List Mgmt. 2024 Trade Thread - No.1

[ScrappyDo]

Still reckon he'd be a goal kicking bull if thrown into the centre (not the wing, but actual centre) reckon him alternating with Steele in the forward line would be a great look.

Hmm. Too top heavy IMO. Chito and Pou are more the go.

 

[70s sainter]

Still reckon he'd be a goal kicking bull if thrown into the centre (not the wing, but actual centre) reckon him alternating with Steele in the forward line would be a great look.

Imagine if he went to a club and blossomed into the next cripps haha

 

[70s sainter]

To me battle just isn’t that important and I think the offer we made him was outstanding. Clearly if he leaves it’s for more cash and that’s fair enough. Basically we’ve been conditioned by failure to expect it so what you have to ask yourself is do you want to take the challenge to change that or happily wallow in more of the same.

Lyon and his team have run the ruler over the list and have identified what we need and set us on a course to get there. That’s exactly what I’ve been crying out for so I’m all in and to me it makes perfect sense. We’re not burning down the house, we’re continuing to trade as well as draft and we’ve already been liked to more experienced players some of which you yourself want at the club like McRae.

Also how long have we been going on about no X factor, get stringer get Degoey get anyone. Well just quietly I really rate our recent draftees and whilst maybe their not the complete package they show a lot of promise and some interesting skills. Nas is on his way to being a super star who’s as silky as they come. Wilson gets from goal square to goal square better than anyone I’ve seen and can play, he also has an overhead game that will develop with a great leap. Shoenmaker has a boot on him that few can match and will break zones wide open. Pho and Hastie are both top shelf just need some time and so on, Caminiti is 20 playing as a key, Keeler looks a wild card, king is decent as he is but clearly playing injured and with low confidence in his body. That shoulder will take another summer to get some strength and confidence back, you can see how frustrated he is trying to make an impact. Get him fit and using his pace, leap, agility and he’ll worry any side he’s got X factor is spades imo.

Anyway I’d love to see those guys in their prime on the MCG because those attributes win flags. You also need grunt and hardness in the 22 hello Owens and Windhager are made to order and on it goes. I look at our list and all of a sudden you can see how if we get our gun mids and with some luck we’re in the hunt and not just to make the occasional final but to be right in the mix for an extended period. Also don’t forget that’s the point at which we’re meant to load up of free agents, trades etc. That’s what Lyon was brought in to do and that what I see, rose coloured glasses maybe but I’m all about doing the right things because eventually that’s what gets results.

Your argument stacks up with the exception of one part "with some luck"

 

[Miha]

Giddey to the Bulls. We should have been all over this, we need a key back or 5th tall

 

[Joffaboy]

So according to the last few posts we are after, Rayner, Sanders, and a few others.

To me we are obviously topping up for a tilt and every post I make from now on I will mention topping up.


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[littlecreatures]

But by all means lets throw Battle in there.

Owens has had more experience and training as a mid than Battle and is not where we would need him to be as a mid, and that was the point I was making.

Owens literally trains with the forward line, unless you’re aware of anything different.

To say he’s had more mid experience is a little misleading, he’s had 21 CBAs this year at 1.5 a game, most of which are ruck contests, yet averages a clearance a game (had as many as 4 a couple weeks ago without a CBA if my memory serves me correct).

 

[The Punter]

Owens literally trains with the forward line, unless you’re aware of anything different.

To say he’s had more mid experience is a little misleading, he’s had 21 CBAs this year at 1.5 a game, most of which are ruck contests, yet averages a clearance a game (had as many as 4 a couple weeks ago without a CBA if my memory serves me correct).

Has he had more mid experience than Josh Battle? I can't remember ever posting something on here so easy to understand and having so many different people misunderstand it in 18 years on the site.

 

[jimmytigs]

wondering if this freo/warner business is true could things change with andy brayshaw?probably prefer ldu,but if freo go to 1.5 plus with warner,im sure andy would be thinking he is in for a bit of a rise as well,how long is his current deal?guessing it doesnt go past the time he becomes a rfa or ufa

worth a closer look?

 

[gringo2011]

To me battle just isn’t that important and I think the offer we made him was outstanding. Clearly if he leaves it’s for more cash and that’s fair enough. Basically we’ve been conditioned by failure to expect it so what you have to ask yourself is do you want to take the challenge to change that or happily wallow in more of the same.

Lyon and his team have run the ruler over the list and have identified what we need and set us on a course to get there. That’s exactly what I’ve been crying out for so I’m all in and to me it makes perfect sense. We’re not burning down the house, we’re continuing to trade as well as draft and we’ve already been liked to more experienced players some of which you yourself want at the club like McRae.

Also how long have we been going on about no X factor, get stringer get Degoey get anyone. Well just quietly I really rate our recent draftees and whilst maybe their not the complete package they show a lot of promise and some interesting skills. Nas is on his way to being a super star who’s as silky as they come. Wilson gets from goal square to goal square better than anyone I’ve seen and can play, he also has an overhead game that will develop with a great leap. Shoenmaker has a boot on him that few can match and will break zones wide open. Pho and Hastie are both top shelf just need some time and so on, Caminiti is 20 playing as a key, Keeler looks a wild card, king is decent as he is but clearly playing injured and with low confidence in his body. That shoulder will take another summer to get some strength and confidence back, you can see how frustrated he is trying to make an impact. Get him fit and using his pace, leap, agility and he’ll worry any side he’s got X factor is spades imo.

Anyway I’d love to see those guys in their prime on the MCG because those attributes win flags. You also need grunt and hardness in the 22 hello Owens and Windhager are made to order and on it goes. I look at our list and all of a sudden you can see how if we get our gun mids and with some luck we’re in the hunt and not just to make the occasional final but to be right in the mix for an extended period. Also don’t forget that’s the point at which we’re meant to load up of free agents, trades etc. That’s what Lyon was brought in to do and that what I see, rose coloured glasses maybe but I’m all about doing the right things because eventually that’s what gets results.

I rate Battle way higher than some obviously. That backline is the best line in the club and being one of the few in mid aged bracket makes him a priority to me. Those kids will play in an uncompetitive side if they don't have any senior bodies and take longer to come on.

To me we lose Battle and replace him with Butts we have a much more suspect back 6 unless Schoenmaker comes on super fast and meets or exceeds expectation.

I'm saying our list is good enough to be competitive, but you know not all of those guys are going to make it to star level. If 2 end up being A graders we will have achieved more at the draft than we have in 20 years.

We need to be looking now and further ahead. Keep drafting and chasing free agents. There is no way that you can rebuild through the draft alone. It would take 20 years and is so compromised that you'll never catch other sides.

Selling one A grade player for one pick in an ordinary draft might pay off but just as likely to bust and be a backwards step.

If I'm a young guy who is asked to wait 5 to 10 years to see a challenge I'm going somewhere more dynamic. Being a bottom 4 side in rebuild mode makes it impossible to attract talent.

 

[gringo2011]

So according to the last few posts we are after, Rayner, Sanders, and a few others.

To me we are obviously topping up for a tilt and every post I make from now on I will mention topping up.


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Rayner is absolutely terrible.

 

[Premium]

Rayner is absolutely terrible.

What about Will Phillips , the media is saying he is out of there - is he any good and if he is we need to get him - at the right price but still keep this first round pick.

 

[CursingFijian]

Thank **** for that. Butts and Reeves helping Rory Loob suck up the extra cap money was looking like a very Saints type off-season.

Rory Lube might be right on point.

You should all come join me and support the Fiji rugby team for a year or two. After that backing the Saints won’t feel quite so bad.

 

[busso_mick]

Rory Lube might be right on point.

You should all come join me and support the Fiji rugby team for a year or two. After that backing the Saints won’t feel quite so bad.

Rory Lube has had more clubs than Rory McIlroy.

 

[Joffaboy]

Rayner is absolutely terrible.

Not when we are obviously topping up.

It is too early to top up and this strategy will end in disaster.
I hope Bassett is on to SoS and Allen and sack them immediately for topping up, as topping up means we think we are ready for a tilt.
If we try to top up it means another decade in the wilderness.
Rayner, Sanders, Phillips, Lube, Stengle all players that will not propel us to the next flag.

The strategy is obvious now considering the talk about these players coming to us.


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[The Punter]

Not when we are obviously topping up.

It is too early to top up and this strategy will end in disaster.
I hope Bassett is on to SoS and Allen and sack them immediately for topping up, as topping up means we think we are ready for a tilt.
If we try to top up it means another decade in the wilderness.
Rayner, Sanders, Phillips, Lube, Stengle all players that will not propel us to the next flag.

The strategy is obvious now considering the talk about these players coming to us.


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Sanders was drafted last year. I don't think he would be in the same boat as the others.

 

[Saintos The ITK]

I think we’re eyeing off a tilt.

 

[Saintos The ITK]

With the Melbourne Union side shutting down I’d be interested to know if there was any actual interest from Melbaneites. Did any of you ever follow or go and watch???

 

[gringo2011]

What about Will Phillips , the media is saying he is out of there - is he any good and if he is we need to get him - at the right price but still keep this first round pick.

He's a bit of a meat and potatoes mid but still has scope to be a good player. He suits a need. I like Lazzaro better but doubt they let him go. Lazarro was killing it at VFL level before going up but is getting really low numbers in the seniors.

 

[gringo2011]

With the Melbourne Union side shutting down I’d be interested to know if there was any actual interest from Melbaneites. Did any of you ever follow or go and watch???

Melbourne didn't even know we had a team. Union was the better game once but it fell off a cliff after the 90s. Only bogans followed league.

 

[gringo2011]

Not when we are obviously topping up.

It is too early to top up and this strategy will end in disaster.
I hope Bassett is on to SoS and Allen and sack them immediately for topping up, as topping up means we think we are ready for a tilt.
If we try to top up it means another decade in the wilderness.
Rayner, Sanders, Phillips, Lube, Stengle all players that will not propel us to the next flag.

The strategy is obvious now considering the talk about these players coming to us.


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If we don't take some mid career players we will fall off a cliff in a few years. You just like to be contrary. We need to keep drafting but we don't need bulk players, just high picked good ones and start topping for needs and bridging. Stengle is perfect. Phillips if cheap too. Flick guys that don't go anywhere. Clark, Dow, Bonner, Stocker types perform of get culled but need to sort through them.

 

[gringo2011]

Sanders was drafted last year. I don't think he would be in the same boat as the others.

Sanders will be a better player than most of this year's crop most likely. He was a top pick. That's not topping up. He's just being a moron for the sake of it. Going full Plugger66.

 

[Diehard Saint]

Wish I could be bothered looking through the Big Footy Saints board of 3-4 years ago when everyone was moaning about Battle being a gop forward/wingman that Ratts should leave to blossom in the backline

Not sure people were complaining about him being a poor forward.
Our complaints were that he was not a wingman and they never gave him a good chance to show what he had as a forward. He was a pretty good kick for goal early on if I recall correctly. I assume it was because he would have been a third tall but we already had Tim.

It was the being dumped on the wing that frustrated the majority of us.

 

[tomjoad]

Owens can't manage the centre/midfield craft thing and he's had some experience at 21 years old. Can't see Battle making it as an inside mid at any level when he'd only be starting at 25 years old.

Whenever he's gone in there, either as a makeshift ruck or whatever, he has done very well. It's admittedly a small sample size, but go back and have a look. I think you'll be surprised by what you see

 

[tomjoad]

With the Melbourne Union side shutting down I’d be interested to know if there was any actual interest from Melbaneites. Did any of you ever follow or go and watch???

What's this now!?
Are we talking about the 'Rebels'?

 

[gringo2011]

Not sure people were complaining about him being a poor forward.
Our complaints were that he was not a wingman and they never gave him a good chance to show what he had as a forward. He was a pretty good kick for goal early on if I recall correctly. I assume it was because he would have been a third tall but we already had Tim.

It was the being dumped on the wing that frustrated the majority of us.

Also a different kettle of fish comparing throwing a young inexperienced player into a whole lot of new roles and trying an experienced player in a new role.