.

I'm not sure why teenage players working on the gaps in their game is such an issue.

 

[Mostyn]

That's a weird comment from someone who already has a poor one.

No, it's just someone pointing out that you're making strange comments on multiple threads. Getting a bit of weird vibe from you.

 

[Cromulant]

No, it's just someone pointing out that you're making strange comments on multiple threads. Getting a bit of weird vibe from you.

I think you need to find a little self awareness my friend, this entire thread is you writing cheques you can't cash.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Or we could draft a kid with massive upside but clear holes in his game - such as his one on one defense.

Then he could work on that over a few games at the start of his career, so he has the tools to be a success.

I'm not sure why teenage players working on the gaps in their game is such an issue.

Butts injured, Borlase into the AFL team

No tall defenders in SANFL. Curtin goes to full back. "Needs to work on his defending"

Butts returns from injury via the SANFL. Plays full back. Curtin moves up the field. I guess he fixed it. Doesn't need to work on his defending anymore.

What a coincidence that Butts was back the very week that Curtin stopped needing to learn at full back.

The "holes" are in our coaching group, which is why Rahilly was such a big loss and why we've targeted the Brisbane guy.

You've mentioned plenty of times that we're under-resourced in our coaching ranks. Poor coaching groups make poor decisions. It's no mystery. These are your own thoughts so it's strange that you disagree with them.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Maybe we weren't necessarily telling strangers what our plans were - maybe we actually kept what we were planning inside the club?

About as likely as Baldrick having a cunning plan...

 

[Mostyn]

Butts injured, Borlase into the AFL team

No tall defenders in SANFL. Curtin goes to full back. "Needs to work on his defending"

Butts returns from injury via the SANFL. Plays full back. Curtin moves up the field. I guess he fixed it. Doesn't need to work on his defending anymore.

What a coincidence that Butts was back the very week that Curtin stopped needing to learn at full back.

The "holes" are in our coaching group, which is why Rahilly was such a big loss and why we've targeted the Brisbane guy.

You've mentioned plenty of times that we're under-resourced in our coaching ranks. Poor coaching groups make poor decisions. It's no mystery. These are your own thoughts so it's strange that you disagree with them.

He needed to work on his one on one defense.

It wasn't about just learning one position, and then he's set in that for all time. It was about developing his individual skillset - he couldn't keep playing defense like he did against Ah Chee, and he can't learn that in the AFL without destroying his confidence. There's a reason you have the reserves.

FWIW, I thought it was the right thing when they had Tex and Fogarty work on their defense in the SANFL as well. You can't just run one way in the AFL and not have defensive skills.

None of those players were in defense in the SANFL because our reserves team needed a defender - I genuinely think we don't care about the reserves side in that way.

But hey, that's just my view.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

He needed to work on his one on one defense.

It wasn't about just learning one position, and then he's set in that for all time. It was about developing his individual skillset - he couldn't keep playing defense like he did against Ah Chee, and he can't learn that in the AFL without destroying his confidence. There's a reason you have the reserves.

FWIW, I thought it was the right thing when they had Tex and Fogarty work on their defense in the SANFL as well. You can't just run one way in the AFL and not have defensive skills.

None of those players were in defense in the SANFL because our reserves team needed a defender - I genuinely think we don't care about the reserves side in that way.

But hey, that's just my view.

I hate to break it to you, but he played full back on that Glenelg behemoth because he was our tallest available defender that week.

And he moved away from there as soon as we had another option. No other vision or planning involved. As simple as that.

Needs to work on his key defending was just us desperately trying to justify what was simply a "win this Saturday" decision - which all of our decisions are.

Yeah, no shit a young players need to work on stuff. Typically clubs with a clue keeps things simple for young players rather than shunting them all over the place. They work on a few things over a period of time. Rather than every single thing in a short space of time