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I can see both as an advantage. Momentum is hard to start again when you lose it. This draft is so even I'm not sure it will be the devastating blow it would have been last year.
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I can see both as an advantage. Momentum is hard to start again when you lose it. This draft is so even I'm not sure it will be the devastating blow it would have been last year.
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How the Saints can lose this Battle, but win the war
St Kilda could net early first-round compensation if Josh Battle leaves, so it may just be in the Saints’ best interests to let him walk.
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How the Saints can lose this Battle, but win the war.
St Kilda’s desire to retain Josh Battle and keep him from defecting to Hawthorn, the team he grew up following, is reflected in their willingness to hand the tall back a six-year deal on substantial dollars.
St Kilda have been informed that Battle has put off a decision on his future until the end of this season, and while many in the industry still think he will stick with the Saints, that he has left the decision still open to this point is a measure of some indecision or genuine contemplation of leaving.
![St Kilda president Andrew Bassat (right) embraces [PLAYERCARD]Josh Battle[/PLAYERCARD] following the Saints’ win over the Swans.](data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7 "St Kilda president Andrew Bassat (right) embraces [PLAYERCARD]Josh Battle[/PLAYERCARD] following the Saints’ win over the Swans.")
St Kilda president Andrew Bassat (right) embraces Josh Battle following the Saints’ win over the Swans.CREDIT:AFL PHOTOS
If the St Kilda offer exceeds $800,000 per season, and has a term of six years, Hawthorn would have to top that to have any realistic hope of landing Battle. This apparent auction for the defender is much like the battle for Ben McKay, though Battle is an unrestricted free agent.
Battle is a good, but not exceptional, footballer. Standing 193 centimetres, he is not quite key-position height, which arguably makes him less valuable than the 200-plus-centimetre McKay. But, like the Essendon recruit, Battle has benefited from the sheer scarcity of free agents – and tall backs in particular – in the marketplace.
Ross Lyon is a fan of Battle, who has been a cornerstone of Lyon’s trademark boa constrictor defence and counter-attack method; Lyon, understandably, would not want to give up a mid-20s core player who can be counted on to perform most weeks.
But, from what one can gather from a source familiar with the ballpark of Battle’s offer (and who can’t go on record about a player’s contract), the Hawthorn six-year offer will be close to the level that would command a first-round draft pick.
To borrow from the Canadian writer, Naomi Klein (speaking of climate change’s socio-political ramifications), this changes everything.
It therefore follows that, should Battle choose gold and brown, the Saints would potentially gain an additional top-five or six draft pick.
Provided the Hawthorn offer was sufficient for a first-round compensation pick, St Kilda’s best interests would be served by letting Battle leave and taking the pick, which would see the Saints enter the national draft with a pair of picks inside the top six or seven. On the pre-round 18 ladder, they would have picks 5 and 6.
Why let Battle go? St Kilda’s midfield is further from premiership quality than almost any team, lacking A-graders and class. Jack Steele is a decent extractor and it’s conceivable that Mattaes Phillipou will become a mid (Darcy Wilson appears to be a natural wing), but the Saints don’t have anyone of the calibre of Zak Butters/Connor Rozee/Jason Horne-Francis, nothing comparable to Patrick Cripps/Sam Walsh, or as blatantly gifted as North’s young onballers.
St Kilda president Andrew Bassat has been howling to the moon about the compromises to the draft – and the alleged undermining of his club’s access to top-end talent – wrought by northern academies and father-son recruits.
Well, here’s an opportunity for the Saints to take advantage of another questionable draft rule that has already been ruthlessly exploited by clubs such as Melbourne (see James Frawley, 2014) and North Melbourne (McKay, who North did not make an offer to, in 2023).
Just as Frawley wasn’t within cooee of pick No.3 (Angus Brayshaw) in genuine draft value and McKay wasn’t in the class of the compensation pick (No.3) North gained (or gamed), to obtain a top six or seven pick for Battle, merely a good solid footballer, would be like getting a Mercedes price for selling a reliable Ford Falcon.
The upcoming draft doesn’t contain a Harley Reid or Nick Daicos standout, according to the recruiting fraternity, but it has the advantage of being pretty even – with half a dozen or more hot midfield prospects – plus intercepting tall back Luke Trainor, who lives within a short walk of St Kilda’s home base at Linton Street(and who has potent familial bonds with North Melbourne).
The Saints, thus, stand to gain either two midfielders of some quality – potentially filling a vast hole in the long term. Or they might draft one of the midfield tyros, plus Trainor, if he’s still there.
Battle knows Jarryd Roughead, who left the Saints to return to the safer surrounds of his Hawthorn homeland, and only has to watch the Hawks over the past two months to see what Mitchell’s crew might achieve over the next five years. Hawthorn isn’t a hard sell, either, for a player who grew up in Doveton – not too far from Dingley, the imminent Hawk headquarters.
This column doesn’t know what impact Battle’s exit would have on team fabric and internal dynamics. What is clear is that Lyon has a defensive method that works, regardless, and that the midfield need is paramount.
St Kilda, for all that club’s blunders and notorious own goals over the years, is showing an appreciation of the reality that a) their list isn’t up to scratch yet, and b) that they have to rely primarily on the draft – as opposed to trading in seasoned recruits – to get anywhere.
In Josh Battle, pick 39 in the 2016 national draft, they’ve unexpectedly found a serious bargaining chip, who can deliver more to the St Kilda Football Club if he leaves at the right price. Lose this Battle and you can win the war, Saints.
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St Kilda’s desire to retain Josh Battle and keep him from defecting to Hawthorn, the team he grew up following, is reflected in their willingness to hand the tall back a six-year deal on substantial dollars.
St Kilda have been informed that Battle has put off a decision on his future until the end of this season, and while many in the industry still think he will stick with the Saints, that he has left the decision still open to this point is a measure of some indecision or genuine contemplation of leaving.
St Kilda president Andrew Bassat (right) embraces Josh Battle following the Saints’ win over the Swans.CREDIT:AFL PHOTOS
If the St Kilda offer exceeds $800,000 per season, and has a term of six years, Hawthorn would have to top that to have any realistic hope of landing Battle. This apparent auction for the defender is much like the battle for Ben McKay, though Battle is an unrestricted free agent.
Battle is a good, but not exceptional, footballer. Standing 193 centimetres, he is not quite key-position height, which arguably makes him less valuable than the 200-plus-centimetre McKay. But, like the Essendon recruit, Battle has benefited from the sheer scarcity of free agents – and tall backs in particular – in the marketplace.
Ross Lyon is a fan of Battle, who has been a cornerstone of Lyon’s trademark boa constrictor defence and counter-attack method; Lyon, understandably, would not want to give up a mid-20s core player who can be counted on to perform most weeks.
But, from what one can gather from a source familiar with the ballpark of Battle’s offer (and who can’t go on record about a player’s contract), the Hawthorn six-year offer will be close to the level that would command a first-round draft pick.
To borrow from the Canadian writer, Naomi Klein (speaking of climate change’s socio-political ramifications), this changes everything.
It therefore follows that, should Battle choose gold and brown, the Saints would potentially gain an additional top-five or six draft pick.
Provided the Hawthorn offer was sufficient for a first-round compensation pick, St Kilda’s best interests would be served by letting Battle leave and taking the pick, which would see the Saints enter the national draft with a pair of picks inside the top six or seven. On the pre-round 18 ladder, they would have picks 5 and 6.
Why let Battle go? St Kilda’s midfield is further from premiership quality than almost any team, lacking A-graders and class. Jack Steele is a decent extractor and it’s conceivable that Mattaes Phillipou will become a mid (Darcy Wilson appears to be a natural wing), but the Saints don’t have anyone of the calibre of Zak Butters/Connor Rozee/Jason Horne-Francis, nothing comparable to Patrick Cripps/Sam Walsh, or as blatantly gifted as North’s young onballers.
St Kilda president Andrew Bassat has been howling to the moon about the compromises to the draft – and the alleged undermining of his club’s access to top-end talent – wrought by northern academies and father-son recruits.
Well, here’s an opportunity for the Saints to take advantage of another questionable draft rule that has already been ruthlessly exploited by clubs such as Melbourne (see James Frawley, 2014) and North Melbourne (McKay, who North did not make an offer to, in 2023).
Just as Frawley wasn’t within cooee of pick No.3 (Angus Brayshaw) in genuine draft value and McKay wasn’t in the class of the compensation pick (No.3) North gained (or gamed), to obtain a top six or seven pick for Battle, merely a good solid footballer, would be like getting a Mercedes price for selling a reliable Ford Falcon.
The upcoming draft doesn’t contain a Harley Reid or Nick Daicos standout, according to the recruiting fraternity, but it has the advantage of being pretty even – with half a dozen or more hot midfield prospects – plus intercepting tall back Luke Trainor, who lives within a short walk of St Kilda’s home base at Linton Street(and who has potent familial bonds with North Melbourne).
The Saints, thus, stand to gain either two midfielders of some quality – potentially filling a vast hole in the long term. Or they might draft one of the midfield tyros, plus Trainor, if he’s still there.
Battle knows Jarryd Roughead, who left the Saints to return to the safer surrounds of his Hawthorn homeland, and only has to watch the Hawks over the past two months to see what Mitchell’s crew might achieve over the next five years. Hawthorn isn’t a hard sell, either, for a player who grew up in Doveton – not too far from Dingley, the imminent Hawk headquarters.
This column doesn’t know what impact Battle’s exit would have on team fabric and internal dynamics. What is clear is that Lyon has a defensive method that works, regardless, and that the midfield need is paramount.
The only absolute imperative here is that the Saints have 100 per cent certainty that they will receive a first-round compensation for Battle; if they are getting an end-of-first-rounder – closer to his actual worth, incidentally – then they have to prioritise keeping him.St Kilda, for all that club’s blunders and notorious own goals over the years, is showing an appreciation of the reality that a) their list isn’t up to scratch yet, and b) that they have to rely primarily on the draft – as opposed to trading in seasoned recruits – to get anywhere.
In Josh Battle, pick 39 in the 2016 national draft, they’ve unexpectedly found a serious bargaining chip, who can deliver more to the St Kilda Football Club if he leaves at the right price. Lose this Battle and you can win the war, Saints.
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Yeh let's let a known attacking CHB go when clubs are holding onto the CHBs they do have so we can go to the draft and get a KPB.
Oh and as an added note this draft is so even you don't even need a top 5 pick and there's no Harley Reid level of elite here.
This club never ceases to amaze.
Oh and as an added note this draft is so even you don't even need a top 5 pick and there's no Harley Reid level of elite here.
This club never ceases to amaze.
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you do knowbthe difference between a journalist and a club spokes person dont you? lol
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This guy wrote this article based on exactly what we have been saying on here. Almost every point we’ve discussed has been mentioned.How the Saints can lose this Battle, but win the war.
St Kilda’s desire to retain Josh Battle and keep him from defecting to Hawthorn, the team he grew up following, is reflected in their willingness to hand the tall back a six-year deal on substantial dollars.
St Kilda have been informed that Battle has put off a decision on his future until the end of this season, and while many in the industry still think he will stick with the Saints, that he has left the decision still open to this point is a measure of some indecision or genuine contemplation of leaving.
St Kilda president Andrew Bassat (right) embraces Josh Battle following the Saints’ win over the Swans.CREDIT:AFL PHOTOS
If the St Kilda offer exceeds $800,000 per season, and has a term of six years, Hawthorn would have to top that to have any realistic hope of landing Battle. This apparent auction for the defender is much like the battle for Ben McKay, though Battle is an unrestricted free agent.
Battle is a good, but not exceptional, footballer. Standing 193 centimetres, he is not quite key-position height, which arguably makes him less valuable than the 200-plus-centimetre McKay. But, like the Essendon recruit, Battle has benefited from the sheer scarcity of free agents – and tall backs in particular – in the marketplace.
Ross Lyon is a fan of Battle, who has been a cornerstone of Lyon’s trademark boa constrictor defence and counter-attack method; Lyon, understandably, would not want to give up a mid-20s core player who can be counted on to perform most weeks.
But, from what one can gather from a source familiar with the ballpark of Battle’s offer (and who can’t go on record about a player’s contract), the Hawthorn six-year offer will be close to the level that would command a first-round draft pick.
To borrow from the Canadian writer, Naomi Klein (speaking of climate change’s socio-political ramifications), this changes everything.
It therefore follows that, should Battle choose gold and brown, the Saints would potentially gain an additional top-five or six draft pick.
Provided the Hawthorn offer was sufficient for a first-round compensation pick, St Kilda’s best interests would be served by letting Battle leave and taking the pick, which would see the Saints enter the national draft with a pair of picks inside the top six or seven. On the pre-round 18 ladder, they would have picks 5 and 6.
Why let Battle go? St Kilda’s midfield is further from premiership quality than almost any team, lacking A-graders and class. Jack Steele is a decent extractor and it’s conceivable that Mattaes Phillipou will become a mid (Darcy Wilson appears to be a natural wing), but the Saints don’t have anyone of the calibre of Zak Butters/Connor Rozee/Jason Horne-Francis, nothing comparable to Patrick Cripps/Sam Walsh, or as blatantly gifted as North’s young onballers.
St Kilda president Andrew Bassat has been howling to the moon about the compromises to the draft – and the alleged undermining of his club’s access to top-end talent – wrought by northern academies and father-son recruits.
Well, here’s an opportunity for the Saints to take advantage of another questionable draft rule that has already been ruthlessly exploited by clubs such as Melbourne (see James Frawley, 2014) and North Melbourne (McKay, who North did not make an offer to, in 2023).
Just as Frawley wasn’t within cooee of pick No.3 (Angus Brayshaw) in genuine draft value and McKay wasn’t in the class of the compensation pick (No.3) North gained (or gamed), to obtain a top six or seven pick for Battle, merely a good solid footballer, would be like getting a Mercedes price for selling a reliable Ford Falcon.
The upcoming draft doesn’t contain a Harley Reid or Nick Daicos standout, according to the recruiting fraternity, but it has the advantage of being pretty even – with half a dozen or more hot midfield prospects – plus intercepting tall back Luke Trainor, who lives within a short walk of St Kilda’s home base at Linton Street(and who has potent familial bonds with North Melbourne).
The Saints, thus, stand to gain either two midfielders of some quality – potentially filling a vast hole in the long term. Or they might draft one of the midfield tyros, plus Trainor, if he’s still there.
Battle knows Jarryd Roughead, who left the Saints to return to the safer surrounds of his Hawthorn homeland, and only has to watch the Hawks over the past two months to see what Mitchell’s crew might achieve over the next five years. Hawthorn isn’t a hard sell, either, for a player who grew up in Doveton – not too far from Dingley, the imminent Hawk headquarters.
This column doesn’t know what impact Battle’s exit would have on team fabric and internal dynamics. What is clear is that Lyon has a defensive method that works, regardless, and that the midfield need is paramount.
The only absolute imperative here is that the Saints have 100 per cent certainty that they will receive a first-round compensation for Battle; if they are getting an end-of-first-rounder – closer to his actual worth, incidentally – then they have to prioritise keeping him.
St Kilda, for all that club’s blunders and notorious own goals over the years, is showing an appreciation of the reality that a) their list isn’t up to scratch yet, and b) that they have to rely primarily on the draft – as opposed to trading in seasoned recruits – to get anywhere.
In Josh Battle, pick 39 in the 2016 national draft, they’ve unexpectedly found a serious bargaining chip, who can deliver more to the St Kilda Football Club if he leaves at the right price. Lose this Battle and you can win the war, Saints.
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I think he needs to credit us.
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I was thinking he’s not saying anything I haven’t already heard lol.This guy wrote this article based on exactly what we have been saying on here. Almost every point we’ve discussed has been mentioned.
I think he needs to credit us.
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How the Saints can lose this Battle, but win the war.
St Kilda’s desire to retain Josh Battle and keep him from defecting to Hawthorn, the team he grew up following, is reflected in their willingness to hand the tall back a six-year deal on substantial dollars.
St Kilda have been informed that Battle has put off a decision on his future until the end of this season, and while many in the industry still think he will stick with the Saints, that he has left the decision still open to this point is a measure of some indecision or genuine contemplation of leaving.
St Kilda president Andrew Bassat (right) embraces Josh Battle following the Saints’ win over the Swans.CREDIT:AFL PHOTOS
If the St Kilda offer exceeds $800,000 per season, and has a term of six years, Hawthorn would have to top that to have any realistic hope of landing Battle. This apparent auction for the defender is much like the battle for Ben McKay, though Battle is an unrestricted free agent.
Battle is a good, but not exceptional, footballer. Standing 193 centimetres, he is not quite key-position height, which arguably makes him less valuable than the 200-plus-centimetre McKay. But, like the Essendon recruit, Battle has benefited from the sheer scarcity of free agents – and tall backs in particular – in the marketplace.
Ross Lyon is a fan of Battle, who has been a cornerstone of Lyon’s trademark boa constrictor defence and counter-attack method; Lyon, understandably, would not want to give up a mid-20s core player who can be counted on to perform most weeks.
But, from what one can gather from a source familiar with the ballpark of Battle’s offer (and who can’t go on record about a player’s contract), the Hawthorn six-year offer will be close to the level that would command a first-round draft pick.
To borrow from the Canadian writer, Naomi Klein (speaking of climate change’s socio-political ramifications), this changes everything.
It therefore follows that, should Battle choose gold and brown, the Saints would potentially gain an additional top-five or six draft pick.
Provided the Hawthorn offer was sufficient for a first-round compensation pick, St Kilda’s best interests would be served by letting Battle leave and taking the pick, which would see the Saints enter the national draft with a pair of picks inside the top six or seven. On the pre-round 18 ladder, they would have picks 5 and 6.
Why let Battle go? St Kilda’s midfield is further from premiership quality than almost any team, lacking A-graders and class. Jack Steele is a decent extractor and it’s conceivable that Mattaes Phillipou will become a mid (Darcy Wilson appears to be a natural wing), but the Saints don’t have anyone of the calibre of Zak Butters/Connor Rozee/Jason Horne-Francis, nothing comparable to Patrick Cripps/Sam Walsh, or as blatantly gifted as North’s young onballers.
St Kilda president Andrew Bassat has been howling to the moon about the compromises to the draft – and the alleged undermining of his club’s access to top-end talent – wrought by northern academies and father-son recruits.
Well, here’s an opportunity for the Saints to take advantage of another questionable draft rule that has already been ruthlessly exploited by clubs such as Melbourne (see James Frawley, 2014) and North Melbourne (McKay, who North did not make an offer to, in 2023).
Just as Frawley wasn’t within cooee of pick No.3 (Angus Brayshaw) in genuine draft value and McKay wasn’t in the class of the compensation pick (No.3) North gained (or gamed), to obtain a top six or seven pick for Battle, merely a good solid footballer, would be like getting a Mercedes price for selling a reliable Ford Falcon.
The upcoming draft doesn’t contain a Harley Reid or Nick Daicos standout, according to the recruiting fraternity, but it has the advantage of being pretty even – with half a dozen or more hot midfield prospects – plus intercepting tall back Luke Trainor, who lives within a short walk of St Kilda’s home base at Linton Street(and who has potent familial bonds with North Melbourne).
The Saints, thus, stand to gain either two midfielders of some quality – potentially filling a vast hole in the long term. Or they might draft one of the midfield tyros, plus Trainor, if he’s still there.
Battle knows Jarryd Roughead, who left the Saints to return to the safer surrounds of his Hawthorn homeland, and only has to watch the Hawks over the past two months to see what Mitchell’s crew might achieve over the next five years. Hawthorn isn’t a hard sell, either, for a player who grew up in Doveton – not too far from Dingley, the imminent Hawk headquarters.
This column doesn’t know what impact Battle’s exit would have on team fabric and internal dynamics. What is clear is that Lyon has a defensive method that works, regardless, and that the midfield need is paramount.
The only absolute imperative here is that the Saints have 100 per cent certainty that they will receive a first-round compensation for Battle; if they are getting an end-of-first-rounder – closer to his actual worth, incidentally – then they have to prioritise keeping him.
St Kilda, for all that club’s blunders and notorious own goals over the years, is showing an appreciation of the reality that a) their list isn’t up to scratch yet, and b) that they have to rely primarily on the draft – as opposed to trading in seasoned recruits – to get anywhere.
In Josh Battle, pick 39 in the 2016 national draft, they’ve unexpectedly found a serious bargaining chip, who can deliver more to the St Kilda Football Club if he leaves at the right price. Lose this Battle and you can win the war, Saints.
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Oh hoo bloody ray. We lose a good player and its great that we get just one of those picks that Norfs and Suns have so many of.
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Well this is interesting.
we have far more problems then a few slurs, will get weeks
Why?
Interesting phrasing by yourself. Do you have problem with same sex parents?
If Lance offended, then he will get some form of penalty.
More so if it was directed at him. I think rightly or wrongly it could end up with a very lengthy suspension.
Edit Sorry, upon reading that back it doesn't sound great. I meant it may have hit home pretty hard to Riley due to his family.
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Remainder of the season for me. 6 or 7 weeks, not sure. Finlayson got 5, collard should get more.
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So a raw, young, first year player should be hung drawn and quartered (yes there should be some education-based suspension) whilst an experienced, bitter and twisted, arrogant coach with a really nasty tongue, who heads up a club and who should in fact know better, gets a fine and suspended sentence.
Make it make sense.
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Dont forget that Clark also had to do some online education module that he ignored until someone in the media reported he hadn't competed it and was shamed into doing it.
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Also a recidivist…with some very murky recent history at Hawthorn.Dont forget that Clark also had to do some online education module that he ignored until someone in the media reported he hadn't competed it and was shamed into doing it.
Now, I’m not definitively saying he was guilty of what happened there, but you know, if it walks like a duck, it’s a duck.
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That has been widely known since he was drafted, hardly that shocking either, though I suppose it is unusual for footy players, like Jason Akermanis having a deaf wife or whatever.
